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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Sig pm400.... not an SBR?

Posted: 4/19/2014 2:57:52 PM EDT

I was just at my local rural king and saw what I thought was an SBR... a new Sig pm400. I talked to the clerk and he assured me that it is a legal pistol. ???? It has what appears to be a butt stock. Is that NOT a short barreled rifle??????

Posted: 4/19/2014 2:59:41 PM EDT

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I was just at my local rural king and saw what I thought was an SBR... a new Sig pm400. I talked to the clerk and he assured me that it is a legal pistol. ???? It has what appears to be a butt stock. Is that NOT a short barreled rifle??????

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It (most likely) had the SB15 Stabilizing Brace on it. Still considered a pistol.

Posted: 4/19/2014 3:18:42 PM EDT

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It did have the "brace" on it. lol... but how does that brace.. other than you can strap it around your arm if wanted to.... not be considered a butt stock since you can rest it against your shoulder much more comfortably than just the buffer tube? I mean.. hey... great if they want to sell legal "renamed" sbrs. I have two with the stamps and with that one... "the pm400"... no problem crossing state lines since its ONLY a pistol.

Just seemed obvious to me that it would be deemed a butt stock.

Posted: 4/19/2014 3:29:35 PM EDT

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The first rule about sig pistol brace, you don't talk about sig pistol brace!
Honestly though, yes it's stupid. The sbr thing is stupid too. Just goes to show you how fine the line is...

Posted: 4/19/2014 7:29:45 PM EDT

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There was a letter from the ATF about that. They ruled that it was not illegal to shoulder the brace against your shoulder when firing.

Sig Arm Brace - ATF Letter

Posted: 4/20/2014 3:56:10 AM EDT

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So.... I can sell my SBR's and just build a 7" ar pistol and put one of those sig "stabilizers" on it and its all legal? no tax stamp... can travel state to state... hmmmmm any other PISTOLS out there with a stabilizer "buttstock"?

Posted: 4/20/2014 11:11:24 AM EDT

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Woah! You NEVER sell firearms. Especially not NFA stuff! Just continue to invest.

Posted: 4/20/2014 3:38:29 PM EDT

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Pretty much any pistol that can take an AR-15 buffer tuber.

For example, you can get an HK style pistol, then add a fleming AR buffer tube adapter and put on a sig arm brace

Posted: 4/20/2014 3:39:01 PM EDT

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Why not sell my SBR's? I have a 7" ar 5.56 and a 7" Yugo ak underfolder. Love them both.. but its a pain in the ass to worry about them being stolen or no body can play with them without me there... the tax stamps are only in my name. Cant go to the range across the river... state line.. ect. Thought about just putting long barrels back on them.... selling them... and build some new pistols to put the "stabilizer" on.

I am wondering.. on an ak pistol... if I put a fold to the side buffer tube on it for an ar type stock... can I still just use the stabilizer and it still be a pistol? hmmmmmm

Posted: 4/20/2014 5:01:07 PM EDT

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Sig makes a brace for ak pistols as well.

Don't you worry about all of your guns getting stolen? Not just the stamped ones?

Posted: 4/20/2014 9:03:05 PM EDT

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Why not sell my SBR's? I have a 7" ar 5.56 and a 7" Yugo ak underfolder. Love them both.. but its a pain in the ass to worry about them being stolen or no body can play with them without me there... the tax stamps are only in my name. Cant go to the range across the river... state line.. ect. Thought about just putting long barrels back on them.... selling them... and build some new pistols to put the "stabilizer" on.

I am wondering.. on an ak pistol... if I put a fold to the side buffer tube on it for an ar type stock... can I still just use the stabilizer and it still be a pistol? hmmmmmm

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Yes, just like if you put the LAW on the AR pistol.

Posted: 4/22/2014 2:17:58 PM EDT

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Yes... I don't want any weapon stolen or any other item... however... If you have a nfa item stolen and they somehow deem you did not do everything in your power to protect it... they may do something about it. A non-stamped weapon is different from my understanding.

Posted: 4/22/2014 2:18:41 PM EDT

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Showing ignorance here.. but what is LAW that your referring to?

Posted: 4/22/2014 3:32:24 PM EDT

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Showing ignorance here.. but what is LAW that your referring to?

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LAW Tactical Folding Stock Adapter

Posted: 4/24/2014 6:00:48 PM EDT

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Yes... I don't want any weapon stolen or any other item... however... If you have a nfa item stolen and they somehow deem you did not do everything in your power to protect it... they may do something about it. A non-stamped weapon is different from my understanding.

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I've always wanted an AK sbr

Posted: 4/25/2014 11:32:14 AM EDT

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Yes... I don't want any weapon stolen or any other item... however... If you have a nfa item stolen and they somehow deem you did not do everything in your power to protect it... they may do something about it. A non-stamped weapon is different from my understanding.

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Not really different. And you can take your SBR to the range, just fill out a 5320.20 every year.

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