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Posted: 4/13/2012 11:48:49 AM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT I am looking for my first high power, precision rifle. I've came across several rifles that look like good options. I definitely wanted to go with .308, but not break the bank, around $700 I've considered Remington 700 SPS Varmit, 700 VTR, and maybe the SPS Tactical. I have read reviews and all seem to be nice rifles. I've shot Rem 700 rifles and really liked the quality, but everyone seems to not like the stocks on the rifles. Purpose will be mainly target shooting, eventually some small game hunting. Im looking for a good entry gun but one that will last. Let me know what you guys think, would do. Thanks |
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TheTacticalCoyote
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Posted: 4/13/2012 12:22:47 PM
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Posted: 4/13/2012 12:24:06 PM
Well i'm sure you'll get plenty of answers so here's my 2 cents. I'm about 100 rounds into my new rem 700 AAC-SD which I picked up for $650 including tax. I did put a B&C M40 style stock on it right out of the box which run $239 and I have to say i'm extremely happy with my purchase! I've run some Fed 168 GMM which grouped 0.8" and some BVAC 168 AMAX which grouped about 0.95". I can't wait to get some handloads through it and see this rifles true potential. Just saying it's a shooter.
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Posted: 4/13/2012 1:47:40 PM
I bought the same rifle, I waiting on my can now, but I plan on a aics folder.
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LoneWolfUSMC
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Posted: 4/13/2012 2:02:26 PM
Originally Posted By pistolpete317:
I am looking for my first high power, precision rifle. For your Reading Pleasure: http://8541tactical.com/budget%20precision%20article.php For your Viewing Pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLABEFDD83DF9BA2A4 |
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Posted: 4/13/2012 7:28:17 PM
I was looking at the sps tactical but when I saw the 5r I bought it I didnt like the SS barrel but the 5r rifling was a huge factor.
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Posted: 4/13/2012 8:07:07 PM
AAC-SD is the way to go if you ever want a suppressor.
Here's some pron for you. 218 rounds of sub-MOA shots with a total investment of $1620 before mags.  |
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Posted: 4/13/2012 8:16:31 PM
Originally Posted By GAZ32:
AAC-SD is the way to go if you ever want a suppressor. Here's some pron for you. 218 rounds of sub-MOA shots with a total investment of $1620 before mags. http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa63/GAZ32/3ffd463a.jpg details please, I have a base 5r that I want to look like that( sort of) |
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Posted: 4/13/2012 9:13:32 PM
[Last Edit: 4/13/2012 9:14:53 PM by GAZ32]
Base 700 AAC-SD
-B&C A3 customized by a sander and some devcon -Badger bolt knob -AAC 51T brake for 762SD -Atlasworxs BM -Timney trigger -Larue QD 6-9 Harris Bipod with my custom claw feet -Larue rail -Badger rings -Burris XTR 312 |
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Posted: 4/13/2012 11:19:44 PM
I'd go with a Savage. I've always enjoyed the Remingtons I've handled in gun shops, never bought one due to the higher price over a Savage. Watching the documentury on Remington 700 trigger issues swore me off the brand though. Some of their newer triggers should be safe, but their classic trigger design appears to have some real safety issues. On Netflix, the show is "Remington Under Fire" Scary stuff.
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D-RAS03
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Posted: 4/14/2012 2:19:11 AM
Originally Posted By AL_Safety:
I'd go with a Savage. I've always enjoyed the Remingtons I've handled in gun shops, never bought one due to the higher price over a Savage. Watching the documentury on Remington 700 trigger issues swore me off the brand though. Some of their newer triggers should be safe, but their classic trigger design appears to have some real safety issues. On Netflix, the show is "Remington Under Fire" Scary stuff. Hearing about the problem with Remington is why I chose a Tikka. I'm really glad a chose a Tikka. I just watched that "Remington under fire" and the people that got hurt or killed were not using safe control. |
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Posted: 4/14/2012 8:16:15 AM
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Posted: 4/14/2012 2:40:47 PM
Thanks, that just gave me a lot more options to consider now. GAZ32, that is one nice lookin rifle and thanks for the detailed info LoneWolf.
