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Posted: 6/27/2014 2:35:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Answered what I could. Based on your questions, it seems like your filing on paper. I'd recommend using EForms for this. Should be faster, and some of the questions are answered for you. See the Visual Guide sticky for any help you may need. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By BigMikeDFW:
Hey all first timer here prepping to do SBR submission on a AR Pistol. Just want to be clear on these items: 3a. (Trade Name) I don't beileve this applies. all if my paper forms and EForms have trust name in 3a. I evidently put it there on the paper forms, but EForms automatically populates it with the Licensee/Permittee name you supply...leave it blank when using EForms) 3b. This should be the exact name of trust and the address of it (being my home address) yes 4b. "SBR" should be ok? Or does it need to be written out "Short Barrel Rifle" I spelled it out on paper, and the selection in EForms is also spelled out[/url] 8. My name, printed with "Settlor of TRUST NAME" ?[red]name with whatever title you need...grantor, settler, trustee[/url] Also, I have a 7.5 Diplomat therefore using the chart here 26" should be the extended length?[red]I don't know this one for sure. Barrel + 19" is a decent estimate. Answered what I could. Based on your questions, it seems like your filing on paper. I'd recommend using EForms for this. Should be faster, and some of the questions are answered for you. See the Visual Guide sticky for any help you may need. I didn't know the eForm was back up but apprently was 3 days ago! Thank you for the instructions link and the answers! |
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Posted: 7/4/2014 8:28:44 PM EDT
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Can I use an 80% lower I finished at home if I put a serial# on it? If I can use it are there any rules as to the serialization? It will be under a trust.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 8:48:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlabamaPaul]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker: Can I use an 80% lower I finished at home if I put a serial# on it? If I can use it are there any rules as to the serialization? It will be under a trust. Section 7.4 The identification of firearms. 7.4.1 Serial numbers. Each manufacturer of a firearm must legibly identify it by engraving, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing on the firearm’s frame or receiver an individual serial number not duplicating any serial number placed by the manufacturer on any other firearm. The requirement that the marking be "conspicuously” placed on the firearm means that the marking must be wholly unobstructed from plain view. For firearms manufactured on or after January 30, 2002, the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch. 7.4.1.1 What is an acceptable serial number? Alpha characters (letters), for example a name, are not acceptable as a serial number. A proper serial number may contain such characters or letters, but it must have at least one numeric character (number). ATF takes the view that marking "legibly” means using exclusively Roman letters (A, B, C, and so forth) and Arabic numerals (1, 2, 3, and so forth). Deviations from this requirement have been found to seriously impair ATF’s ability to trace firearms involved in crime. 7.4.2 Additional information. Certain additional information must also be conspicuously placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel of the firearm by engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), that is, they must be placed in such a manner that they are wholly unobstructed from plain view. For firearms manufactured on or after January 30, 2002, this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes: (1) The model, if such designation has been made; (2) The caliber or gauge; (3) The manufacturer’s name (or recognized abbreviation); and (4) The city and State (or recognized abbreviation) where the manufacturer maintains its place of business. 7.4.3 Measuring the depth of markings. The depth of all markings is measured from the flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges. The height of serial numbers is measured as the distance between the latitudinal ends of the character impression bottoms (bases). |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 1:09:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BlueHaya]
[#4]
I have been looking in search...but never found an exact answer.....
I have a San Tan lower I am doing my first "build" with and going the SBR route 
The lower is sold as a multi caliber...but it does not list multi or any other cailber anywhere on the lower. I know i have to engrave the lower with my maker name and location. Does it have to have the caliber on the lower as well? |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 1:57:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlueHaya:
I have been looking in search...but never found an exact answer.....
I have a San Tan lower I am doing my first "build" with and going the SBR route
The lower is sold as a multi caliber...but it does not list multi or any other cailber anywhere on the lower. I know i have to engrave the lower with my maker name and location. Does it have to have the caliber on the lower as well? Two things: 1. Make sure to declare a caliber on the Form 1, as "multi" isn't acceptable 2. The firearm must be marked with caliber, but that is usually handled with the barrel being marked |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 2:52:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Two things: 1. Make sure to declare a caliber on the Form 1, as "multi" isn't acceptable 2. The firearm must be marked with caliber, but that is usually handled with the barrel being marked Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By BlueHaya:
I have been looking in search...but never found an exact answer.....
