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Posted: 10/17/2016 9:33:48 PM EDT
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I ordered some from KYGUNCO a couple weeks ago; all were cz usa marked new style, 3/16
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Posted: 10/18/2016 8:19:11 PM EDT
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My mags from Prepper Gun Shop came today. Mags are 5/16 and CZ USA.
Before ordering I asked if they were the new or old style and in addition to confirming that they were the new ones the CS guy said they're selling like 200 a week! |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 12:51:09 PM EDT
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On the CZ FORUM the cracked mag problem is thought in part to be related to lubrication. Do NOT use Miltec-1. http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=81913.15 http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=81913.45 GREAT LINKS! Even the new rounded mags are cracking with Miltec-1. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 11:47:40 AM EDT
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midway order came in yesterday. All rounded lip mags
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Posted: 10/20/2016 4:32:31 PM EDT
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GREAT LINKS! Even the new rounded mags are cracking with Miltec-1. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On the CZ FORUM the cracked mag problem is thought in part to be related to lubrication. Do NOT use Miltec-1. http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=81913.15 http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=81913.45 GREAT LINKS! Even the new rounded mags are cracking with Miltec-1. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 10:34:28 PM EDT
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So..when I bought my Evo...I bought a metric fuckload of mags to go with it. This was before there was really any determination ( and to my thinking there still ISN'T a final determination ) as to what the issue was.
Guess what EVERY single damn magazine is? Yeah. I am really starting to hate this gun. Seriously fucking hate it. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 11:30:46 PM EDT
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So..when I bought my Evo...I bought a metric fuckload of mags to go with it. This was before there was really any determination ( and to my thinking there still ISN'T a final determination ) as to what the issue was. Guess what EVERY single damn magazine is? Yeah. I am really starting to hate this gun. Seriously fucking hate it. Love the gun. Hate the sights that can't zero. Really hate the magazines that might or might not crack and fail leaving me with a paperweight. |
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Posted: 10/22/2016 12:00:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Love the gun. Hate the sights that can't zero. Really hate the magazines that might or might not crack and fail leaving me with a paperweight. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So..when I bought my Evo...I bought a metric fuckload of mags to go with it. This was before there was really any determination ( and to my thinking there still ISN'T a final determination ) as to what the issue was. Guess what EVERY single damn magazine is? Yeah. I am really starting to hate this gun. Seriously fucking hate it. Love the gun. Hate the sights that can't zero. Really hate the magazines that might or might not crack and fail leaving me with a paperweight. MagPul MBus sights are what you seek. I modded my factory sights so that they could be adjusted......and still went back to the magpul sights. I much prefer them. As for the mags....I have a feeling we are all screwed. Thanks a lot of letting us down CZ. We REALLLLLY appreciate that. |
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Posted: 10/22/2016 12:49:01 AM EDT
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Aren't AR height sights way too high?
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Posted: 10/22/2016 5:35:00 AM EDT
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So..when I bought my Evo...I bought a metric fuckload of mags to go with it. This was before there was really any determination ( and to my thinking there still ISN'T a final determination ) as to what the issue was. Guess what EVERY single damn magazine is? Yeah. I am really starting to hate this gun. Seriously fucking hate it. Broken? Or just the old style? I've got a dozen or so old style mags. None have broken. All are working fine. This isn't a systemic issue with all the mags. If your old mags broke, contact CZ and they'll send you new ones that are the new style. If you hate the gun because of internet reports of a few broken mags and all of yours work fine? Tone down the drama. |
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Posted: 10/22/2016 6:13:54 AM EDT
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Broken? Or just the old style? I've got a dozen or so old style mags. None have broken. All are working fine. This isn't a systemic issue with all the mags. If your old mags broke, contact CZ and they'll send you new ones that are the new style. If you hate the gun because of internet reports of a few broken mags and all of yours work fine? Tone down the drama. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So..when I bought my Evo...I bought a metric fuckload of mags to go with it. This was before there was really any determination ( and to my thinking there still ISN'T a final determination ) as to what the issue was. Guess what EVERY single damn magazine is? Yeah. I am really starting to hate this gun. Seriously fucking hate it. Broken? Or just the old style? I've got a dozen or so old style mags. None have broken. All are working fine. This isn't a systemic issue with all the mags. If your old mags broke, contact CZ and they'll send you new ones that are the new style. If you hate the gun because of internet reports of a few broken mags and all of yours work fine? Tone down the drama. I bought 10 of the 30 round mags so far 3 have cracked. 30% is pretty significant in my opinion. And they were all fine until they weren't. |
