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Posted: 6/9/2016 1:52:00 AM EDT
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Quoted:This has probably been covered at some point before, but I was always under the assumption the engraving HAD to be on the receiver. Yeah. extensively. But now you know. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 8:08:45 AM EDT
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It's been covered over and over and over again. Basically every single thread that discusses F1 builds and/or engraving.
Forget the NFA Handbook. Read the regulations themselves, and they say the exact same thing. 27 CFR 479.102 - How must firearms be identified? (a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must legibly identify the firearm as follows: (1) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and (2) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes: (i) The model, if such designation has been made; (ii) The caliber or gauge; (iii) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker; (iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the firearm; and (v) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134. For pistol-based SBRs, the pistol-slide has also been named as an acceptable location for everything other than the SN. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 11:02:47 AM EDT
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Sorry for the dupe of already discussed stuff. The main point I did not get over very well was I always thought the engraving of the name or trust had to be done on the same piece of metal as the serial #. Now I see that is not the case.
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Posted: 6/9/2016 11:07:22 AM EDT
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Sorry for the dupe of already discussed stuff. The main point I did not get over very well was I always thought the engraving of the name or trust had to be done on the same piece of metal as the serial #. Now I see that is not the case. Some factory firearms aren't even done on the same piece. Most shotguns have part of it on the receiver and part of it on the barrel. Handguns as well. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:34:37 PM EDT
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Still best to engrave the lower though.. Unless you want to engrave every upper for the lower with Trust/name and city state. Makes selling them off if you dont want it more difficult.
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Posted: 6/9/2016 2:38:16 PM EDT
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Still best to engrave the lower though.. Unless you want to engrave every upper for the lower with Trust/name and city state. Makes selling them off if you dont want it more difficult. I don't think best is the proper word. I've never swapped an upper. I simply build another lower. Although, I'd probably sell an upper before I ever sold a lower. |
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Posted: 6/10/2016 9:06:14 AM EDT
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I don't think best is the proper word. I've never swapped an upper. I simply build another lower. Although, I'd probably sell an upper before I ever sold a lower. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Still best to engrave the lower though.. Unless you want to engrave every upper for the lower with Trust/name and city state. Makes selling them off if you dont want it more difficult. I don't think best is the proper word. I've never swapped an upper. I simply build another lower. Although, I'd probably sell an upper before I ever sold a lower. I agree that "best" is a relative term. I personally don't see the problem with engraving your trust name on the receiver. It's a ~$100 part and after paying a $200 tax stamp, who sells them? Maybe if it's some uber rare lower before you SBR'ed it but I personally wouldn't SBR a lower like that for that very reason. If you are really that worried about resale, then I would get a factory SBR so none of that will be an issue. The one I do have an issue with is the caliber marking. A lot of us get lowers with no specific caliber marking for a reason. That's where I think engraving the upper or barrel makes sense and really, the engraving requirement is for when the SBR is first built so who's to say that 1 week after you built your complaint SBR (with caliber engraved on the barrel) you didn't replace that barrel or upper with an unmarked one? |
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Posted: 6/10/2016 9:34:17 AM EDT
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I agree that "best" is a relative term. I personally don't see the problem with engraving your trust name on the receiver. It's a ~$100 part and after paying a $200 tax stamp, who sells them? Maybe if it's some uber rare lower before you SBR'ed it but I personally wouldn't SBR a lower like that for that very reason. If you are really that worried about resale, then I would get a factory SBR so none of that will be an issue. The one I do have an issue with is the caliber marking. A lot of us get lowers with no specific caliber marking for a reason. That's were It think engraving the upper or barrel makes sense and really, the engraving requirement is for when the SBR is first built so who's to say that 1 week after you built your complaint SBR (with caliber engraved on the barrel) you didn't replace that barrel or upper with an unmarked one? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Still best to engrave the lower though.. Unless you want to engrave every upper for the lower with Trust/name and city state. Makes selling them off if you dont want it more difficult. I don't think best is the proper word. I've never swapped an upper. I simply build another lower. Although, I'd probably sell an upper before I ever sold a lower. I agree that "best" is a relative term. I personally don't see the problem with engraving your trust name on the receiver. It's a ~$100 part and after paying a $200 tax stamp, who sells them? Maybe if it's some uber rare lower before you SBR'ed it but I personally wouldn't SBR a lower like that for that very reason. If you are really that worried about resale, then I would get a factory SBR so none of that will be an issue. The one I do have an issue with is the caliber marking. A lot of us get lowers with no specific caliber marking for a reason. That's were It think engraving the upper or barrel makes sense and really, the engraving requirement is for when the SBR is first built so who's to say that 1 week after you built your complaint SBR (with caliber engraved on the barrel) you didn't replace that barrel or upper with an unmarked one? I would not want to be the test case for the ATF if caught with an SBR with no caliber engraved on it. 