I have a San Tan lower I am doing my first "build" with and going the SBR route
The lower is sold as a multi caliber...but it does not list multi or any other cailber anywhere on the lower. I know i have to engrave the lower with my maker name and location. Does it have to have the caliber on the lower as well? Two things: 1. Make sure to declare a caliber on the Form 1, as "multi" isn't acceptable 2. The firearm must be marked with caliber, but that is usually handled with the barrel being marked When I did my form 1 I entered 5.56. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 7/22/2014 3:27:41 PM EDT
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Sorry if this has been answered...
If I have a rifle lower that I am awaiting a stamp for, plus other complete AR-style lowers that may or may not be part of complete rifles at the moment, am I allowed to "take control" of a NFA regulated upper? Basically, can I store the lower that will eventually be a stamped SBR with the SBR upper while awaiting the stamp and never assmble them together? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:08:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTRider245: Sorry if this has been answered... If I have a rifle lower that I am awaiting a stamp for, plus other complete AR-style lowers that may or may not be part of complete rifles at the moment, am I allowed to "take control" of a NFA regulated upper? Basically, can I store the lower that will eventually be a stamped SBR with the SBR upper while awaiting the stamp and never assmble them together? |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 9:18:06 PM EDT
[#9]
If I have a "5.56" marked lower receiver that I want to SBR and use a 10.5" 300 BLK upper on, am I correct that I register as "300 BLK" as caliber on the Form 1?
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Posted: 8/29/2014 9:30:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR_Shorty: If I have a "5.56" marked lower receiver that I want to SBR and use a 10.5" 300 BLK upper on, am I correct that I register as "300 BLK" as caliber on the Form 1? |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 9:33:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlabamaPaul:
Yes, no problem, but only put 300 on the form and leave off the BLK... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlabamaPaul:
Originally Posted By AR_Shorty:
If I have a "5.56" marked lower receiver that I want to SBR and use a 10.5" 300 BLK upper on, am I correct that I register as "300 BLK" as caliber on the Form 1? Good to know about leaving off the "BLK". Thank you! |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 12:55:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlabamaPaul:
Yes, no problem, but only put 300 on the form and leave off the BLK... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlabamaPaul:
Originally Posted By AR_Shorty:
If I have a "5.56" marked lower receiver that I want to SBR and use a 10.5" 300 BLK upper on, am I correct that I register as "300 BLK" as caliber on the Form 1? Mine just came back approved with the caliber listed as 300BLK. May have slipped through or was a new Examiner. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2014 3:47:07 PM EDT
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I asked this in another thread but I'll ask again here. I'm about the efile, when you log into the ATF site, there's a disclaimer about how you give them permission to view your computer as well as any other computer in your network and essentially, you can't expect any privacy if you accept. No, I don't have anything to hide but am I being too paranoid about this?
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Posted: 9/2/2014 4:53:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riddle: I asked this in another thread but I'll ask again here. I'm about the efile, when you log into the ATF site, there's a disclaimer about how you give them permission to view your computer as well as any other computer in your network and essentially, you can't expect any privacy if you accept. No, I don't have anything to hide but am I being too paranoid about this? |
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Posted: 9/9/2014 4:22:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlabamaPaul:
Yes, you're being a bit paranoid. On websites I develop, I log the ip address and other relevant information of all computers that connect... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlabamaPaul:
Originally Posted By Riddle:
I asked this in another thread but I'll ask again here. I'm about the efile, when you log into the ATF site, there's a disclaimer about how you give them permission to view your computer as well as any other computer in your network and essentially, you can't expect any privacy if you accept. No, I don't have anything to hide but am I being too paranoid about this? that's standard verbiage on any government operated application that may receive connections via network. technically your browser connects to their network for html content. this does not at all mean their system can somehow see anything on your home network or even your laptop (maybe... hehehehe j/k) it's a non-issue, just don't try to do any hacker nonsense to their site. |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 3:54:18 PM EDT
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Hey folks, need a little help. I've got a fair amount of suppressors but now I'm getting into the SBR world. 2 that I want to do, one is fairly straight fwd, I want to build a 300blk on a new receiver (never registered). Thats pretty straight forward. The next one, I have a Scar enroute (16" barrel) that I want to send to ADCO and get shortened to 12.5.. How/can I SBR it? Thanks in advance
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Posted: 10/4/2014 4:28:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingunzz:
The next one, I have a Scar enroute (16" barrel) that I want to send to ADCO and get shortened to 12.5.. How/can I SBR it? Thanks in advance It's just as simple. File an F1. When it's approved, get the barrel shortened. On the first one, with a stripped lower, you'll use the Manufacturer info, Model and Serial Number already engraved. You'll then supply the caliber, barrel length and OAL you're going with. You'll do the same thing with the SCAR. |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 5:25:13 PM EDT
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Appreciate it!! Guess I was making it harder that it was.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/26/2014 2:04:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: eviljoe]
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Two years ago, I bought a BCM lower by itself. No stock came with it, but it's only been used as a 14.5" Carbine.
