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Posted: 7/19/2012 5:25:24 PM THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT I sent my Form 1 out to make a SBS on my Wisconsin trust 7 ish months ago. I got it back in the mail approved!!!! Excited I looked it over and noticed i screwed something up badly. In section 4B (Type of firearm to be made) I typed in AOW when it should be SBS. What can I do to fix it? I would love to make my shot gun a AOW like but it has a butt stock on it and thus its an SBS even though its based on a AOW.

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LeonC U gotta believe. Team Member Joined: Dec 2005  FL, USA Posts: 958 Feedback: 100% (11) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/19/2012 5:33:03 PM [Last Edit: 7/19/2012 5:37:05 PM by LeonC] Did you pay $200 or $5?
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battlehawk1025 Member Team Member Joined: Nov 2011  IL, USA Posts: 108 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/19/2012 5:37:49 PM I payed 200. If you form 1 a AOW its a $200 tax stamp. My friend says just make it a AOW. But no way in hell im doing that from a shot gun that had a stock on it.
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Posted: 7/19/2012 5:41:36 PM [Last Edit: 7/19/2012 5:42:03 PM by LeonC] That sucks, your best bet is to contact the NFA branch and see if they can assist you. Otherwise, you're going to have to pay another $200 to make it an SBS. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives National Firearms Act Branch 244 Needy Road Martinsburg, West Virginia 25405 USA Voice (304) 616-4500 Fax (304) 616-4501

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battlehawk1025 Member Team Member Joined: Nov 2011  IL, USA Posts: 109 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/19/2012 5:44:54 PM [quote]Originally Posted By LeonC: That sucks, your best bet is to contact the NFA branch and see if they can assist you. Otherwise, you're going to have to pay another $200 to make it an SBS. That what I thought Im not so mad about the money as i will be about the wait lol. Looking forward to making my coach gun
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Shermantor-AR15 Member Joined: Feb 2008  AL, USA Posts: 2269 Feedback: 100% (6) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/19/2012 8:06:01 PM Yeah probably didn't realize that the making stamp is $200 on a Form 1 for all the NFA firearms even the AOW. However you had to actually type or write in AOW. How could you write that in??
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Circuits Member Team Member Joined: Jan 2001  CO, USA Posts: 6189 Feedback: 100% (21) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/19/2012 8:11:00 PM Originally Posted By Shermantor-AR15: Yeah probably didn't realize that the making stamp is $200 on a Form 1 for all the NFA firearms even the AOW. However you had to actually type or write in AOW. How could you write that in?? I'm guessing he used the dropdown from a fillable PDF form, and didn't proofread it carefully.
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Posted: 7/19/2012 9:00:23 PM [Last Edit: 7/19/2012 9:05:13 PM by battlehawk1025] Originally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By Shermantor-AR15: Yeah probably didn't realize that the making stamp is $200 on a Form 1 for all the NFA firearms even the AOW. However you had to actually type or write in AOW. How could you write that in?? I'm guessing he used the dropdown from a fillable PDF form, and didn't proofread it carefully. Yea I was doing 2 form 1s. One for a SBS and filling the other for a AOW. So im going to call the NFA tomorrow and see what they say. Could I just cut the Butt stock off and just have a hand grip ? or is that still considered a SBS ?

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Posted: 7/19/2012 10:28:39 PM From what i recall, an AOW can only made from a shotgun that never had a stock attached as you stated. It would really come down to how the shotgun was trasferred on the 4473 form. IF it was transfered as a long gun i dont see how it was approved as an AOW, seems like there would be some kind of cross reference to how the manufacturer classified that gun's serial number. maybe it doesnt work that way though. i'm interested to see what ATF says about it. seems like it would be an easy fix since the tax is the same.