Also, what is the legality of building say, a 5.56 SBR, with caliber on the barrel, then using it with a 300 BLK barrel later? You DID specify 5.56 on the ATF form 1! Does the lower ALWAYS have to carry a 5.56 barrel? |
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Posted: 6/10/2016 11:19:31 AM EDT
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Still best to engrave the lower though.. Unless you want to engrave every upper for the lower with Trust/name and city state. Makes selling them off if you dont want it more difficult. This gets thrown around all the time and is simply not true. Engraving is required at the time of making. After the SBR is made and engraved, the changes can be made with no engraving required. If a new SBR is not made (no new F1 required) no engraving is required. The engraving requirement is on the original maker. Do you suppose if you had a factory SBR where the manf engraved a barrel, and you put a different upper on it, that you would be required to get the engraving redone on the new upper? |
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Posted: 6/10/2016 11:38:09 AM EDT
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Do you suppose if you had a factory SBR where the manf engraved a barrel, and you put a different upper on it, that you would be required to get the engraving redone on the new upper? Uh, yes you would be required to do that. Because unlike Title 1 firearms, it is a felony to remove required markings from a Title 2 firearm. |
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Posted: 6/10/2016 1:06:31 PM EDT
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I would not want to be the test case for the ATF if caught with an SBR with no caliber engraved on it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I would not want to be the test case for the ATF if caught with an SBR with no caliber engraved on it. While I somewhat agree, that seems like a pretty far fetched possibility but you are right in that, I would not want to be the test case for that theory. Quoted:
Also, what is the legality of building say, a 5.56 SBR, with caliber on the barrel, then using it with a 300 BLK barrel later? You DID specify 5.56 on the ATF form 1! Does the lower ALWAYS have to carry a 5.56 barrel? That is perfectly legal and goes to my point above. Once the form1 has been approved and the rifle is built as stated in the paper work, it is perfectly legal to change it into any other config that you want without having it re-engraved, or having to resubmit anything. You don't even have to inform the BATF. |
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Posted: 6/10/2016 6:16:10 PM EDT
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This gets thrown around all the time and is simply not true. Engraving is required at the time of making. After the SBR is made and engraved, the changes can be made with no engraving required. If a new SBR is not made (no new F1 required) no engraving is required. The engraving requirement is on the original maker. Do you suppose if you had a factory SBR where the manf engraved a barrel, and you put a different upper on it, that you would be required to get the engraving redone on the new upper? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Still best to engrave the lower though.. Unless you want to engrave every upper for the lower with Trust/name and city state. Makes selling them off if you dont want it more difficult. This gets thrown around all the time and is simply not true. Engraving is required at the time of making. After the SBR is made and engraved, the changes can be made with no engraving required. If a new SBR is not made (no new F1 required) no engraving is required. The engraving requirement is on the original maker. Do you suppose if you had a factory SBR where the manf engraved a barrel, and you put a different upper on it, that you would be required to get the engraving redone on the new upper? I know if you buy an SBR, then no ingraving is required.. Its already registered as such with the factory maker and S number on the lower. And the upper can be changed with no actions required. BUT if you make a SBR from parts, once you register it, and engrave with your Trust name and city state on the upper reciever, youre saying that you can switch the upper and not have the manufactures (you) trust/name and City, State any longer? Thats ok? |
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Posted: 6/10/2016 9:37:20 PM EDT
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...and I'm still unclear as to why adding a little engraving to a lower is so undesirable.....