However, I DON'T know how the gunstore recorded it in the database--is it safe to assume this can be used as the basis for an SBR? ONLY if they recorded it as a "pistol" would that be a problem, right? (This gunstore DOES a lot of SBRs and stuff, so they know what they're doing.) |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 9:50:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eviljoe: Two years ago, I bought a BCM lower by itself. No stock came with it, but it's only been used as a 14.5" Carbine. However, I DON'T know how the gunstore recorded it in the database--is it safe to assume this can be used as the basis for an SBR? ONLY if they recorded it as a "pistol" would that be a problem, right? (This gunstore DOES a lot of SBRs and stuff, so they know what they're doing.) |
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USA
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Posted: 10/26/2014 11:10:39 PM EDT
[#21]
QUESTION
I understand doing a Form 1 and then building your SBR, but how do you go about buying an SBR from, for example, SIG or say Colt? |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 11:13:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borat:
QUESTION I understand doing a Form 1 and then building your SBR, but how do you go about buying an SBR from, for example, SIG or say Colt? Find one in stock (or for sale by an individual) and have it transferred on a Form 4. Same process as buying a suppressor. Local Class 3 dealer could also order you one on a Form 3, just like a can. |
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USA
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Posted: 10/26/2014 11:25:07 PM EDT
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Thanks BW!
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/3/2014 9:11:43 PM EDT
[#24]
Probably addressed somewhere here, but can't find it
On the "forms" upload page for the Eform, do I need to upload anything? I'm submitting as a person, not a trust. Fingerprints and photo's still get sent in via mail, correct? |
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Posted: 11/3/2014 9:43:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NotIssued:
Probably addressed somewhere here, but can't find it On the "forms" upload page for the Eform, do I need to upload anything? I'm submitting as a person, not a trust. Fingerprints and photo's still get sent in via mail, correct? You can't file an eForm as an individual. It's in big bold yellow font at the top of the Visual Guide. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/3/2014 10:12:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NotIssued]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
You can't file an eForm as an individual. It's in big bold yellow font at the top of the Visual Guide. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By NotIssued:
Probably addressed somewhere here, but can't find it On the "forms" upload page for the Eform, do I need to upload anything? I'm submitting as a person, not a trust. Fingerprints and photo's still get sent in via mail, correct? You can't file an eForm as an individual. It's in big bold yellow font at the top of the Visual Guide. Hmmm.... apparently I missed the visual guide. Good thing I haven't hit submit or pay yet. Guess I'll poke around that site more. It seemed too easy. Edit ... where's the "Visual Guide?" I haven't seen anything in big yellow letters. |
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Posted: 11/3/2014 10:18:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NotIssued:
Edit ... where's the "Visual Guide?" I haven't seen anything in big yellow letters. It's a sticky in the General Class 3 subforum: Visual guide |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/3/2014 10:21:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By NotIssued:
Edit ... where's the "Visual Guide?" I haven't seen anything in big yellow letters. It's a sticky in the General Class 3 subforum: Visual guide Thanks. Wish this was cross posted to the OP on this thread too. |
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Posted: 2/22/2015 9:39:48 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tony_k:
That's not spelled out in the regs. I reccommend using both initials (first and middle) if you don't want to spell out your first name. Also, you don't need to use periods or commas, unless dropping them might cause confusion (like A L vs. Al). So an acceptable engraving would be: G W Bush Washington DC Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tony_k:
Originally Posted By Assaulter:
Can you use your Initial for your first name? Example: "G. Bush" Washington D.C. That's not spelled out in the regs. I reccommend using both initials (first and middle) if you don't want to spell out your first name. Also, you don't need to use periods or commas, unless dropping them might cause confusion (like A L vs. Al). So an acceptable engraving would be: G W Bush Washington DC Since the quoted post is 6 years old and BATFE likes to change their mind, I'll ask again. For an individual I think I can just engrave: E J Mylastname Mytown, NH Is that correct? |