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Posted: 7/20/2012 1:34:45 AM Originally Posted By nismo542: From what i recall, an AOW can only made from a shotgun that never had a stock attached as you stated. It would really come down to how the shotgun was trasferred on the 4473 form. IF it was transfered as a long gun i dont see how it was approved as an AOW, seems like there would be some kind of cross reference to how the manufacturer classified that gun's serial number. maybe it doesnt work that way though. i'm interested to see what ATF says about it. seems like it would be an easy fix since the tax is the same. The form 1 doesn't list how the donor firearm was last transferred, so the ATF doesn't necessarily know if/unless they go research it more in the future. But... OP doesn't want a stockless AOW, he wants an SBS. Best not to transgress if you have a (relatively) painless way forward. OP can either get ATF to amend and approve the F1 to SBS (very possible), or cancel the AOW F1, eventually get a refund, and submit a new F1 for the SBS he wants to make.

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Posted: 7/20/2012 9:21:32 AM Originally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By nismo542: From what i recall, an AOW can only made from a shotgun that never had a stock attached as you stated. It would really come down to how the shotgun was trasferred on the 4473 form. IF it was transfered as a long gun i dont see how it was approved as an AOW, seems like there would be some kind of cross reference to how the manufacturer classified that gun's serial number. maybe it doesnt work that way though. i'm interested to see what ATF says about it. seems like it would be an easy fix since the tax is the same. The form 1 doesn't list how the donor firearm was last transferred, so the ATF doesn't necessarily know if/unless they go research it more in the future. But... OP doesn't want a stockless AOW, he wants an SBS. Best not to transgress if you have a (relatively) painless way forward. OP can either get ATF to amend and approve the F1 to SBS (very possible), or cancel the AOW F1, eventually get a refund, and submit a new F1 for the SBS he wants to make. Actually it might work out for me. I was looking making clone of a Ithaca auto & burglar. So i might just switch them i can make a custom grip from wood. Talk to lovely NFA branch this morning they said i could not reverse it But they might be able to change it. From AOW to SBS. Just waiting on a call back.

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Mahamotorworks "The Man" Team Member Joined: Jan 2008  NM, USA Posts: 1335 Feedback: 100% (4) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/24/2012 3:03:56 AM IIRC if you do not make the AOW you can cancel the stamp and get your $200 back. You have to write a letter letting them know that you never made. You would then have to file another form to make it a SBS. MAHA
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SigOwner_P229 Member Joined: Feb 2007  IN, USA Posts: 2540 Feedback: 100% (13) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/25/2012 2:37:33 PM Originally Posted By Mahamotorworks: IIRC if you do not make the AOW you can cancel the stamp and get your $200 back. You have to write a letter letting them know that you never made. You would then have to file another form to make it a SBS. MAHA This ^^^ If you decide to do another F1, your first stamp isn't "lost" as long as you don't actually make it.
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Posted: 7/25/2012 6:30:36 PM Originally Posted By SigOwner_P229: Originally Posted By Mahamotorworks: IIRC if you do not make the AOW you can cancel the stamp and get your $200 back. You have to write a letter letting them know that you never made. You would then have to file another form to make it a SBS. MAHA This ^^^ If you decide to do another F1, your first stamp isn't "lost" as long as you don't actually make it. +1 If they can't somehow amend the form then CANCEL it and start over as an SBS .. a refund will likely take 6 months but you said your not so mad about the money so send the PROPER paperwork in ASAP and you'll likely get your refund about the same time as your SBS tax stamped F1!

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getchevyn Member Team Member Joined: Dec 2008  USA Posts: 1254 Feedback: 100% (18) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/25/2012 11:55:29 PM That's why one should never abbreviate when filling in forms. Spell it out.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 10:33:58 AM Originally Posted By ds762: Originally Posted By SigOwner_P229: Originally Posted By Mahamotorworks: IIRC if you do not make the AOW you can cancel the stamp and get your $200 back. You have to write a letter letting them know that you never made. You would then have to file another form to make it a SBS. MAHA This ^^^ If you decide to do another F1, your first stamp isn't "lost" as long as you don't actually make it. +1 If they can't somehow amend the form then CANCEL it and start over as an SBS .. a refund will likely take 6 months but you said your not so mad about the money so send the PROPER paperwork in ASAP and you'll likely get your refund about the same time as your SBS tax stamped F1! God bless the ATF, they take our money in a heart beat. When it come to a refund it takes along time lol. I sent in a amended form 1 should have it approved in the next month or 2 according to the person i spoke to.

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