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Posted: 7/29/2012 12:41:46 AM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT I do have a ballon policy due to my work but wasn't sure if it would cover anything or not. This is kinda just an idea to start small and pay for my own hobbies but could lead to quite a bit of work since local gunsmiths are about 6-9 months out for much work. If I find that its gonna be ridiculous for insurance etc, it may kill my idea so any advice would be great. Thanks, Nathan |
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Posted: 7/29/2012 3:46:55 PM
[Last Edit: 7/29/2012 3:50:40 PM by dfariswheel]
Generally, if you're going to work on other peoples guns you need insurance.
As far as I know, these days a liability waver is worthless. First, you need insurance to cover guns that are lost, stolen, or damaged in something like a fire. Second you need liability insurance if someone gets hurt or a gun you worked on is damaged, ie, a gun blows up on someone. It doesn't matter if all you did was sight a gun in for someone and the action later explodes because the owner fed it an overloaded round, YOU will get the blame and the lawsuits. The owner will deny he did anything wrong. This can happen YEARS after you worked on the gun and have long since forgotten about it. Next, if you allow customers to enter the property, you need insurance if someone gets hurt, ie slips on some ice on the driveway or stumbles and falls down. You'll need some kind of "I botched it" insurance. Whether you actually make a mistake on a gun and damage it or the customer is just unhappy, you're the one who gets sued. Last of all, NEVER think that your absolute best, life long "like a brother" friend or even relative won't sue you over a gun. Some of the bitterest disputes I ever saw were close friends and relatives. In all of the above, it's not necessary for a gun to actually be damaged, just that the customer THINKS it's not right. Often, no matter what you do, you will not satisfy a customer like this, and there ARE plenty of people like that around. Always remember, that the cheap Walmart Remington Express shotgun you worked on will suddenly become an extremely expensive collectors model custom gun costing huge amounts of money. |
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Posted: 7/29/2012 6:47:58 PM
That's some excellent, and sobering advice for aspiring gunsmiths. The pie in the sky, " I'll just make a few bucks doing small jobs for friends" meets cold harsh reality.
I think I'll just stick to working on my own....... |
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Posted: 7/29/2012 6:57:41 PM
[Last Edit: 7/29/2012 7:27:04 PM by firfly]
Originally Posted By PR361:
That's some excellent, and sobering advice for aspiring gunsmiths. The pie in the sky, " I'll just make a few bucks doing small jobs for friends" meets cold harsh reality. I think I'll just stick to working on my own....... First thing the ffl, second go through the nra for insurance, guns are like anything else and no you cannot be held responsible,for somethonf that happens seven years down the road. You will learn alot getting your ffl dont get discouraged and half of what you read on a internet sight is bs, when you are talking ffl.If you want a good answer talk to those with their ffl. If someone gets hurt on your property I would hope you already have home owners insurance? Yep thats what is for, also be ready to pay about $170 getting your ffl, I suggest ffl123, the info is worth it and its gauranteed, then application depending on what type ffl you desire, if you want SOT add another $500 per year, then be prepared to get finger printed and a long wait followed by meeting with a atf agent. I beleive $170 would probably cover everything you would need for gunsmithing. The real tail kicker is ITAR if you go type07. GFWestTexasFirearms Type 07 manufacture The more ffl holders the better! ;) |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 9:11:23 AM
[Last Edit: 7/30/2012 9:12:24 AM by DitchDr]
Originally Posted By firfly:
Originally Posted By PR361:
That's some excellent, and sobering advice for aspiring gunsmiths. The pie in the sky, " I'll just make a few bucks doing small jobs for friends" meets cold harsh reality. I think I'll just stick to working on my own....... First thing the ffl, second go through the nra for insurance, guns are like anything else and no you cannot be held responsible,for somethonf that happens seven years down the road. You will learn alot getting your ffl dont get discouraged and half of what you read on a internet sight is bs, when you are talking ffl.If you want a good answer talk to those with their ffl. If someone gets hurt on your property I would hope you already have home owners insurance? Yep thats what is for, also be ready to pay about $170 getting your ffl, I suggest ffl123, the info is worth it and its gauranteed, then application depending on what type ffl you desire, if you want SOT add another $500 per year, then be prepared to get finger printed and a long wait followed by meeting with a atf agent. I beleive $170 would probably cover everything you would need for gunsmithing. The real tail kicker is ITAR if you go type07. GFWestTexasFirearms Type 07 manufacture The more ffl holders the better! ;) I don't want to derail this thread but you DO NOT have to pay ITAR to have a type 07 FFL. There has been quite a bit of discussion on that topic in another thread and some people still don't get it. Just want the OP to have accurate information. Please don't turn this thread into an argument about it though. If you disagree please discuss it in the proper thread. |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 1:01:16 PM
So about how much yearly does most insurance cost for this? Do you guys just get liability or what?
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Posted: 7/30/2012 2:41:26 PM
The smart move here is to talk to the NRA. They can tell you the facts on what you need, and may offer much of it.
You can also talk to a local insurance agent, remembering that they will often try to over-insure you. Always keep in mind that we live in a sue-happy time and while they may loose in court, YOU will still be out lawyer fees at a minimum. Also, never count on a jury being reasonable and seeing that you're not responsible, especially if someone gets hurt. Being a professional gunsmith today isn't like it was when I started back in the early 1970's. |
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