 DRJH1999 
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Posted: 6/4/2012 7:34:51 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT Id like to get a pistol buffer and get a short barrel to transition into an SBR once all paperwork is complete. Can this be done or do I need to be patient and wait? |
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Posted: 6/4/2012 7:56:36 PM
I believe the legal answer is "no, once a rifle always a rifle."
But the practical answer is nobody knew you wanted to do this until you posted your intent on the internet.  |
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TCBA_Joe
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Posted: 6/4/2012 7:56:52 PM
Originally Posted By DRJH1999:
If I built a carbine with a stripped lower vs buying a complete gun, can it be made into a pistol? I mostly read that it can't be done, but another search mentioned the lower would be listed as "other" on the form 4473 at my FFL. A virgin receiver must be originally configured as a pistol. If you build it as a rifle first, building it into a pistol afterwards would require it to be registered as an SBR, as the definition includes "any weapon made from a rifle". The ATF has recently declared a pistol can be configured as a rifle and back into a rifle without registration so long as it was originally a pistol As for "other", because it does not fit the definition of either rifle or pistol (and does not fit into title II configuration definitions) it must be listed as "other". Id like to get a pistol buffer and get a short barrel to transition into an SBR once all paperwork is complete. Can this be done or do I need to be patient and wait? Very common to build a stripped receiver into a pistol while waiting on the paperwork. This allows the owner to make sure everything fits and works before getting the stamp. |
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Posted: 6/4/2012 8:01:52 PM
Other > Pistol > Rifle > Pistol
Other > Rifle > Pistol > GAOL! We'll send you femidoms & cigarette money. If you've already built it as a rifle, it's a no go. If you've got a stripped lower that you've not built a rifle on, & was transferred from the dealer as an "other", then build it as a pistol 1st, take pics & post 'em, print & save copies, then build your rifle. Gig 'em, backbencher |
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Posted: 6/4/2012 10:19:46 PM
Oops I meant to post this in the pistols section but it looks like you guys covered it well. Never had intent to do anything shady, ignorance of the law is no excuse. Looks like ill be waiting then. Thanks guys
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backbencher
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Posted: 6/4/2012 10:21:55 PM
Just buy another lower - they're $100.
Gig 'em, backbencher |
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Joenavy85
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:17:30 AM
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Just buy another lower - they're $100. Gig 'em, backbencher Depends where you get them, either way, they're not expensive. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:44:03 AM
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Just buy another lower - they're $100. Gig 'em, backbencher Yep your going to want both eventually any way. |
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FredMan
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:47:54 AM
That ATF "ruling" is one of the biggest pieces of asshattery ever to come out of that agency.
I mean, really. I've got a rifle, I pull the stock and slap on a short upper, and BAM! it's an unregistered SBR. I've got a pistol. I slap on a long upper, affix a stock and BAM! I've got a perfectly legal Title I firearm. I THEN pull the stock, put on a short upper and POW! it's a perfectly legal pistol again. Even better, I can take a registered SBR, put a long upper on it, and all of a sudden it's outside the purview of the NFA. But if I take a registered machinegun, strip the full-auto parts, it's STILL a machinegun and will NEVER be outside the NFA. Just what the fvck are they thinking? The firearm should be considered in it's existing configuration, no matter it's registration status. |
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backbencher
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Posted: 6/5/2012 11:06:34 AM
Originally Posted By FredMan:
That ATF "ruling" is one of the biggest pieces of asshattery ever to come out of that agency. I mean, really. I've got a rifle, I pull the stock and slap on a short upper, and BAM! it's an unregistered SBR. I've got a pistol. I slap on a long upper, affix a stock and BAM! I've got a perfectly legal Title I firearm. I THEN pull the stock, put on a short upper and POW! it's a perfectly legal pistol again. Even better, I can take a registered SBR, put a long upper on it, and all of a sudden it's outside the purview of the NFA. But if I take a registered machinegun, strip the full-auto parts, it's STILL a machinegun and will NEVER be outside the NFA. Just what the fvck are they thinking? The firearm should be considered in it's existing configuration, no matter it's registration status. Not their fault. Blame FDR. The NFA never envisioned the AR platform, and to their credit, ATFE is complying w/ the T/C Supremes ruling. If you build a pistol from an "other" receiver, quite literally you can go from pistol to rifle & back again by popping a carbine stock on & off. Gig 'em, backbencher |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 1:22:49 PM
And of course the whole SBR and SBS nonsense exists because the originally drafted NFA 1934 included handguns and the SBR/SBS rules were created to make sure that people didn't "get around" the $200 tax and paperwork on handguns by just cutting down rifles and shotguns. Then handguns got removed from the text before passage and the SBRs and SBSs didn't.
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