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Posted: 6/11/2016 7:32:46 AM EDT
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...and I'm still unclear as to why adding a little engraving to a lower is so undesirable..... Same here. It already has the title 1 manufacturers info and logo on it. What is the big deal with adding a little more. |
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Posted: 6/13/2016 12:03:03 PM EDT
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Uh, yes you would be required to do that. Because unlike Title 1 firearms, it is a felony to remove required markings from a Title 2 firearm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you suppose if you had a factory SBR where the manf engraved a barrel, and you put a different upper on it, that you would be required to get the engraving redone on the new upper? Uh, yes you would be required to do that. Because unlike Title 1 firearms, it is a felony to remove required markings from a Title 2 firearm. I thought that was just serial #, and other restrictions just for licensed entities? |
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Posted: 6/13/2016 9:15:10 PM EDT
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I thought that was just serial #, and other restrictions just for licensed entities? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you suppose if you had a factory SBR where the manf engraved a barrel, and you put a different upper on it, that you would be required to get the engraving redone on the new upper? Uh, yes you would be required to do that. Because unlike Title 1 firearms, it is a felony to remove required markings from a Title 2 firearm. I thought that was just serial #, and other restrictions just for licensed entities? All the information, not just serial number, is required on a Title 2 firearm, which includes the maker's name and city/state. |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 4:20:41 PM EDT
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So, if I'm understanding you gentlemen correctly, (and interpreting the statute quoted above), one should be good to go with having the maker's name and city/state engraved on a lower that is marked by the manufacturer as multi-caliber....as long as the caliber is marked on the upper/barrel currently attached to the registered lower? |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 5:05:52 PM EDT
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So, if I'm understanding you gentlemen correctly, (and interpreting the statute quoted above), one should be good to go with having the maker's name and city/state engraved on a lower that is marked by the manufacturer as multi-caliber....as long as the caliber is marked on the upper/barrel currently attached to the registered lower? The caliber can be on the frame, receiver, barrel or pistol slide (if applicable). Doesn't have to be in the same location as any of the other markings. |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 8:29:52 PM EDT
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So, if I'm understanding you gentlemen correctly, (and interpreting the statute quoted above), one should be good to go with having the maker's name and city/state engraved on a lower that is marked by the manufacturer as multi-caliber....as long as the caliber is marked on the upper/barrel currently attached to the registered lower? I believe you are correct. The engraving depth requirements are specific to the serial number, so I believe that laser engraving of the caliber on a barrel is OK. I hope/expect that if this has been found to be false, that I'll be corrected shortly.
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Posted: 7/22/2016 9:23:46 PM EDT
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The engraving depth requirements are specific to the serial number, so I believe that laser engraving of the caliber on a barrel is OK. I hope/expect that if this has been found to be false, that I'll be corrected shortly. Nope. 
All required engraving has the same .003" minimum depth requirement...which isn't much more than a standard sheet of paper. The SN has the additional requirement of 1/16" minimum height. But you're right in that engraving of everything except the SN is allowable on the barrel. |
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Posted: 7/23/2016 9:16:26 AM EDT
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Nope.
All required engraving has the same .003" minimum depth requirement...which isn't much more than a standard sheet of paper. The SN has the additional requirement of 1/16" minimum height. But you're right in that engraving of everything except the SN is allowable on the barrel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The engraving depth requirements are specific to the serial number, so I believe that laser engraving of the caliber on a barrel is OK. I hope/expect that if this has been found to be false, that I'll be corrected shortly. Nope.
All required engraving has the same .003" minimum depth requirement...which isn't much more than a standard sheet of paper. The SN has the additional requirement of 1/16" minimum height. But you're right in that engraving of everything except the SN is allowable on the barrel. Well there you go. And the (which I just looked up) ATF Guidebook includes the depth requirement for all the information, making this subject much less confusing. The only thing I don't like about the Guidebook is that there is no version number or effective date. The contents could change and it wouldn't be possible to tell without reading the whole thing. |
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Posted: 7/23/2016 10:12:37 AM EDT
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And the (which I just looked up) ATF Guidebook includes the depth requirement for all the information, making this subject much less confusing. The only thing I don't like about the Guidebook is that there is no version number or effective date. The contents could change and it wouldn't be possible to tell without reading the whole thing. Forget the Guidebook...the regulation itself is very clear: 27 CFR 479.102 (1) is the SN, and mentions both height and depth (and locations) (2) is the other info, including the list of items, and only has a depth The ATF Ruling 2013-3 that's been covered here also spells it out. |
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Posted: 7/23/2016 10:32:15 AM EDT
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Engraving the maker's name (your Trust or individual name) and state soley on the barrel of a SBR and then switching out uppers is just asking for trouble in my opinion.