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Posted: 4/14/2012 5:30:07 PM
I have a Remington 5R and a Savage LRP.
After purchasing the Savage, and observing many other shooters with new Savage rifles at the range, I can tell you that I'll never buy another Remington. Never. |
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Posted: 4/14/2012 7:13:26 PM
Originally Posted By D-RAS03:
Originally Posted By AL_Safety:
I'd go with a Savage. I've always enjoyed the Remingtons I've handled in gun shops, never bought one due to the higher price over a Savage. Watching the documentury on Remington 700 trigger issues swore me off the brand though. Some of their newer triggers should be safe, but their classic trigger design appears to have some real safety issues. On Netflix, the show is "Remington Under Fire" Scary stuff. Hearing about the problem with Remington is why I chose a Tikka. I'm really glad a chose a Tikka. I just watched that "Remington under fire" and the people that got hurt or killed were not using safe control. True, they weren't following proper control, but still it was surprising to see SWAT shooters having misfires downrange was still a shock. I think Remington is just avoiding admitting liability in their response, because they sold 5 million of them, and it's a pretty big exposure. If Remington had better financial backing, they'd fix the problem. But fixing the problem would basically bankrupt Remington with their current finances. Fixing the problem would be an admission of the issue, and dramatically increase their financial exposure to the people who have been injured or killed. |
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Posted: 4/14/2012 7:14:11 PM
700 AAC-SD
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D-RAS03
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Posted: 4/14/2012 7:19:03 PM
Originally Posted By AL_Safety:
Originally Posted By D-RAS03:
Originally Posted By AL_Safety:
I'd go with a Savage. I've always enjoyed the Remingtons I've handled in gun shops, never bought one due to the higher price over a Savage. Watching the documentury on Remington 700 trigger issues swore me off the brand though. Some of their newer triggers should be safe, but their classic trigger design appears to have some real safety issues. On Netflix, the show is "Remington Under Fire" Scary stuff. Hearing about the problem with Remington is why I chose a Tikka. I'm really glad a chose a Tikka. I just watched that "Remington under fire" and the people that got hurt or killed were not using safe control. True, they weren't following proper control, but still it was surprising to see SWAT shooters having misfires downrange was still a shock. I think Remington is just avoiding admitting liability in their response, because they sold 5 million of them, and it's a pretty big exposure. If Remington had better financial backing, they'd fix the problem. But fixing the problem would basically bankrupt Remington with their current finances. Fixing the problem would be an admission of the issue, and dramatically increase their financial exposure to the people who have been injured or killed. Seeing the swat shooter was surprising. I got into an argument here not to long ago about all the ADs were caused by misuse but seeing the swat guy kinda changed that. |
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Posted: 4/14/2012 7:39:10 PM
Originally Posted By D-RAS03:
Originally Posted By AL_Safety:
Originally Posted By D-RAS03:
Originally Posted By AL_Safety:
I'd go with a Savage. I've always enjoyed the Remingtons I've handled in gun shops, never bought one due to the higher price over a Savage. Watching the documentury on Remington 700 trigger issues swore me off the brand though. Some of their newer triggers should be safe, but their classic trigger design appears to have some real safety issues. On Netflix, the show is "Remington Under Fire" Scary stuff. Hearing about the problem with Remington is why I chose a Tikka. I'm really glad a chose a Tikka. I just watched that "Remington under fire" and the people that got hurt or killed were not using safe control. True, they weren't following proper control, but still it was surprising to see SWAT shooters having misfires downrange was still a shock. I think Remington is just avoiding admitting liability in their response, because they sold 5 million of them, and it's a pretty big exposure. If Remington had better financial backing, they'd fix the problem. But fixing the problem would basically bankrupt Remington with their current finances. Fixing the problem would be an admission of the issue, and dramatically increase their financial exposure to the people who have been injured or killed. Seeing the swat shooter was surprising. I got into an argument here not to long ago about all the ADs were caused by misuse but seeing the swat guy kinda changed that. Did he say if he'd "adjusted" his trigger? |
