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Posted: 8/2/2012 11:33:32 PM
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Posted: 8/2/2012 11:36:48 PM
If you truly mean "no support" then a sling is the only way to fly.
You need to practice, practice, practice. Bone Support and Muscular Relaxation along with Natural Point of Aim. When I get locked in on the sing my skeleton is supporting the rifle. I can hold it until my arm falls asleep from the loop. I think it would be almost impossible for me to describe how to shoot offhand in a post, but it is a fairly simple concept. I hope I can get to a video in the next couple months. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 11:39:58 PM
Originally Posted By LoneWolfUSMC:
If you truly mean "no support" then a sling is the only way to fly. You need to practice, practice, practice. Bone Support and Muscular Relaxation along with Natural Point of Aim. When I get locked in on the sing my skeleton is supporting the rifle. I can hold it until my arm falls asleep from the loop. I think it would be almost impossible for me to describe how to shoot offhand in a post, but it is a fairly simple concept. I hope I can get to a video in the next couple months. A video would be awesome. Do you lean forward in a more aggressive stance or more straight up? |
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Posted: 8/3/2012 12:03:31 AM
I always found that "taking a knee" helped me greatly, as it's quick and reasonably stable. More so than just slinging up, at least for me.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 12:12:19 AM
Originally Posted By Ironhandjohn:
I always found that "taking a knee" helped me greatly, as it's quick and reasonably stable. More so than just slinging up, at least for me. True but in a competition it might not be practical. |
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Posted: 8/3/2012 1:18:00 AM
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Posted: 8/3/2012 1:46:07 AM
Originally Posted By D-RAS03:
A video would be awesome. Do you lean forward in a more aggressive stance or more straight up? If it's for precision in competition, then I am standing straight and tall and I actually lean back at the waist a little to allow for my support arm to make better contact on my ribs. If I am shooting a gas gun for speed, then I am in a "fighting" crouch with bent knees. They are two totally different techniques with very little in common. |
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Posted: 8/3/2012 2:33:28 AM
Originally Posted By LoneWolfUSMC:
Originally Posted By D-RAS03:
A video would be awesome. Do you lean forward in a more aggressive stance or more straight up? If it's for precision in competition, then I am standing straight and tall and I actually lean back at the waist a little to allow for my support arm to make better contact on my ribs. If I am shooting a gas gun for speed, then I am in a "fighting" crouch with bent knees. They are two totally different techniques with very little in common. Ok that exactly how I shoot for both systems. Thanks for the input. |
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Posted: 8/3/2012 10:06:03 PM
I lock up best I can and try to squeeze off the round when my zig-zag crosses the target..
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Posted: 8/3/2012 11:44:33 PM
[Last Edit: 8/3/2012 11:45:27 PM by StealthCRF]
I'm no expert, nor do I compete, but when shooting a heavy rifle offhand, I set the sling, lean back to get my left elbow into my ribs, so that I can basically let go and the rifle is locked to my torso. Set a natural point of aim like LW said, and I prefer to fire with empty lungs because I can set a pretty consistent aiming point that way.
My LOP is a little long for this, and with the right shoulder angled back, the recoil makes the rifle feel like it is coming WAY back lol. No black eyes though  yet |
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Posted: 8/4/2012 12:04:35 AM
[Last Edit: 8/4/2012 12:08:13 AM by Eric_75]
I like this video:
http://youtu.be/h11HE5Viuuw But I am also into photography so that part is not boring to me. My advice is ditch the tactical, quick reaction stance that you might use with a carbine or shotgun, and go for something where the NPOA is a little more apparent. (that is bone supported, with the support hand holding most of the weight and resting at your side.) Stand perpendicular to the direction you are firing. A slight twist and shift in your upper body will put the CG of the rifle in a manageable spot. The curvature in your spine will help stiffen up your trunk. Also experiment with the angle of your feet to tighten up your hips. My front foot points perpendicular to the rifle. The rear foot points about 30 degrees backward. Raise the rifle high on your shoulder. Ideally you bring the rifle up to your face, don't put your face down on the rifle. Tilting your head will influence your balance. Because your body gives under recoil during standing, you don't need as much contact area with the butt pad. Trigger elbow is up enough to manage the recoil. The tactical guys compromise marksmanship to make themselves a smaller target by holding the elbow down. That has it's applications, but not here. Put in a lot of practice in standing to help with the concentration. It only works if you do your part, and you need to discipline yourself to do that at the times when you just want to get the rounds off and move on. Use a .22 to save ammo costs. Work on calling your shots. Try using a shoot-and-see or similar at close range so you get better feedback for each shot. When the impact is within your call radius, ask yourself why you let it go that far off the center. When the impact is outside of your call radius, ask yourself why you didn't call it more accurately. Don't fuss the shot. If it's somewhere in the shoot zone, let it fly. If you wait for a better hold, it will only get worse as you get more fatigued. Take breaks when you get tired. |
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Posted: 8/4/2012 12:14:22 AM
Originally Posted By Eric_75:
I like this video: http://youtu.be/h11HE5Viuuw But I am also into photography so that part is not boring to me. My advice is ditch the tactical, quick reaction stance that you might use with a carbine or shotgun, and go for something where the NPOA is a little more apparent. (that is bone supported, with the support hand holding most of the weight and resting at your side.) Stand perpendicular to the direction you are firing. A slight twist and shift in your upper body will put the CG of the rifle in a manageable spot. The curvature in your spine will help stiffen up your trunk. Also experiment with the angle of your feet to tighten up your hips. My front foot points perpendicular to the rifle. The rear foot points about 30 degrees backward. Raise the rifle high on your shoulder. Ideally you bring the rifle up to your face, don't put your face down on the rifle. Tilting your head will influence your balance. Because your body gives under recoil during standing, you don't need as much contact area with the butt pad. Trigger elbow is up enough to manage the recoil. The tactical guys compromise marksmanship to make themselves a smaller target by holding the elbow down. That has it's applications, but not here. Put in a lot of practice in standing to help with the concentration. It only works if you do your part, and you need to discipline yourself to do that at the times when you just want to get the rounds off and move on. Use a .22 to save ammo costs. Work on calling your shots. Try using a shoot-and-see or similar at close range so you get better feedback for each shot. When the impact is within your call radius, ask yourself why you let it go that far off the center. When the impact is outside of your call radius, ask yourself why you didn't call it more accurately. Don't fuss the shot. If it's somewhere in the shoot zone, let it fly. If you wait for a better hold, it will only get worse as you get more fatigued. Take breaks when you get tired. Thanks. I have a few AR500 plates which are nice for feedback. |
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Posted: 8/4/2012 10:49:17 AM
Be careful of ricochet when shooting plates up close!
In my mind I was thinking 25 yards, because I was practicing with a .22 that had iron sights. |
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Posted: 8/4/2012 1:01:48 PM
Originally Posted By Eric_75:
Be careful of ricochet when shooting plates up close! In my mind I was thinking 25 yards, because I was practicing with a .22 that had iron sights. I don't shoot steel under 200yds. Other than that I can see the bullet holes with my scope. |
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