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Posted: 10/25/2014 11:07:37 PM EDT
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So are you saying you want to replace your registered lower for a different lower? If that is correct then that means a different serial # which would require another form 1. Correct me if that's not what you are wanting to do.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 11:14:59 PM EDT
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So are you saying you want to replace your registered lower for a different lower? If that is correct then that means a different serial # which would require another form 1. Correct me if that's not what you are wanting to do. Yes...I want to replace my existing lower for a new one with a different serial number. Why can't I just inform the BATF of the new make and serial number? |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 11:17:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes...I want to replace my existing lower for a new one with a different serial number. Why can't I just inform the BATF of the new make and serial number? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So are you saying you want to replace your registered lower for a different lower? If that is correct then that means a different serial # which would require another form 1. Correct me if that's not what you are wanting to do. Yes...I want to replace my existing lower for a new one with a different serial number. Why can't I just inform the BATF of the new make and serial number? Because that's an entirely new firearm/serial number. You would have to do another Form 1...unfortunately you can't do a 2 for 1 deal... |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 11:19:28 PM EDT
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Because that's an entirely new firearm/serial number. You would have to do another Form 1...unfortunately you can't do a 2 for 1 deal... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So are you saying you want to replace your registered lower for a different lower? If that is correct then that means a different serial # which would require another form 1. Correct me if that's not what you are wanting to do. Yes...I want to replace my existing lower for a new one with a different serial number. Why can't I just inform the BATF of the new make and serial number? Because that's an entirely new firearm/serial number. You would have to do another Form 1...unfortunately you can't do a 2 for 1 deal... Truth^ |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 11:20:08 PM EDT
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Because that's an entirely new firearm/serial number. You would have to do another Form 1...unfortunately you can't do a 2 for 1 deal... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So are you saying you want to replace your registered lower for a different lower? If that is correct then that means a different serial # which would require another form 1. Correct me if that's not what you are wanting to do. Yes...I want to replace my existing lower for a new one with a different serial number. Why can't I just inform the BATF of the new make and serial number? Because that's an entirely new firearm/serial number. You would have to do another Form 1...unfortunately you can't do a 2 for 1 deal... Even if my existing lower is broken? Surely there is a provision for such a case... Note: I used the word replace. It would not be a 2 for 1. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 11:22:58 PM EDT
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Even if my existing lower is broken? Surely there is a provision for such a case... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So are you saying you want to replace your registered lower for a different lower? If that is correct then that means a different serial # which would require another form 1. Correct me if that's not what you are wanting to do. Yes...I want to replace my existing lower for a new one with a different serial number. Why can't I just inform the BATF of the new make and serial number? Because that's an entirely new firearm/serial number. You would have to do another Form 1...unfortunately you can't do a 2 for 1 deal... Even if my existing lower is broken? Surely there is a provision for such a case... No exceptions exist. If you break it you are out $200. Same deal with a RDIAS or registered machine gun lower. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 11:26:09 PM EDT
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No exceptions exist. If you break it you are out $200. Same deal with a RDIAS or registered machine gun lower. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So are you saying you want to replace your registered lower for a different lower? If that is correct then that means a different serial # which would require another form 1. Correct me if that's not what you are wanting to do. Yes...I want to replace my existing lower for a new one with a different serial number. Why can't I just inform the BATF of the new make and serial number? Because that's an entirely new firearm/serial number. You would have to do another Form 1...unfortunately you can't do a 2 for 1 deal... Even if my existing lower is broken? Surely there is a provision for such a case... No exceptions exist. If you break it you are out $200. Same deal with a RDIAS or registered machine gun lower. Hmmm...that seems like a shitty policy. But then again...it's the federal govt. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 11:43:53 PM EDT
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If its broken it can be repaired. Search m60joe. If you wish you would have form 1ed a noveske lower instead of an ATI you're out of luck.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 11:45:37 PM EDT
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Please tell us you didn't register a polymer lower...
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Posted: 10/25/2014 11:48:21 PM EDT
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Please tell us you didn't register a polymer lower... No...I didn't. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 11:58:11 PM EDT
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Sucks but $200 and a new form 1 is your only answer.
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Posted: 10/26/2014 12:09:09 AM EDT
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Hmmm...that seems like a shitty policy. But then again...it's the federal govt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Even if my existing lower is broken? Surely there is a provision for such a case... No exceptions exist. If you break it you are out $200. Same deal with a RDIAS or registered machine gun lower. Hmmm...that seems like a shitty policy. But then again...it's the federal govt. Actually, thank Gemtech for throwing a hissy fit causing the rules to be changed..... |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 3:01:45 AM EDT
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If its broken it can be repaired. Search m60joe. If you wish you would have form 1ed a noveske lower instead of an ATI you're out of luck. M60joe would probably not be a cost effective option. Good for a $20k registered m16, probably not for a $100-150 lower and new $200 stamp. |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 3:46:40 AM EDT
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I think (check for your self) that the original manufacture can take and destroy your old receiver and then make a new one with the same serial number. Pretty sure I've heard that before.