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Posted: 4/14/2012 7:46:45 PM
Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
Originally Posted By D-RAS03:
Originally Posted By AL_Safety:
Originally Posted By D-RAS03:
Originally Posted By AL_Safety:
I'd go with a Savage. I've always enjoyed the Remingtons I've handled in gun shops, never bought one due to the higher price over a Savage. Watching the documentury on Remington 700 trigger issues swore me off the brand though. Some of their newer triggers should be safe, but their classic trigger design appears to have some real safety issues. On Netflix, the show is "Remington Under Fire" Scary stuff. Hearing about the problem with Remington is why I chose a Tikka. I'm really glad a chose a Tikka. I just watched that "Remington under fire" and the people that got hurt or killed were not using safe control. True, they weren't following proper control, but still it was surprising to see SWAT shooters having misfires downrange was still a shock. I think Remington is just avoiding admitting liability in their response, because they sold 5 million of them, and it's a pretty big exposure. If Remington had better financial backing, they'd fix the problem. But fixing the problem would basically bankrupt Remington with their current finances. Fixing the problem would be an admission of the issue, and dramatically increase their financial exposure to the people who have been injured or killed. Seeing the swat shooter was surprising. I got into an argument here not to long ago about all the ADs were caused by misuse but seeing the swat guy kinda changed that. Did he say if he'd "adjusted" his trigger? Don't believe so. |
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Posted: 4/15/2012 7:56:56 PM
I've only heard good things about these savages. great price especially considering that stock alone goes for $225 at midway. i will be getting one this summer
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Posted: 4/16/2012 7:46:54 AM
People on the net...especially newbies act as if the 5R is some magical factory rifle...fact is it's a very good factory rifle, but it ain't all that. My 5R shot in the low .5s with my loads...my Savages shoot in the low .3s with the same load.
Buying a Remington will offer you tons of aftermarket support. Buying a Savage, you can do the work yourself at a fraction of what it would cost you to have a smith do the work to the Remington. Both companies offer great rifles, but for me the Savage offers the best bang for the buck. |
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Posted: 4/16/2012 9:12:47 AM
Originally Posted By Aubie1:
People on the net...especially newbies act as if the 5R is some magical factory rifle...fact is it's a very good factory rifle, but it ain't all that. My 5R shot in the low .5s with my loads...my Savages shoot in the low .3s with the same load.Buying a Remington will offer you tons of aftermarket support. Buying a Savage, you can do the work yourself at a fraction of what it would cost you to have a smith do the work to the Remington. Both companies offer great rifles, but for me the Savage offers the best bang for the buck. hand loads vary from rifle to rifle, you can have 2 of the same exact rifle, and shoot the same exact handloads, and get differant results...  thats why handloaders tweek loads to match up with the rifle...!
the 5R gets alot of Hype becuase of the M24 "Army Sniper Rifle" and the fact that the M24 uses the 5R Rifle'n most people believe that if its good enough for the military than its good enough for them... and most people want what the military uses... thats why everybody gets the Tactical style rifle's just to punch holes in paper and to kill the steel targets... I myself is guilty of this...  but i have the excuse of being a former marine of 8 yrs... that is why my .308's are m40's
but i have alot of respect for the savage... out of the box... it will shoot better than a out of the box remington... but if you blue print and hand lap that same new out of the box remington... your going to get a hell of a rifle... i believe the savages shoot better out of the box becuase of there 1-10" twist barrel vs the 1-12's taht come standard on the remmy's not to mention the remmy's have a hell of a long throat slop... but if you clean it up... you get a damn good rifle... ] BUT THEN AGIAN, thats just it... you have to clean it up... to where the savage is GTG out the box... line them up.. side by side... equal.. both the savage and the rem... both Blue printed and slop cleaned out... I WOULD RATHER OWN REMINGTON..!!! BUT, if i had to choose out the box and i knew taht i was not ever going to do anything else but scope it... and i wanted the best value for my money... then i'd might go with a savage.. probably |
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Posted: 4/16/2012 9:14:07 AM
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I'll echo others here and say the AAC-SD.
