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Posted: 7/21/2012 11:16:57 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT So my friend said that his trust was just completed a few weeks ago. A class III dealer in East Texas sold him a suppressor. My friend stated they did the forms and he paid the $200 fee via a .gov website. He was then called a few days ago saying that his forms are in and he is welcome to come pick up his suppressor now. I told him this sounded fishy because even trusts have to go through the same process (except for CLEO and photos) as the rest of us. So, according to my friend, all within a month, he set up a trust, sent in application, paid fee by .gov website and was approved. I told him thats impossible and that if he does drive to the class III dealer to pick up suppressor and he doesnt have a stamp, that he should NOT leave with the suppressor. Now, am I wrong or is something happening here that is either illegal or just a huge isunderstanding between my friend and his dealer? |
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Circuits
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Posted: 7/22/2012 12:19:42 AM
Originally Posted By Medicin3Man:
I just got off a phone with a friend of mine. He called claiming that he has found a way around the 6 month wait. When I asked him how, he said to do a trust. I know a little about trusts although I have never used one. So my friend said that his trust was just completed a few weeks ago. A class III dealer in East Texas sold him a suppressor. My friend stated they did the forms and he paid the $200 fee via a .gov website. He was then called a few days ago saying that his forms are in and he is welcome to come pick up his suppressor now. I told him this sounded fishy because even trusts have to go through the same process (except for CLEO and photos) as the rest of us. So, according to my friend, all within a month, he set up a trust, sent in application, paid fee by .gov website and was approved. I told him thats impossible and that if he does drive to the class III dealer to pick up suppressor and he doesnt have a stamp, that he should NOT leave with the suppressor. Now, am I wrong or is something happening here that is either illegal or just a huge isunderstanding between my friend and his dealer? I believe he's mistaken, and it may be that the suppressor has just now arrived at his DEALER's from the manufacturer on a Form 3 transfer, which takes much less time than the eventual Form 4 to him and his trust. The trust route is a well-known method of avoiding CLEO signoff and prints and pics, but usually takes just as long as any other Form 4 - about six months or so, lately. There has been talk of a web app, but as a SOT dealer, I've not been informed by the ATF that it's up and usable, so if there is such a thing, it's news to me and all the other SOTs here.. |
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Posted: 7/22/2012 12:33:08 AM
If you don't mind telling me, I'd like to know which C3 dealer in east Texas he is using.
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sardo_67
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Posted: 7/22/2012 3:14:02 AM
yes i would like to know more about this. the ATF is starting to test a beta version of an online form but this would be the first i've herd of it actually being used. i'm thinking that there is some type of misunderstanding here between your friend and the NFA dealer.
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Posted: 7/22/2012 9:35:32 AM
Has your friend called the ATF to check the status???
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Posted: 7/22/2012 1:36:40 PM
Originally Posted By sardo_67: I can here to post this yes i would like to know more about this. the ATF is starting to test a beta version of an online form but this would be the first i've herd of it actually being used. i'm thinking that there is some type of misunderstanding here between your friend and the NFA dealer. |
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Posted: 7/23/2012 9:55:06 AM
[Last Edit: 7/23/2012 9:55:41 AM by Medicin3Man]
I havent heard back from him, but I was adamant in telling him that he was wrong and that he needed to clarify with his class III dealer. That being said, he was pretty insistent that his dealer said he can come pick up his suppressor.
I don't know the name of the dealer, but I think my friend said it was in McAllen, TX. ETA: He said he used a .gov website to make his $200 payment. |
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sardo_67
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Posted: 7/23/2012 1:51:31 PM
Originally Posted By Medicin3Man:
I havent heard back from him, but I was adamant in telling him that he was wrong and that he needed to clarify with his class III dealer. That being said, he was pretty insistent that his dealer said he can come pick up his suppressor. I don't know the name of the dealer, but I think my friend said it was in McAllen, TX. ETA: He said he used a .gov website to make his $200 payment. ok now i am really interested, please get us more info on that part, the Dealer's info, website, or anything that one can follow up on. if this is going where i hope it is i may hold off a little longer on sending out some Form 1s and a 4. |
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Posted: 7/23/2012 5:54:19 PM
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
Originally Posted By Medicin3Man:
I havent heard back from him, but I was adamant in telling him that he was wrong and that he needed to clarify with his class III dealer. That being said, he was pretty insistent that his dealer said he can come pick up his suppressor. I don't know the name of the dealer, but I think my friend said it was in McAllen, TX. ETA: He said he used a .gov website to make his $200 payment. ok now i am really interested, please get us more info on that part, the Dealer's info, website, or anything that one can follow up on. if this is going where i hope it is i may hold off a little longer on sending out some Form 1s and a 4. I wouldn't. if it sounds too good to be true it usually is. file your forms and start the wait. |
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sardo_67
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Posted: 7/23/2012 6:51:41 PM
Hahah ok well ya, I'm not reall waiting for that. Just haven't had te motivation to send out the forms.
Also pissed off at the dealer who has my can on a form 3 since early may, said he was really busy and couldn't do the form 4 last time I was there. I don't even really care about I anymore. He also didn't call me when the can came on or the form 4 on my MG wich all happened the first week of may. |
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Posted: 7/24/2012 9:07:56 PM
Sounds to me its time for a new dealer (for you)
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Posted: 7/25/2012 12:46:31 AM
Originally Posted By sardo_67: Originally Posted By Medicin3Man: I havent heard back from him, but I was adamant in telling him that he was wrong and that he needed to clarify with his class III dealer. That being said, he was pretty insistent that his dealer said he can come pick up his suppressor. I don't know the name of the dealer, but I think my friend said it was in McAllen, TX. ETA: He said he used a .gov website to make his $200 payment. ok now i am really interested, please get us more info on that part, the Dealer's info, website, or anything that one can follow up on. if this is going where i hope it is i may hold off a little longer on sending out some Form 1s and a 4. Same here. They are planning an e-form, but AFAIK it is not rolled out. Be interesting to see if it has been to select dealers. I doubt it though. |
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Posted: 7/26/2012 12:47:34 AM
Tag for updates.
