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Posted: 8/8/2012 10:28:49 AM
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THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT Over the past few months I've been researching and buying. I have recently picked up the following... Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14X 40mm mildot Butler creek caps sunshade and killflash (on backorder) Burris Zee signature 1" medium weaver rings generic scope level (not sure if it's really necessary, but I figured it wouldn't hut to try and see if it shrinks my groups) Bushnell scout 1000 ARC laser range finder Triple Triad large stock pack Mildot master (on the way courtesy of the voucher that came with the Nikon) I also got tossed in a simple calculator, pen, and write in the rain pad aside from actually buying a rifle, and getting dies and a scope base... what else do I need? I am thinking about using nikons spot on program for my ballistic charts which I'll print out and laminate to keep in the stock pack. I'm thinking about getting a spotting scope (how cheap can I reasonably go? I'd LIKE to be able to see holes at 200 yards) For a rifle, I'm getting a basic savage (not axis basic, I want a accutrigger). I can't make up my mind on caliber. I wanted a .300 win mag but have since decided it might not be the best idea. I don't really want a .308 because it's boring and I'd like something a bit flatter with enough power to take down large game. I am leaning more towards 7mm-08 but am curious and will be reading up on .270 and .260 since I keep hearing alot of people talking about them. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 10:31:40 AM
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RFutch
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Posted: 8/8/2012 11:05:13 AM
If you want a savage and you dont want a 308 look at the 12 LRP in either 260 or 6.5 creedmoor. I would not go with a long action caliber for a first precision rifle.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 11:12:26 AM
Originally Posted By RFutch:
If you want a savage and you dont want a 308 look at the 12 LRP in either 260 or 6.5 creedmoor. I would not go with a long action caliber for a first precision rifle. that's not quite as basic as I meant I'm looking more in the $600-$700 max range I don't have a ton of cash to throw around |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 11:31:26 AM
Originally Posted By netofficer3710:
Originally Posted By RFutch:
If you want a savage and you dont want a 308 look at the 12 LRP in either 260 or 6.5 creedmoor. I would not go with a long action caliber for a first precision rifle. that's not quite as basic as I meant I'm looking more in the $600-$700 max range I don't have a ton of cash to throw around Then get a boring .308. If you actually want to learn precision rifle the best choice you can make is picking up a .308 so you will be forced to actually learn how to read wind. With a 300wm or a 7mm-08 or .260 etc they will handicap you greatly in that respect. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 11:59:26 AM
Originally Posted By poison123:
Originally Posted By netofficer3710:
Originally Posted By RFutch:
If you want a savage and you dont want a 308 look at the 12 LRP in either 260 or 6.5 creedmoor. I would not go with a long action caliber for a first precision rifle. that's not quite as basic as I meant I'm looking more in the $600-$700 max range I don't have a ton of cash to throw around Then get a boring .308. If you actually want to learn precision rifle the best choice you can make is picking up a .308 so you will be forced to actually learn how to read wind. With a 300wm or a 7mm-08 or .260 etc they will handicap you greatly in that respect. +1 There's nothing boring about a 308 when the wind starts blowing.  |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 12:11:01 PM
Originally Posted By RFutch:
Originally Posted By poison123:
Originally Posted By netofficer3710:
Originally Posted By RFutch:
If you want a savage and you dont want a 308 look at the 12 LRP in either 260 or 6.5 creedmoor. I would not go with a long action caliber for a first precision rifle. that's not quite as basic as I meant I'm looking more in the $600-$700 max range I don't have a ton of cash to throw around Then get a boring .308. If you actually want to learn precision rifle the best choice you can make is picking up a .308 so you will be forced to actually learn how to read wind. With a 300wm or a 7mm-08 or .260 etc they will handicap you greatly in that respect. +1 There's nothing boring about a 308 when the wind starts blowing. awwww maaaan!!! I really don't for the life of me understand windage and how to compensate for it. drop is easy, mildot range estimation is easy, windage is confusing and scares me... |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 12:31:34 PM
Originally Posted By netofficer3710: awwww maaaan!!! I really don't for the life of me understand windage and how to compensate for it. drop is easy, mildot range estimation is easy, windage is confusing and scares me... Doping the wind is the 'art' in long range precision shooting....and one of the elements which helps keep it interesting. Just do some reading on it and practice. It's not something you learn overnight. FWIW, a couple items you might want to add to your list is a 'dope book' or data book, and a bipod. Keeping a good dope book will help you visualize windage effects in addition to much other information you can review to help calculate a shot. The bipod is self-explanitory. The suggestions on using the .308 to learn on....IMHO is good advice.  |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:54:48 PM
trying to read the wind is like trying to understand a woman.
the only 1k range out here is in a valley surrounded by mountains. im in the great southwest and winds are the norm. it is indeed something to try and learn and play with, but it can get expensive. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 7:38:08 PM
so you're new to LR but .308 is too boring for you?
Huh, sounds kind of elitist to me. Why don't you get your ass off the internet and see how boring it really is. You're speaking to a proud owner of a couple .308's, been shooting them LR now for a few years, and there isn't a damn thing boring about it when the wind is blowing... |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 8:01:42 PM
I was just kinda hoping to get a "laser" and avoid .308, but I'm starting to think that for the cost that might not happen unless I get a lightweight thin barreled hunting rifle (not ideal)
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Posted: 8/11/2012 11:24:15 AM
No matter what cartridge you settle on, reading the wind will be necessary at long range. Get some wind flags to start with. Surveyors tape will do, and spend time watching the flags and learning what the wind is doing. Reading wind is the hardest thing I have had to learn and I'm still not 100% perfect. Heck, I'm not even 75% perfect. OK, I suck at it but I'm still trying to learn.
I'd look into an app for your smart phone rather than the Nikon program. Not that the Nikon program is bad, but when changes occur, it's nice to be able to adjust. Ive found that even having an app on my tablet, I still want a dope card to fall back on when the electrons go on vacation. In true ARFCOM fashion, get both. |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 12:11:19 PM
Originally Posted By Neopo8:
No matter what cartridge you settle on, reading the wind will be necessary at long range. Get some wind flags to start with. Surveyors tape will do, and spend time watching the flags and learning what the wind is doing. Reading wind is the hardest thing I have had to learn and I'm still not 100% perfect. Heck, I'm not even 75% perfect. OK, I suck at it but I'm still trying to learn. I'd look into an app for your smart phone rather than the Nikon program. Not that the Nikon program is bad, but when changes occur, it's nice to be able to adjust. Ive found that even having an app on my tablet, I still want a dope card to fall back on when the electrons go on vacation. In true ARFCOM fashion, get both. I have the nikon spot on app on my phone too  |
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