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Posted: 10/26/2014 5:49:14 AM EDT
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I think (check for your self) that the original manufacture can take and destroy your old receiver and then make a new one with the same serial number. Pretty sure I've heard that before. Negative. Was done in the past but not allowed anymore. |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 9:36:34 AM EDT
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Negative. Was done in the past but not allowed anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think (check for your self) that the original manufacture can take and destroy your old receiver and then make a new one with the same serial number. Pretty sure I've heard that before. Negative. Was done in the past but not allowed anymore. Again, thank Gemtech for throwing a hissy fit causing the rules to be changed..... |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 9:51:28 AM EDT
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Negative. Was done in the past but not allowed anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think (check for your self) that the original manufacture can take and destroy your old receiver and then make a new one with the same serial number. Pretty sure I've heard that before. Negative. Was done in the past but not allowed anymore. Always had this question, dissapointing to hear. It really makes me want to Form 1 every lower I have just in case things break, policy changes, etc. |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 9:58:29 AM EDT
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First I've heard of Gemtech being the cause...
Want to shed some light on what happened?? |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 10:02:40 AM EDT
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Again, thank Gemtech for throwing a hissy fit causing the rules to be changed..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think (check for your self) that the original manufacture can take and destroy your old receiver and then make a new one with the same serial number. Pretty sure I've heard that before. Negative. Was done in the past but not allowed anymore. Again, thank Gemtech for throwing a hissy fit causing the rules to be changed..... Olympic caused that, not Gemtech. They were replacing registered receivers that they weren't the original manufacturer on. |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 10:03:42 AM EDT
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OP....
I was thinking about this just now and wanted to come back here and ask you... Do you have the Form 1 right now, or are you waiting for it still? If you are still waiting for the Form 1 for the lower in question, yes, it is possible to switch the lower. I actually did this when I broke one of my lowers while waiting for a Form 1. If you already have the approved Form 1, then there is no other way but to do a new one and submit $200 more... |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 10:30:58 AM EDT
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Actually, thank Gemtech for throwing a hissy fit causing the rules to be changed..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Even if my existing lower is broken? Surely there is a provision for such a case... No exceptions exist. If you break it you are out $200. Same deal with a RDIAS or registered machine gun lower. Hmmm...that seems like a shitty policy. But then again...it's the federal govt. Actually, thank Gemtech for throwing a hissy fit causing the rules to be changed..... How did Gemtech change anything regarding SBR's/Machineguns? Also, AAC deserves just as much of the blame...and I am not really a fan of either company. ETA: As the above poster pointed out Olympic is the reason for SBR's/machineguns while Gemtech/AAC is the reason for suppressors. |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 12:32:25 PM EDT
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Again, thank Gemtech for throwing a hissy fit causing the rules to be changed..... Alternately, you could say 'thank AAC' for douchey business practices. |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 1:12:57 PM EDT
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How did Gemtech change anything regarding SBR's/Machineguns? Also, AAC deserves just as much of the blame...and I am not really a fan of either company. ETA: As the above poster pointed out Olympic is the reason for SBR's/machineguns while Gemtech/AAC is the reason for suppressors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Even if my existing lower is broken? Surely there is a provision for such a case... No exceptions exist. If you break it you are out $200. Same deal with a RDIAS or registered machine gun lower. Hmmm...that seems like a shitty policy. But then again...it's the federal govt. Actually, thank Gemtech for throwing a hissy fit causing the rules to be changed..... How did Gemtech change anything regarding SBR's/Machineguns? Also, AAC deserves just as much of the blame...and I am not really a fan of either company. ETA: As the above poster pointed out Olympic is the reason for SBR's/machineguns while Gemtech/AAC is the reason for suppressors. I believe it was a somewhat common practice at some point. There is even a story about Colt replacing a registered receiver with a new style reciever for some big wig. |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 1:20:15 PM EDT
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I believe it was a somewhat common practice at some point. There is even a story about Colt replacing a registered receiver with a new style reciever for some big wig. It was. Gemtech and AAC had nothing to do with getting it stopped though. Companies were replacing receivers that they had originally manufactured. Then Olympic started replacing other manufacturers' receivers. Olympic was also responsible for steel core 7.62x39 getting added to the AP handgun ammo list and thus banned from import. |
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