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Posted: 5/24/2015 2:41:51 PM EDT
I have a Trust and have purchased two suppressors and currently awaiting the form 4's to be processed and receive my Stamp Taxes for them.
I have no experience with what to do for a SBR build. Do I need to file a form 1 online and once that is approved have my FFL file a form 4 to get the tax stamp or am I completely wrong? 
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Posted: 5/24/2015 2:46:52 PM EDT
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You would file a form 1 and once approved build the gun. You are the manufacturer hence the form 1.
Form 4 is for already built nfa item transfers. Such as a factory sbr. Read the FAQ about engraving and how to fill out an eform. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 2:54:03 PM EDT
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You would file a form 1 and once approved build the gun. You are the manufacturer hence the form 1. Form 4 is for already built nfa item transfers. Such as a factory sbr. Read the FAQ about engraving and how to fill out an eform. So...if I register a stripped lower on a form 1 and then build a SBR (purchase a complete upper), I do not need a Tax Stamp for it? Or does the form 1 produce the Tax Stamp? |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 3:01:58 PM EDT
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The approved Form 1 has the tax stamp on it. You use a Form 4 to transfer an existing NFA firearm, and a Form 1 to make a new one. By registering your lower as an SBR, you are "making" (not "manufacturing") an NFA firearm, hence you will use a Form 1. You will need to prepare the Form 1 for a specific configuration (caliber, barrel length, overall length (with stock extended), etc.), and build it initially in that configuration. You can then freely change uppers to whatever other caliber and/or barrel length (longer or shorter than specified on the Form 1) you wish.
You'll also need to engrave the lower with your trust name and the city/state where you're going to assemble it, before you assemble it. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 3:03:46 PM EDT
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So...if I register a stripped lower on a form 1 and then build a SBR (purchase a complete upper), I do not need a Tax Stamp for it? Or does the form 1 produce the Tax Stamp? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You would file a form 1 and once approved build the gun. You are the manufacturer hence the form 1. Form 4 is for already built nfa item transfers. Such as a factory sbr. Read the FAQ about engraving and how to fill out an eform. So...if I register a stripped lower on a form 1 and then build a SBR (purchase a complete upper), I do not need a Tax Stamp for it? Or does the form 1 produce the Tax Stamp? Form 1 produces the tax stamp. A form 1 gives you the right to manufacture an nfa item. If you efile once approved you will receive the stamp in a pdf form. You also have to engrave the lower. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 3:04:02 PM EDT
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Look at the FAQ for the answer.
Form 1 is sent in with your $200 for the stamp. A few months later you get approval with the stamp you paid for. Engrave the lower. Then build your SBR (put a short barrel on it) |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 3:06:28 PM EDT
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The approved Form 1 has the tax stamp on it. You use a Form 4 to transfer an existing NFA firearm, and a Form 1 to make a new one. By registering your lower as an SBR, you are "making" (not "manufacturing") an NFA firearm, hence you will use a Form 1. You will need to prepare the Form 1 for a specific configuration (caliber, barrel length, overall length (with stock extended), etc.), and build it initially in that configuration. You can then freely change uppers to whatever other caliber and/or barrel length (longer or shorter than specified on the Form 1) you wish. You'll also need to engrave the lower with your trust name and the city/state where you're going to assemble it, before you assemble it. Excellent....and by the term "build" above I am assuming a purchased complete upper qualifies....yes? As for the engraving....must this be done professionally or will a dremel do as long as it is very legible? Now....I don't believe I would go the dremel route because I cant even write so that I can even read it....but just curious.