Assuming you didn't have the original (as approved) upper in close proximity, you'd have a complete SBR with no proof that you are in compliance with BATFE regulations. Of course (as many do), you could keep a PDF copy of your approved Form 1 on your phone, but you still would be digging yourself out of a situation in order to prove innocence if an agent ever decided to take a "closer look". Engraving the lower affords SBR owners with the most flexibly in how they choose to set it up. |
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Posted: 7/23/2016 10:38:08 AM EDT
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Engraving the maker's name (your Trust or individual name) and state soley on the barrel of a SBR and then switching out uppers is just asking for trouble in my opinion. Assuming you didn't have the original (as approved) upper in close proximity, you'd have a complete SBR with no proof that you are in compliance with BATFE regulations. Of course (as many do), you could keep a PDF copy of your approved Form 1 on your phone, but you still would be digging yourself out of a situation in order to prove innocence if an agent ever decided to take a "closer look". Engraving the lower affords SBR owners with the most flexibly in how they choose to set it up. Legal to engrave the barrel, just have to engrave every SBR upper's barrel that you want to use on that lower. How I did it on my HK 416 clone, but that's the only upper that I am ever going to put on it, and I specifically didn't want to engrave the lower. |
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Posted: 7/23/2016 10:58:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Legal to engrave the barrel, just have to engrave every SBR upper's barrel that you want to use on that lower. How I did it on my HK 416 clone, but that's the only upper that I am ever going to put on it, and I specifically didn't want to engrave the lower. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Engraving the maker's name (your Trust or individual name) and state soley on the barrel of a SBR and then switching out uppers is just asking for trouble in my opinion. Assuming you didn't have the original (as approved) upper in close proximity, you'd have a complete SBR with no proof that you are in compliance with BATFE regulations. Of course (as many do), you could keep a PDF copy of your approved Form 1 on your phone, but you still would be digging yourself out of a situation in order to prove innocence if an agent ever decided to take a "closer look". Engraving the lower affords SBR owners with the most flexibly in how they choose to set it up. Legal to engrave the barrel, just have to engrave every SBR upper's barrel that you want to use on that lower. How I did it on my HK 416 clone, but that's the only upper that I am ever going to put on it, and I specifically didn't want to engrave the lower. Agreed, and I would probably do the same in your shoes. |
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Posted: 7/24/2016 12:50:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Engraving the maker's name (your Trust or individual name) and state soley on the barrel of a SBR and then switching out uppers is just asking for trouble in my opinion. Assuming you didn't have the original (as approved) upper in close proximity, you'd have a complete SBR with no proof that you are in compliance with BATFE regulations. Of course (as many do), you could keep a PDF copy of your approved Form 1 on your phone, but you still would be digging yourself out of a situation in order to prove innocence if an agent ever decided to take a "closer look". Engraving the lower affords SBR owners with the most flexibly in how they choose to set it up. My point in asking the question about engraving only the caliber on the upper was to find out if having the Maker/City,State on the lower - and the caliber on the barrel allowing would allow one to change uppers (calibers) and still be legal. The assembled SBR would have all the required information per statute. Maker, City/State and caliber.  |
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Posted: 7/24/2016 8:55:18 AM EDT
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My point in asking the question about engraving only the caliber on the upper was to find out if having the Maker/City,State on the lower - and the caliber on the barrel allowing would allow one to change uppers (calibers) and still be legal. The assembled SBR would have all the required information per statute. Maker, City/State and caliber. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Engraving the maker's name (your Trust or individual name) and state soley on the barrel of a SBR and then switching out uppers is just asking for trouble in my opinion. Assuming you didn't have the original (as approved) upper in close proximity, you'd have a complete SBR with no proof that you are in compliance with BATFE regulations. Of course (as many do), you could keep a PDF copy of your approved Form 1 on your phone, but you still would be digging yourself out of a situation in order to prove innocence if an agent ever decided to take a "closer look". Engraving the lower affords SBR owners with the most flexibly in how they choose to set it up. My point in asking the question about engraving only the caliber on the upper was to find out if having the Maker/City,State on the lower - and the caliber on the barrel allowing would allow one to change uppers (calibers) and still be legal. The assembled SBR would have all the required information per statute. Maker, City/State and caliber. As long as ALL of the required information is there, you can change uppers whenever you want. Once that lower has a stamp, you can use ANY upper on it. |
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Posted: 7/24/2016 9:38:21 AM EDT
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There are a number if things I don't do in life.