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Posted: 10/22/2016 11:50:27 AM EDT
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Broken? Or just the old style? I've got a dozen or so old style mags. None have broken. All are working fine. This isn't a systemic issue with all the mags. If your old mags broke, contact CZ and they'll send you new ones that are the new style. If you hate the gun because of internet reports of a few broken mags and all of yours work fine? Tone down the drama. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So..when I bought my Evo...I bought a metric fuckload of mags to go with it. This was before there was really any determination ( and to my thinking there still ISN'T a final determination ) as to what the issue was. Guess what EVERY single damn magazine is? Yeah. I am really starting to hate this gun. Seriously fucking hate it. Broken? Or just the old style? I've got a dozen or so old style mags. None have broken. All are working fine. This isn't a systemic issue with all the mags. If your old mags broke, contact CZ and they'll send you new ones that are the new style. If you hate the gun because of internet reports of a few broken mags and all of yours work fine? Tone down the drama. Have you kept them loaded? What year? I have had my mags for just under three months. Three out of nine are cracking. |
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Posted: 10/22/2016 2:00:07 PM EDT
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Have you kept them loaded? What year? I have had my mags for just under three months. Three out of nine are cracking. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So..when I bought my Evo...I bought a metric fuckload of mags to go with it. This was before there was really any determination ( and to my thinking there still ISN'T a final determination ) as to what the issue was. Guess what EVERY single damn magazine is? Yeah. I am really starting to hate this gun. Seriously fucking hate it. Broken? Or just the old style? I've got a dozen or so old style mags. None have broken. All are working fine. This isn't a systemic issue with all the mags. If your old mags broke, contact CZ and they'll send you new ones that are the new style. If you hate the gun because of internet reports of a few broken mags and all of yours work fine? Tone down the drama. Have you kept them loaded? What year? I have had my mags for just under three months. Three out of nine are cracking. Yes, loaded. They're between 3 and 11 in 2015. If your mags are breaking, send them to cz and get new ones. |
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Posted: 10/22/2016 2:07:39 PM EDT
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I just sent them back. I'm not concerned about right now, but rather five or ten years from now, when they might be irreplaceable.
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Posted: 10/22/2016 2:10:38 PM EDT
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I just sent them back. I'm not concerned about right now, but rather five or ten years from now, when they might be irreplaceable. Unfortunately, that's a downside of magazines in general. They wear out, and throughout history they've been treated as disposable for that reason. Stack them deep. |
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Posted: 10/22/2016 2:59:50 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, that's a downside of magazines in general. They wear out, and throughout history they've been treated as disposable for that reason. Stack them deep. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just sent them back. I'm not concerned about right now, but rather five or ten years from now, when they might be irreplaceable. Unfortunately, that's a downside of magazines in general. They wear out, and throughout history they've been treated as disposable for that reason. Stack them deep. I don't disagree, but the problem here isn't typical mags wearing out. It is brand new mags breaking, often without use, in large numbers. |
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Posted: 10/22/2016 3:30:51 PM EDT
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I don't disagree, but the problem here isn't typical mags wearing out. It is brand new mags breaking, often without use, in large numbers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just sent them back. I'm not concerned about right now, but rather five or ten years from now, when they might be irreplaceable. Unfortunately, that's a downside of magazines in general. They wear out, and throughout history they've been treated as disposable for that reason. Stack them deep. I don't disagree, but the problem here isn't typical mags wearing out. It is brand new mags breaking, often without use, in large numbers. Numbers of broken mags is, per CZ, still less than a tenth of a percent being reported to them. Broken mags definitely suck. But it's increasingly looking like it was a bad batch of polymer, combined with the use of certain lubricants that don't interact well with plastic. The gun is fantastic, and the vast majority of the mags work fine. If you're concerned, load all your mags to capacity and beat the crap out of them. If they break, send them to cz and get the new ones. |
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Posted: 10/22/2016 6:03:06 PM EDT
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Thats the current plan until future unavailability. While I know that CZ is saying (not publicly though) that they have fixed the problem and that less than 1% of magazines are being returned...that doesn't seem to be the experience of those who have left the mags loaded. No company is going to admit to a 30% failure rate without a recall though...