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Posted: 5/24/2015 3:09:09 PM EDT
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Excellent....and by the term "build" above I am assuming a purchased complete upper qualifies....yes? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The approved Form 1 has the tax stamp on it. You use a Form 4 to transfer an existing NFA firearm, and a Form 1 to make a new one. By registering your lower as an SBR, you are "making" (not "manufacturing") an NFA firearm, hence you will use a Form 1. You will need to prepare the Form 1 for a specific configuration (caliber, barrel length, overall length (with stock extended), etc.), and build it initially in that configuration. You can then freely change uppers to whatever other caliber and/or barrel length (longer or shorter than specified on the Form 1) you wish. You'll also need to engrave the lower with your trust name and the city/state where you're going to assemble it, before you assemble it. Excellent....and by the term "build" above I am assuming a purchased complete upper qualifies....yes? Yes doesn't matter if you buy the upper complete or piece it together. This has nothing to do with the legal process. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 3:10:46 PM EDT
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Yes doesn't matter if you buy the upper complete or piece it together. This has nothing to do with the legal process. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The approved Form 1 has the tax stamp on it. You use a Form 4 to transfer an existing NFA firearm, and a Form 1 to make a new one. By registering your lower as an SBR, you are "making" (not "manufacturing") an NFA firearm, hence you will use a Form 1. You will need to prepare the Form 1 for a specific configuration (caliber, barrel length, overall length (with stock extended), etc.), and build it initially in that configuration. You can then freely change uppers to whatever other caliber and/or barrel length (longer or shorter than specified on the Form 1) you wish. You'll also need to engrave the lower with your trust name and the city/state where you're going to assemble it, before you assemble it. Excellent....and by the term "build" above I am assuming a purchased complete upper qualifies....yes? Yes doesn't matter if you buy the upper complete or piece it together. This has nothing to do with the legal process. Great....thanx for the excellent information guys. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 3:13:15 PM EDT
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Excellent....and by the term "build" above I am assuming a purchased complete upper qualifies....yes? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The approved Form 1 has the tax stamp on it. You use a Form 4 to transfer an existing NFA firearm, and a Form 1 to make a new one. By registering your lower as an SBR, you are "making" (not "manufacturing") an NFA firearm, hence you will use a Form 1. You will need to prepare the Form 1 for a specific configuration (caliber, barrel length, overall length (with stock extended), etc.), and build it initially in that configuration. You can then freely change uppers to whatever other caliber and/or barrel length (longer or shorter than specified on the Form 1) you wish. You'll also need to engrave the lower with your trust name and the city/state where you're going to assemble it, before you assemble it. Excellent....and by the term "build" above I am assuming a purchased complete upper qualifies....yes? Yes. In the mean time you can configure as a pistol with a pistol buffer tube while you wait for your form to come back with the stamp. I like doing it this way because you can go between a pistol, and a rifle or SBR if it was constructed as a pistol first. If you intend on taking it out of state this reduces hassle if you reconfigure it as a pistol.. Taking a SBR out of state requires another form, but a pistol does not. Having it as a pistol first also helps with determining your length you will need to put on your form. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 3:15:03 PM EDT
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I would also suggest getting your lower engraved before you file. Reason is if the engraving information gets messed up or lower gets lost in shipping.
It would suck to have a lost receiver or ugly engraving on a nfa item. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 3:25:32 PM EDT
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Yes. In the mean time you can configure as a pistol with a pistol buffer tube while you wait for your form to come back with the stamp. I like doing it this way because you can go between a pistol, and a rifle or SBR if it was constructed as a pistol first. If you intend on taking it out of state this reduces hassle if you reconfigure it as a pistol.. Taking a SBR out of state requires another form, but a pistol does not. Having it as a pistol first also helps with determining your length you will need to put on your form. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The approved Form 1 has the tax stamp on it. You use a Form 4 to transfer an existing NFA firearm, and a Form 1 to make a new one. By registering your lower as an SBR, you are "making" (not "manufacturing") an NFA firearm, hence you will use a Form 1. You will need to prepare the Form 1 for a specific configuration (caliber, barrel length, overall length (with stock extended), etc.), and build it initially in that configuration. You can then freely change uppers to whatever other caliber and/or barrel length (longer or shorter than specified on the Form 1) you wish. You'll also need to engrave the lower with your trust name and the city/state where you're going to assemble it, before you assemble it. Excellent....and by the term "build" above I am assuming a purchased complete upper qualifies....yes? Yes. In the mean time you can configure as a pistol with a pistol buffer tube while you wait for your form to come back with the stamp. I like doing it this way because you can go between a pistol, and a rifle or SBR if it was constructed as a pistol first. If you intend on taking it out of state this reduces hassle if you reconfigure it as a pistol.. Taking a SBR out of state requires another form, but a pistol does not. Having it as a pistol first also helps with determining your length you will need to put on your form. So...if I configure as a pistol while waiting for the form 1 to be approved, I can take it to the range and shoot? |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 3:25:45 PM EDT
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What is everyone's favorite brand of lower for turning into a registered SBR?