1. I don't fill out trip tickets. 2. I don't get dog licenses. 3. I don't engrave form 1's. |
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Posted: 7/24/2016 9:44:15 AM EDT
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I would not want to be the test case for the ATF if caught with an SBR with no caliber engraved on it.
Also, what is the legality of building say, a 5.56 SBR, with caliber on the barrel, then using it with a 300 BLK barrel later? You DID specify 5.56 on the ATF form 1! Does the lower ALWAYS have to carry a 5.56 barrel? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Still best to engrave the lower though.. Unless you want to engrave every upper for the lower with Trust/name and city state. Makes selling them off if you dont want it more difficult. I don't think best is the proper word. I've never swapped an upper. I simply build another lower. Although, I'd probably sell an upper before I ever sold a lower. I agree that "best" is a relative term. I personally don't see the problem with engraving your trust name on the receiver. It's a ~$100 part and after paying a $200 tax stamp, who sells them? Maybe if it's some uber rare lower before you SBR'ed it but I personally wouldn't SBR a lower like that for that very reason. If you are really that worried about resale, then I would get a factory SBR so none of that will be an issue. The one I do have an issue with is the caliber marking. A lot of us get lowers with no specific caliber marking for a reason. That's were It think engraving the upper or barrel makes sense and really, the engraving requirement is for when the SBR is first built so who's to say that 1 week after you built your complaint SBR (with caliber engraved on the barrel) you didn't replace that barrel or upper with an unmarked one? I would not want to be the test case for the ATF if caught with an SBR with no caliber engraved on it.
Also, what is the legality of building say, a 5.56 SBR, with caliber on the barrel, then using it with a 300 BLK barrel later? You DID specify 5.56 on the ATF form 1! Does the lower ALWAYS have to carry a 5.56 barrel? I also don't want to get struck by lightning but guess who goes out when it looks like rain. The number of deaths by lightning strike per year are an order of magnitude greater then engraving violations, 922r, etc. Lighting is the real issue most of you guys need to worry about. |
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Posted: 7/24/2016 6:34:05 PM EDT
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Legal to engrave the barrel, just have to engrave every SBR upper's barrel that you want to use on that lower. How I did it on my HK 416 clone, but that's the only upper that I am ever going to put on it, and I specifically didn't want to engrave the lower. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Engraving the maker's name (your Trust or individual name) and state soley on the barrel of a SBR and then switching out uppers is just asking for trouble in my opinion. Assuming you didn't have the original (as approved) upper in close proximity, you'd have a complete SBR with no proof that you are in compliance with BATFE regulations. Of course (as many do), you could keep a PDF copy of your approved Form 1 on your phone, but you still would be digging yourself out of a situation in order to prove innocence if an agent ever decided to take a "closer look". Engraving the lower affords SBR owners with the most flexibly in how they choose to set it up. Legal to engrave the barrel, just have to engrave every SBR upper's barrel that you want to use on that lower. How I did it on my HK 416 clone, but that's the only upper that I am ever going to put on it, and I specifically didn't want to engrave the lower. It also has to be visible, so having a 4" barrel within a 5" rail, doesn't really help to have the caliber markings on the barrel. |
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Posted: 7/24/2016 7:23:29 PM EDT
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It also has to be visible, so having a 4" barrel within a 5" rail, doesn't really help to have the caliber markings on the barrel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Engraving the maker's name (your Trust or individual name) and state soley on the barrel of a SBR and then switching out uppers is just asking for trouble in my opinion. Assuming you didn't have the original (as approved) upper in close proximity, you'd have a complete SBR with no proof that you are in compliance with BATFE regulations. Of course (as many do), you could keep a PDF copy of your approved Form 1 on your phone, but you still would be digging yourself out of a situation in order to prove innocence if an agent