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Posted: 10/21/2004 10:08:40 PM
I'm contemplating one of these for some serious shooting and I'm stuck with the decision on which round to go with. I'm leaning with the .338 Lapua the more I find out about this awesome round. Any input would be appreciated.
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Posted: 10/21/2004 11:31:29 PM
At what distance will you be shooting ? I take it your handloading?
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Posted: 10/21/2004 11:35:00 PM

Originally Posted By Tazaroo:
I'm contemplating one of these for some serious shooting and I'm stuck with the decision on which round to go with. I'm leaning with the .338 Lapua the more I find out about this awesome round. Any input would be appreciated.



If you going to get that great a rifle I don't see why you shouldn't get it with the reach of the .338 Lapua! Good choice!
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Posted: 10/22/2004 4:08:48 AM

Originally Posted By gotm4:

Originally Posted By Tazaroo:
I'm contemplating one of these for some serious shooting and I'm stuck with the decision on which round to go with. I'm leaning with the .338 Lapua the more I find out about this awesome round. Any input would be appreciated.



If you going to get that great a rifle I don't see why you shouldn't get it with the reach of the .338 Lapua! Good choice!



True, but only if that reach is worth and EXTRA $35-$40 per box of ammo. Are you capable of shooting to the ranges .338LM can reach? Better yet, can you utilize the area PAST what the .300 WinMag is effective at?

Just some things to ponder. Especially the price of ammo when it comes to 338LM.

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Posted: 10/22/2004 5:03:22 AM
[Last Edit: 10/22/2004 5:44:24 AM by gotm4]

Originally Posted By GunDraw:

Originally Posted By gotm4:

Originally Posted By Tazaroo:
I'm contemplating one of these for some serious shooting and I'm stuck with the decision on which round to go with. I'm leaning with the .338 Lapua the more I find out about this awesome round. Any input would be appreciated.



If you going to get that great a rifle I don't see why you shouldn't get it with the reach of the .338 Lapua! Good choice!



True, but only if that reach is worth and EXTRA $35-$40 per box of ammo. Are you capable of shooting to the ranges .338LM can reach? Yes Better yet, can you utilize the area PAST what the .300 WinMag is effective at? Yes, I think the .338LM is a good in between round, almost capable of the distance of a .50BMG with similar penetration capability.

Just some things to ponder. Especially the price of ammo when it comes to 338LM.

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My wife owns an AR30 she'll be taking it with her to Precision Rifle I and II next year at Blackwater. I reload for it and will soon for her .50 cal AR50 also. .338LM brass is $130 per 100pcs (genuine Lapua brand brass), but once thats paid for I usually make 100 rounds for about $35-50 depending on the projectile used. We're working on its sixth loading and now it finally needs trimming. 100 rounds uses right at 1lb of H4831SC. Factory ammo is $55 to $80 per 20 rounds. The most accurate loads in her AR30 are the 300gr Sierra BTHP MATCHKINGs.

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Posted: 10/22/2004 7:32:03 AM
I would be doing my own handloads and the distance that I would be shooting most of the time with her would be 600 yards. I'm leaning with the .338 seeing as though it bridges the gap between the 300 Win Mag and the .50 BMG. I also can't shoot 50 BMG at the range I belong to. The AR-30 is also a possibility. Hey GOTM4, how do you like the AR30? How is the trigger and how is the stock because I'm wondering about cheek weld?
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Posted: 10/22/2004 7:56:03 AM

Originally Posted By Tazaroo:
I would be doing my own handloads and the distance that I would be shooting most of the time with her would be 600 yards. I'm leaning with the .338 seeing as though it bridges the gap between the 300 Win Mag and the .50 BMG. I also can't shoot 50 BMG at the range I belong to. The AR-30 is also a possibility. Hey GOTM4, how do you like the AR30? How is the trigger and how is the stock because I'm wondering about cheek weld?