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Posted: 2/22/2015 10:07:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eric496:
Since the quoted post is 6 years old and BATFE likes to change their mind, I'll ask again. For an individual I think I can just engrave: E J Mylastname Mytown, NH Is that correct? I would say the current interpretation by the ATF is that's not acceptable. The requirements say name (or recognized abbreviation). The best explanation I've found is here. Personally, though...I've always been of the opinion that if you could show that you put forth the effort to have your firearm engraved, no agent would ever hassle you. But there's no actual statute to back that up. |
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Posted: 2/22/2015 10:26:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
I would say the current interpretation by the ATF is that's not acceptable. The requirements say name (or recognized abbreviation). The best explanation I've found is here. Personally, though...I've always been of the opinion that if you could show that you put forth the effort to have your firearm engraved, no agent would ever hassle you. But there's no actual statute to back that up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By eric496:
Since the quoted post is 6 years old and BATFE likes to change their mind, I'll ask again. For an individual I think I can just engrave: E J Mylastname Mytown, NH Is that correct? I would say the current interpretation by the ATF is that's not acceptable. The requirements say name (or recognized abbreviation). The best explanation I've found is here. Personally, though...I've always been of the opinion that if you could show that you put forth the effort to have your firearm engraved, no agent would ever hassle you. But there's no actual statute to back that up. Thanks! I guess I need to put my full name including middle name to be legal. Hope that all fits on the bottom of the magwell. |
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Posted: 2/22/2015 10:45:21 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eric496:
Thanks! I guess I need to put my full name including middle name to be legal. Hope that all fits on the bottom of the magwell. I wouldn't worry about middle name. Did you put it on the Form 1? |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 8:39:56 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
I wouldn't worry about middle name. Did you put it on the Form 1? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By eric496:
Thanks! I guess I need to put my full name including middle name to be legal. Hope that all fits on the bottom of the magwell. I wouldn't worry about middle name. Did you put it on the Form 1? I had to look, but no. Just my middle initial thankfully. So it's my name as on the Form 1 and Mytown, NH. Glad I asked. Thanks! |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 10:25:29 PM EDT
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Got my eforms approved. On the form with the approved tax stamp, do I need to print off the entire thing? Or just the first page?
Think I'll just stuff it inside the grip. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 7/30/2015 7:04:45 AM EDT
[#35]
Thanks everyone who posted helpful hints. I just submitted my first ATF form 1 with my trust documents. The E File sure makes everything seem too easy.
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CT, USA
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Posted: 7/30/2015 11:05:35 AM EDT
[#36]
Can I SBR an 80% lower? It is registered in CT without a serial number
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Posted: 7/30/2015 11:21:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BigWaylon]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mag_Dump:
Can I SBR an 80% lower? It is registered in CT without a serial number As long as it's legal in CT, there's nothing wrong with making an SBR with an 80% lower. However, you will have to assign it a serial number. It's basically handled like a Form 1 can, where you are the original manufacturer instead of there being a commercial manufacturer. If you use eforms, you'll input FMI as the Manufacturer Code. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 7/30/2015 11:25:29 AM EDT
[#38]
Thanks for the response. I will look into serializing it. I had to register it with the state of CT because it is a big bad black rifle but it didn't have a serial number on it when I did. Maybe I can add it after the fact. Thanks again.
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Posted: 10/17/2015 8:45:16 PM EDT
[#39]
Are there any guidelines to choosing a SN?