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Posted: 5/24/2015 3:28:19 PM EDT
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What is everyone's favorite brand of lower for turning into a registered SBR? Mine is on a spikes because that's what I had laying around. I personally don't see the need for spending extra on billet. Don't get me wrong there are some awesome looking billet lowers. So any forged with a roll mark I don't hate is fine by me. If I could pick anything without coat being involved. Mine would be either Mega, Larue 2A armament or AXTS |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 3:30:56 PM EDT
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What is everyone's favorite brand of lower for turning into a registered SBR? Mine will be on a pre ban since I live in CT. Either a Eagle Arms or Essential Arms most likely. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 3:36:47 PM EDT
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So...if I configure as a pistol while waiting for the form 1 to be approved, I can take it to the range and shoot? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The approved Form 1 has the tax stamp on it. You use a Form 4 to transfer an existing NFA firearm, and a Form 1 to make a new one. By registering your lower as an SBR, you are "making" (not "manufacturing") an NFA firearm, hence you will use a Form 1. You will need to prepare the Form 1 for a specific configuration (caliber, barrel length, overall length (with stock extended), etc.), and build it initially in that configuration. You can then freely change uppers to whatever other caliber and/or barrel length (longer or shorter than specified on the Form 1) you wish. You'll also need to engrave the lower with your trust name and the city/state where you're going to assemble it, before you assemble it. Excellent....and by the term "build" above I am assuming a purchased complete upper qualifies....yes? Yes. In the mean time you can configure as a pistol with a pistol buffer tube while you wait for your form to come back with the stamp. I like doing it this way because you can go between a pistol, and a rifle or SBR if it was constructed as a pistol first. If you intend on taking it out of state this reduces hassle if you reconfigure it as a pistol.. Taking a SBR out of state requires another form, but a pistol does not. Having it as a pistol first also helps with determining your length you will need to put on your form. So...if I configure as a pistol while waiting for the form 1 to be approved, I can take it to the range and shoot? Yup, as a pistol it is not a controlled firearm. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 3:36:52 PM EDT
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Mine will be on a pre ban since I live in CT. Either a Eagle Arms or Essential Arms most likely. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is everyone's favorite brand of lower for turning into a registered SBR? Mine will be on a pre ban since I live in CT. Either a Eagle Arms or Essential Arms most likely. Explain nfa law in conn to me. Can you only sbr a pre ban? Does the pre ban have paperwork showing its pre ban? Just curious as to how it works. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 6:11:24 PM EDT
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Form 1 produces the tax stamp. A form 1 gives you the right to manufacture an nfa item. If you efile once approved you will receive the stamp in a pdf form. You also have to engrave the lower. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You would file a form 1 and once approved build the gun. You are the manufacturer hence the form 1. Form 4 is for already built nfa item transfers. Such as a factory sbr. Read the FAQ about engraving and how to fill out an eform. So...if I register a stripped lower on a form 1 and then build a SBR (purchase a complete upper), I do not need a Tax Stamp for it? Or does the form 1 produce the Tax Stamp? Form 1 produces the tax stamp. A form 1 gives you the right to manufacture an nfa item. If you efile once approved you will receive the stamp in a pdf form. You also have to engrave the lower. You are a "maker", not a "manufacturer". There is a difference. A maker is unlicensed and files a Form 1 and cannot make the SBR until the Form 1 is approved. A manufacturer is licensed and files a Form 2 notifying ATF that the SBR has been made (no approval necessary). |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 6:53:58 PM EDT
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You are a "maker", not a "manufacturer". There is a difference. A maker is unlicensed and files a Form 1 and cannot make the SBR until the Form 1 is approved. A manufacturer is licensed and files a Form 2 notifying ATF that the SBR has been made (no approval necessary). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You would file a form 1 and once approved build the gun. You are the manufacturer hence the form 1. Form 4 is for already built nfa item transfers. Such as a factory sbr. Read the FAQ about engraving and how to fill out an eform. So...if I register a stripped lower on a form 1 and then build a SBR (purchase a complete upper), I do not need a Tax Stamp for it? Or does the form 1 produce the Tax Stamp? Form 1 produces the tax stamp. A form 1 gives you the right to manufacture an nfa item. If you efile once approved you will receive the stamp in a pdf form. You also have to engrave the lower. You are a "maker", not a "manufacturer". There is a difference. A maker is unlicensed and files a Form 1 and cannot make the SBR until the Form 1 is approved. A manufacturer is licensed and files a Form 2 notifying ATF that the SBR has been made (no approval necessary). Yeah I meant to put make. I know the atf separates these two words even though they are synonyms. Didn't mean for it to be worded that way. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 8:14:53 PM EDT
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What is everyone's favorite brand of lower for turning into a registered SBR? CMT tactical billet lower. |
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