Cheek weld/fit is perfect. The trigger is cheap and thin from the factory though ArmaLite claims it's a Shilen. The AR30 and AR50 use Remington 700 trigger assemblies. I've replaced them both with Timneys which have a much wider trigger and are easy to adjust. I've adjusted both to right around 2lbs. Both muzzle brakes do such an efficient job that you can easily shoot both all day long without pain. The AR30 has less recoil than a friends Rem 700VSS in .308!
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Posted: 10/22/2004 7:59:38 AM
If you want a good deal on an .338 AR-30 check out this thread at the EE AR30 For sale

This is my friend who is selling this rifle and I shot a group out of it. It's sub MOA. He loaded up some initial handloads and it shot just under .75 MOA. I think with some handloading tinkering this rifle will be a solid 1/2 MOA rifle. Check it out. He also has brass and dies and bullets for it which he was going to sell seperately but might give it to you as a group deal. Drop him an e-mail at leatherlid@sbcglobal.net if you're interested. His name is Steve.
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Posted: 10/22/2004 12:19:03 PM
For 600 yds I would go with the .300 WM. I wouldn't bother with the .338 Lapua unless you were shooting out to 1000 yds or more. That's just my opinon, you just should buy what ever makes you happy.
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Posted: 10/22/2004 1:33:12 PM
If a majority of your shooting is going to be less than 1200 yards, I'd go for the 300WM. Less muzzle blast, less recoil (even factoring in a good muzzle break for both rounds) and most import, quite a bit less money per round. The 338 LM is an expensive round to shoot. Reloading will save you some, but overall it will still cost more than the 300 WM.
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Posted: 10/22/2004 2:06:30 PM
Get the 338LM and then put on an AR30 muzle brake on it...and make sure your a bit further down the line than the other shouters..the recoil with that brake is less than a 308
the noize though its another story...
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Posted: 10/22/2004 5:43:11 PM
I can agree with that. My friend was firing his and I was in his baffles looking through a spotting scope. He didn't realize it and I got the full blast from the AR-30 muzzle break in the face. Man that was a blast The AR-30 does have a very good break. The 338 actually recoiled much less than my 300WM and a little more than my .308, only a little. That break is incredible.
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Posted: 10/22/2004 6:04:12 PM
The range that I shoot at my be going out to 1,000 yards within the next few years so the extra power of the .338 could be necessary. Has anyone seen the LM 105 projectiles that are available for the .338 Lapua. They look like an evil Barnes solid with these rings around the circumference of the projectile.
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Posted: 10/22/2004 6:05:46 PM
Tazaroo

I'm the one Rob01 spoke of, selling my AR-30. I have a 300WM and the 338LM here are some points to consider, yes it can be expensive to shoot if you don't reload. I reload and have saved a bunch, I prefer 300GR sierra matchking BTHP with retumbo powder and easily hit sub MOA
.75 MOA to be exact and with a little tweeking I could get .50MOA. As far as recoil, with the AR-30's muzzle break its no worse than a 308. When it comes to distance, its a great all around shooter, whether zeroing in at 100yds or reaching out at 1000yds this thing is a tack driver all the way. I prefer it over my 300WM and the ONLY reason for selling it is, I need to make room for another project. I have everything you need to get setup and running, from dies to bullets and brass, to all mounts and rings. I also have a scope to go with it if you need one. Drop me line if your intrested or want more info. leatherlid@sbcglobal.net

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Posted: 10/22/2004 6:08:44 PM
I guess if you can afford a Sako TRG-42 you can afford the ammo.
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Posted: 10/22/2004 6:26:06 PM
I have an ar30 as well in 338 lapua, though it's a good rifle it's not a Sako TRG! I'd take the TRG over the AR30 any day. Only problem is finding one!
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Posted: 10/23/2004 2:26:42 AM
If you want to find one IM me.

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Sorry...I don't think I will be able to offer them...

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Posted: 10/25/2004 9:09:21 PM
I would think recoil and flinch are even more of an issue in a .338 - but I've never shot one. Anyone care to comment?
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Posted: 10/25/2004 9:21:55 PM
I remember reading an article long ago about the history of the .338 Lapua Mag. I distinctively remember them talking about ALWAYS having a muzzle brake on a weapon chambered in this cartridge. They said the recoil has been known to create permanent flinches in even season shooters. That, of course, is there opinion, but I believe you are right, the recoil will probably be your main concern.

Remember, you are pushing around 250gr of lead at OVER 3000 fps. That's enough to ruin anybodies day!!

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Posted: 10/25/2004 9:42:24 PM

Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
I would think recoil and flinch are even more of an issue in a .338 - but I've never shot one. Anyone care to comment?



Without a break I would say yes you could definately develope a flinch soon but with a break the recoil isn't bad at all. Like I said earlier the AR-30 recoil is much less than my 300WM and a little more than my .308. It's very manigable. I wouldn't want to fire a .338LM without a break for any amount of time unless the rifle weighed about 25-30 pounds