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Posted: 10/17/2015 9:06:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SickMAK90:
Are there any guidelines to choosing a SN? I've never done it, but from what I remember you have to have a number in it. For example, "FOOD" is not a valid serial number but "F00D" is. I'm sure it can be found in the federal code. |
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Posted: 10/18/2015 10:42:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GeneralPurpose:
I've never done it, but from what I remember you have to have a number in it. For example, "FOOD" is not a valid serial number but "F00D" is. I'm sure it can be found in the federal code. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GeneralPurpose:
Originally Posted By SickMAK90:
Are there any guidelines to choosing a SN? I've never done it, but from what I remember you have to have a number in it. For example, "FOOD" is not a valid serial number but "F00D" is. I'm sure it can be found in the federal code. I thought I had to engrave a new SN on an SBR lower but I was wrong, must have seen info on making a form 1 can or something. |
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Posted: 10/18/2015 2:13:13 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SickMAK90:
I thought I had to engrave a new SN on an SBR lower but I was wrong, must have seen info on making a form 1 can or something. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SickMAK90:
Originally Posted By GeneralPurpose:
Originally Posted By SickMAK90:
Are there any guidelines to choosing a SN? I've never done it, but from what I remember you have to have a number in it. For example, "FOOD" is not a valid serial number but "F00D" is. I'm sure it can be found in the federal code. I thought I had to engrave a new SN on an SBR lower but I was wrong, must have seen info on making a form 1 can or something. Correct, if the item you're registering already has a serial number, you use that one. If it doesn't, you have to assign a serial number. I thought you were registering an 80% lower you completed. |
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Posted: 10/18/2015 6:30:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BigWaylon]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GeneralPurpose:
I've never done it, but from what I remember you have to have a number in it. For example, "FOOD" is not a valid serial number but "F00D" is. I'm sure it can be found in the federal code. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GeneralPurpose:
Originally Posted By SickMAK90:
Are there any guidelines to choosing a SN? I've never done it, but from what I remember you have to have a number in it. For example, "FOOD" is not a valid serial number but "F00D" is. I'm sure it can be found in the federal code. Correct. You can have a mix of alpha and numeric, or all numeric, but not all alpha. I know somebody that did something with PB&J, so the ampersand is also ok. Not sure what other punctuation is accepted. It has to be Roman letters and Arabic numbers (basic English system). That's so officers can call them in clearly without worrying about interpreting the language. (Model, etc, aren't held to the same regs). Here is the ruling from '02 if you want to read it. |
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Posted: 10/28/2015 9:09:41 PM EDT
[#44]
Greetings:
Recently set up my trust, ordered an Omega Suppressor. Now I am ready to form 1 my pistol into an SBR. As per the FAQ http://quarterbore.com/library/pdf_files/shortbarreledriflefaq.pdf It says "Where it lists caliber, I would list all you may want to use (within reason i.e. 22, 9mm, 223, 7.62x29 as there is no real requirement currently to list all calibers as with the AR- 15, that would be insane). For "barrel length" and "overall length" on the Form 1, people have used "less than 16 inches" or "7-15 inches" to allow their SBR paperwork to allow as many options as possible. " My question is this still permissible to have a range for barrel length and caliber for upper interchangeability? |
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Posted: 10/28/2015 9:30:54 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By edub:
Greetings: Recently set up my trust, ordered an Omega Suppressor. Now I am ready to form 1 my pistol into an SBR. As per the FAQ http://quarterbore.com/library/pdf_files/shortbarreledriflefaq.pdf It says "Where it lists caliber, I would list all you may want to use (within reason i.e. 22, 9mm, 223, 7.62x29 as there is no real requirement currently to list all calibers as with the AR- 15, that would be insane). For "barrel length" and "overall length" on the Form 1, people have used "less than 16 inches" or "7-15 inches" to allow their SBR paperwork to allow as many options as possible. " My question is this still permissible to have a range for barrel length and caliber for upper interchangeability? The answer in that FAQ is just begging for a Disapproved Form 1. List one caliber, one barrel length and one overall length. It should be how you plan to initially build the SBR. After that, it doesn't matter how it's configured. |
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Posted: 10/28/2015 9:50:14 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
The answer in that FAQ is just begging for a Disapproved Form 1. List one caliber, one barrel length and one overall length. It should be how you plan to initially build the SBR. After that, it doesn't matter how it's configured. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By edub:
Greetings: Recently set up my trust, ordered an Omega Suppressor. Now I am ready to form 1 my pistol into an SBR. As per the FAQ http://quarterbore.com/library/pdf_files/shortbarreledriflefaq.pdf It says "Where it lists caliber, I would list all you may want to use (within reason i.e. 22, 9mm, 223, 7.62x29 as there is no real requirement currently to list all calibers as with the AR- 15, that would be insane). For "barrel length" and "overall length" on the Form 1, people have used "less than 16 inches" or "7-15 inches" to allow their SBR paperwork to allow as many options as possible. " My question is this still permissible to have a range for barrel length and caliber for upper interchangeability? The answer in that FAQ is just begging for a Disapproved Form 1. List one caliber, one barrel length and one overall length. It should be how you plan to initially build the SBR. After that, it doesn't matter how it's configured. Thank you for the clarification. I am glad I asked! |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2016 3:21:03 PM EDT
[#47]
Want to do my first SBR. I have a trust already created. The SBR will be part of the trust.