ever decided to take a "closer look". Engraving the lower affords SBR owners with the most flexibly in how they choose to set it up. Legal to engrave the barrel, just have to engrave every SBR upper's barrel that you want to use on that lower. How I did it on my HK 416 clone, but that's the only upper that I am ever going to put on it, and I specifically didn't want to engrave the lower. It also has to be visible, so having a 4" barrel within a 5" rail, doesn't really help to have the caliber markings on the barrel. Mine is engraved in-line with vent holes in the handguard, so it can be seen through the handguard. Technically, it's engraved. I really could care less. |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 3:52:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would not want to be the test case for the ATF if caught with an SBR with no caliber engraved on it. Also, what is the legality of building say, a 5.56 SBR, with caliber on the barrel, then using it with a 300 BLK barrel later? You DID specify 5.56 on the ATF form 1! Does the lower ALWAYS have to carry a 5.56 barrel? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Still best to engrave the lower though.. Unless you want to engrave every upper for the lower with Trust/name and city state. Makes selling them off if you dont want it more difficult. I don't think best is the proper word. I've never swapped an upper. I simply build another lower. Although, I'd probably sell an upper before I ever sold a lower. I agree that "best" is a relative term. I personally don't see the problem with engraving your trust name on the receiver. It's a ~$100 part and after paying a $200 tax stamp, who sells them? Maybe if it's some uber rare lower before you SBR'ed it but I personally wouldn't SBR a lower like that for that very reason. If you are really that worried about resale, then I would get a factory SBR so none of that will be an issue. The one I do have an issue with is the caliber marking. A lot of us get lowers with no specific caliber marking for a reason. That's were It think engraving the upper or barrel makes sense and really, the engraving requirement is for when the SBR is first built so who's to say that 1 week after you built your complaint SBR (with caliber engraved on the barrel) you didn't replace that barrel or upper with an unmarked one? I would not want to be the test case for the ATF if caught with an SBR with no caliber engraved on it. Also, what is the legality of building say, a 5.56 SBR, with caliber on the barrel, then using it with a 300 BLK barrel later? You DID specify 5.56 on the ATF form 1! Does the lower ALWAYS have to carry a 5.56 barrel? Of course, I've never seen an AR-15 barrel that doesn't have the caliber stamped on it... They may exist, but I've never seen one... |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 4:38:53 PM EDT
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Of course, I've never seen an AR-15 barrel that doesn't have the caliber stamped on it... They may exist, but I've never seen one... Probably more of a case of losing markings when cutting down a barrel. That's the only time it happened to me...cutting a 16" Bison 6.8 to 12" and lost the markings. |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 5:34:49 PM EDT
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Probably more of a case of losing markings when cutting down a barrel. That's the only time it happened to me...cutting a 16" Bison 6.8 to 12" and lost the markings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Of course, I've never seen an AR-15 barrel that doesn't have the caliber stamped on it... They may exist, but I've never seen one... Probably more of a case of losing markings when cutting down a barrel. That's the only time it happened to me...cutting a 16" Bison 6.8 to 12" and lost the markings. Some barrels' markings are more useful than others. For example, RRA's old system had the caliber, chamber, rifling twist and barrel material marked on the barrel. --- Over the chamber. --- In a 3-character code. Mine said "N 9 A", which stands for "NATO Chamber" (obviously 5.56mm NATO), 1:9 twist, alloy (versus stainless or chrome lined) barrel. So there are barrels out there that are "marked," but not in a way that's clear, obvious, and unambiguous. And as I implied earlier, a LOT of new barrels are laser etched, not stamped, with the usual information. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 7:20:54 PM EDT
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I think the funniest for me was realizing that my CMMG MK9 9mm lower doesn't have any caliber markings. Like I could use it for anything else...
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