You can see mine and my buddies in this pic from the weekend. I've got $1,220 into mine (the one with the 10 round AICS mag and H&S Stock). I was only able to get it out to 250 yards this weekend but it was ringing steel like a champ.  |
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:19:51 PM
Originally Posted By D-RAS03:
Seeing the swat shooter was surprising. I got into an argument here not to long ago about all the ADs were caused by misuse but seeing the swat guy kinda changed that. Then you should ask yourself why, if these rifles are so dangerous, are they still the choice of LE, Army and Marine Corps Snipers. Trust me, if there were widespread trigger issues with these rifles, the Corps would have commanded the PWS at Quantico to source a suitable replacement. Instead what the Corps has done is made sure you know that if you ever fuck with the trigger on your rifle, you will loose rank and pay and will probably end up driving a Hummer instead of a rifle. Seems to work. I never witnessed a trigger malfunction and only heard of it once. A friend (and former Platoon Sergeant of mine) went on as the SNCOIC of the 2nd Marine Div Scout Sniper School. I asked him about it when the "documentary" came out. He was only aware of the one malfunction in his tenure there. That was also the same malfunction I knew of and it was with a teammates very worn "school" (loaner) rifle. I don't have any problems with the triggers when they are properly cared for and adjusted. When you start dicking around with stuff you don't understand and turn your "field" trigger into a "benchrest" trigger, you will have problems. Those are compounded when you are stupid and point a loaded rifle at something you don't intend to destroy. Every death or serious injury reported to be caused by a "faulty" trigger was in fact caused by a violation of one or more of the weapons handling commandments. If a weapon goes off an negligently kills someone while it is in your hands....there is only one PERSON to blame. |
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TheTacticalCoyote
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:34:54 PM
Originally Posted By LoneWolfUSMC:
Originally Posted By D-RAS03:
Seeing the swat shooter was surprising. I got into an argument here not to long ago about all the ADs were caused by misuse but seeing the swat guy kinda changed that. Then you should ask yourself why, if these rifles are so dangerous, are they still the choice of LE, Army and Marine Corps Snipers. Trust me, if there were widespread trigger issues with these rifles, the Corps would have commanded the PWS at Quantico to source a suitable replacement. Instead what the Corps has done is made sure you know that if you ever fuck with the trigger on your rifle, you will loose rank and pay and will probably end up driving a Hummer instead of a rifle. Seems to work. I never witnessed a trigger malfunction and only heard of it once. A friend (and former Platoon Sergeant of mine) went on as the SNCOIC of the 2nd Marine Div Scout Sniper School. I asked him about it when the "documentary" came out. He was only aware of the one malfunction in his tenure there. That was also the same malfunction I knew of and it was with a teammates very worn "school" (loaner) rifle. I don't have any problems with the triggers when they are properly cared for and adjusted. When you start dicking around with stuff you don't understand and turn your "field" trigger into a "benchrest" trigger, you will have problems. Those are compounded when you are stupid and point a loaded rifle at something you don't intend to destroy. Every death or serious injury reported to be caused by a "faulty" trigger was in fact caused by a violation of one or more of the weapons handling commandments. If a weapon goes off an negligently kills someone while it is in your hands....there is only one PERSON to blame. Very well said. It is WECSOG gunsmiths that give Remington a bad name. |
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Posted: 4/16/2012 2:34:30 PM
I remain convinced the "defect" is entirely due to a lack of maintenance and improper adjustment, as well.
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