What I want to do is add an SU-16C folding stock to a Kel-Tec PLR-16 pistol. I have the form 1 and using Adobe Typewriter tool to write on the form. Questions: Block 2, Since the SBR will be made by the trust put X in "corporation or other legal entity" Block 3a, the name of our trust "ABCD NFA Trust" Block 3b, That would be my name and address or Trust name and same address Block 4a, use Kel-Tec name and address, I put name in with block a and address in block under it. Block 4b, in the top I wrote "SBR" in the bottom "folding stock installation" Block 4c, I put "5.56mm NATO" which is what it says on Kel-Tec site. Block 4d, I put PLR-16 Block 4e, 9.2 (from Kel-Tec site data) Block 4f, 18.5 (from Kel-Tec site data) Block 4g, I put the original serial number ABC123 (where should I put the serial number I intend to use if SBR approved) Block 4h, I put (Addition of folding stock, 28.7" open or 18.7" folded. Barrel 9.2") Block 4i, I put (All legal purposes) Block 4j, I marked NO. Block 5 and 6 left blank Block 7, my signature Block 8, Settlor of ABCD NFA trust Do I need to complete block 10 with CLEO Do I need to complete blocks 11-16 as that is part of the qualification of the trust. Print the whole thing, Print the Trust document (how many copies?) and submit with $200 money order. Am I missing anything? |
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Posted: 1/21/2016 3:27:38 PM EDT
[#48]
Want to do my first SBR. I have a trust already created. The SBR will be part of the trust.
What I want to do is add an SU-16C folding stock to a Kel-Tec PLR-16 pistol. I have the form 1 and using Adobe Typewriter tool to write on the form. Questions: Block 2, Since the SBR will be made by the trust put X in "corporation or other legal entity" Block 3a, the name of our trust "ABCD NFA Trust" Block 3b, That would be my name and address or Trust name and same address Block 4a, use Kel-Tec name and address, I put name in with block a and address in block under it. Block 4b, in the top I wrote "SBR" in the bottom "folding stock installation" Block 4c, I put "5.56mm NATO" which is what it says on Kel-Tec site. Block 4d, I put PLR-16 Block 4e, 9.2 (from Kel-Tec site data) Block 4f, 18.5 (from Kel-Tec site data) Block 4g, I put the original serial number ABC123 (where should I put the serial number I intend to use if SBR approved) Block 4h, I put (Addition of folding stock, 28.7" open or 18.7" folded. Barrel 9.2") Block 4i, I put (All legal purposes) Block 4j, I marked NO. Block 5 and 6 left blank Block 7, my signature Block 8, Settlor of ABCD NFA trust Do I need to complete block 10 with CLEO Do I need to complete blocks 11-16 as that is part of the qualification of the trust. Print the whole thing, Print the Trust document (how many copies?) and submit with $200 money order. Am I missing anything? |
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Posted: 1/21/2016 3:57:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BigWaylon]
[#49]
That was painful to read...almost like you haven't read any of the guides. I'll hit a couple points.
3b is trust name, and address where firearm will be stored In 4, there's no top/bottom section...the top is the heading, the bottom is where you put your info 4a is the company name and location engraved on the firearm 4b is Short Barreled Rifle, nothing else. 4c is simply 5.56 4f...is that figure what Keltec said it is with the stock? 4h is for other markings on the firearm. Most people leave it blank. At most, you'd input the trust name and city, state that will be engraved 8 is your name, title. So something like John Smith, Grantor (or Trustee) All of page 2 stays blank. However, you need to print two copies of 1 & 2 front/back, and send a copy of page 3 with the appropriate info. One copy of trust. |
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Posted: 1/21/2016 4:18:36 PM EDT
[#50]
Thank you, I went looking for the guides and couldn't find. Lots of data to sort through and most seemed to be for an individual. Someone specifically said look for your posts. So thanks again.
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