Really interested to hear of this is beta of the new eForm system. I may hold off on a few stamps if its coming soon. |
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Posted: 7/26/2012 1:26:49 AM
Originally Posted By thefreshman991:
Tag for updates. Really interested to hear of this is beta of the new eForm system. I may hold off on a few stamps if its coming soon. Tag. |
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Posted: 7/26/2012 1:36:47 AM
Nothing new yet. My buddy, who is military, hasn't gone back yet, but he said he will head down there this week. I will update when I get them.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 1:40:36 AM
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MSC182
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Posted: 7/26/2012 8:16:54 PM
Tagged for info, but I think I know how it will turn out.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 8:29:14 PM
Originally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By Medicin3Man: I just got off a phone with a friend of mine. He called claiming that he has found a way around the 6 month wait. When I asked him how, he said to do a trust. I know a little about trusts although I have never used one. So my friend said that his trust was just completed a few weeks ago. A class III dealer in East Texas sold him a suppressor. My friend stated they did the forms and he paid the $200 fee via a .gov website. He was then called a few days ago saying that his forms are in and he is welcome to come pick up his suppressor now. I told him this sounded fishy because even trusts have to go through the same process (except for CLEO and photos) as the rest of us. So, according to my friend, all within a month, he set up a trust, sent in application, paid fee by .gov website and was approved. I told him thats impossible and that if he does drive to the class III dealer to pick up suppressor and he doesnt have a stamp, that he should NOT leave with the suppressor. Now, am I wrong or is something happening here that is either illegal or just a huge isunderstanding between my friend and his dealer? I believe he's mistaken, and it may be that the suppressor has just now arrived at his DEALER's from the manufacturer on a Form 3 transfer, which takes much less time than the eventual Form 4 to him and his trust. The trust route is a well-known method of avoiding CLEO signoff and prints and pics, but usually takes just as long as any other Form 4 - about six months or so, lately. There has been talk of a web app, but as a SOT dealer, I've not been informed by the ATF that it's up and usable, so if there is such a thing, it's news to me and all the other SOTs here.. I recently spoke with a long time friend/SOT holder who said the same thing - only time (fingers crossed) will tell. |
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Posted: 7/26/2012 8:49:41 PM
Originally Posted By osprey21: Very coolOriginally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By Medicin3Man: I just got off a phone with a friend of mine. He called claiming that he has found a way around the 6 month wait. When I asked him how, he said to do a trust. I know a little about trusts although I have never used one. So my friend said that his trust was just completed a few weeks ago. A class III dealer in East Texas sold him a suppressor. My friend stated they did the forms and he paid the $200 fee via a .gov website. He was then called a few days ago saying that his forms are in and he is welcome to come pick up his suppressor now. I told him this sounded fishy because even trusts have to go through the same process (except for CLEO and photos) as the rest of us. So, according to my friend, all within a month, he set up a trust, sent in application, paid fee by .gov website and was approved. I told him thats impossible and that if he does drive to the class III dealer to pick up suppressor and he doesnt have a stamp, that he should NOT leave with the suppressor. Now, am I wrong or is something happening here that is either illegal or just a huge isunderstanding between my friend and his dealer? I believe he's mistaken, and it may be that the suppressor has just now arrived at his DEALER's from the manufacturer on a Form 3 transfer, which takes much less time than the eventual Form 4 to him and his trust. The trust route is a well-known method of avoiding CLEO signoff and prints and pics, but usually takes just as long as any other Form 4 - about six months or so, lately. There has been talk of a web app, but as a SOT dealer, I've not been informed by the ATF that it's up and usable, so if there is such a thing, it's news to me and all the other SOTs here.. I recently spoke with a long time friend/SOT holder who said the same thing - only time (fingers crossed) will tell. |
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Posted: 7/26/2012 8:51:49 PM
Originally Posted By Medicin3Man:
Nothing new yet. My buddy, who is military, hasn't gone back yet, but he said he will head down there this week. I will update when I get them. HAS HE CALLED NFA BRANCH??? |
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Posted: 7/28/2012 12:10:40 AM
I am interested! I will buy my whole c3 dealer if this is the case.
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Posted: 7/28/2012 2:33:58 AM
I am in for results
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Posted: 7/29/2012 12:07:24 PM
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Posted: 7/29/2012 3:14:39 PM
The only C3 dealer in south Texas, not any where near east Texas is RDS out of Mcallen/Edinburg on 10th street. So if he confused East Texas with DEEP South Texas (A few miles from Mexico) i think he might have confused the rest of the story as well. Hope its a mix up in the he said she said, and we can get our form 1's and 4's back in 1-2 mths with a new system. Guess we will wait for the outcome. If details are not posted by Monday afternoon, I'll call the owner and ask the turn around time for a form 4 is ,as he does not do form1's.
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Posted: 7/29/2012 9:50:37 PM
I havent talked to him yet. I am in the middle of moving to Florida and havent had the time.
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Posted: 7/29/2012 11:04:29 PM
[Last Edit: 7/29/2012 11:05:13 PM by sardo_67]
call your buddy, get the name of the dealer, call the dealer, ask the dealer about the so called ".gov" payment website. post results of the phone conversation here
ok forget this, i'm calling the NFA branch tomorrow and asking about a so called online payment site. enough with the middle men (no offense to the OP) |
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