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Posted: 10/22/2016 7:12:04 PM EDT
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I have had 3 out of 10 crack. I filled out the warranty repair form on their website but have not heard anything from them. Is that how everyone else returned thier mags?
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Posted: 10/22/2016 7:18:29 PM EDT
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Thats the current plan until future unavailability. While I know that CZ is saying (not publicly though) that they have fixed the problem and that less than 1% of magazines are being returned...that doesn't seem to be the experience of those who have left the mags loaded. No company is going to admit to a 30% failure rate without a recall though... Most of the threads on boards talking about mag cracks are a few people that have had it happen, and then a bunch of pages of those people talking back and forth, and a bunch of others panicking about their mags and asking questions. There's nothing to indicate it's a far reaching problem, and with the sheer number of mags sold, it'd be a lot more obvious. |
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Posted: 10/22/2016 11:33:13 PM EDT
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Head on over to ETS's Industry forum and help us talk them into making Scorpion mags
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Posted: 10/23/2016 12:27:25 AM EDT
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Head on over to ETS's Industry forum and help us talk them into making Scorpion mags I did so. Honestly, the more companies developing mags, the better. Ironically, the nice thing about the scorpion's mags being so cheap is that a lot of mag manufacturers aren't wanting to get into the game because they can't make them cheap enough to make a profit. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 1:06:12 AM EDT
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I did so. Honestly, the more companies developing mags, the better. Ironically, the nice thing about the scorpion's mags being so cheap is that a lot of mag manufacturers aren't wanting to get into the game because they can't make them cheap enough to make a profit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Head on over to ETS's Industry forum and help us talk them into making Scorpion mags I did so. Honestly, the more companies developing mags, the better. Ironically, the nice thing about the scorpion's mags being so cheap is that a lot of mag manufacturers aren't wanting to get into the game because they can't make them cheap enough to make a profit. A more durable mag could be worth the extra cost. I'm thinking anything less than double the current market price of EVO mags with demonstrably superior durability might have a chance. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:02:06 AM EDT
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I have had 3 out of 10 crack. I filled out the warranty repair form on their website but have not heard anything from them. Is that how everyone else returned thier mags? No Call them and they will email you a return label. Put a note in the box saying you would like to exchange them because they cracked. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 12:04:54 PM EDT
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FYI, I just returned some bad mags with the CZ pre-paid return authorization and was told they are out of the 30 rounders and will have to wait for restock. No biggie I can wait.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 1:53:17 PM EDT
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Most of the threads on boards talking about mag cracks are a few people that have had it happen, and then a bunch of pages of those people talking back and forth, and a bunch of others panicking about their mags and asking questions. There's nothing to indicate it's a far reaching problem, and with the sheer number of mags sold, it'd be a lot more obvious. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thats the current plan until future unavailability. While I know that CZ is saying (not publicly though) that they have fixed the problem and that less than 1% of magazines are being returned...that doesn't seem to be the experience of those who have left the mags loaded. No company is going to admit to a 30% failure rate without a recall though... Most of the threads on boards talking about mag cracks are a few people that have had it happen, and then a bunch of pages of those people talking back and forth, and a bunch of others panicking about their mags and asking questions. There's nothing to indicate it's a far reaching problem, and with the sheer number of mags sold, it'd be a lot more obvious. +1 It's really not that widespread. Some individual retailers are sending out hundreds of mags a week right now! I doubt there are even 100 individual people that have experienced a cracked mag (but the first law of internet says that everyone who did, will post about it). |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 5:08:34 PM EDT
[#27]
Thats 200% true..
..but when replacement mags crack as well its when I start to get pissed... I really love the gun and I really consider it the only mp5 alternative but the mag issue is annoying... For now I'm not buying new mags untill the issue seems to be fixed or someone will start offering better mags. Getting a replacement here in EU is a real PITA btw.. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:36:48 PM EDT
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Thats 200% true.. ..but when replacement mags crack as well its when I start to get pissed... I really love the gun and I really consider it the only mp5 alternative but the mag issue is annoying... For now I'm not buying new mags untill the issue seems to be fixed or someone will start offering better mags. Getting a replacement here in EU is a real PITA btw.. It is fixed. Get rounded mags and don't use that miltec lube... |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 11:57:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Broken? Or just the old style? I've got a dozen or so old style mags. None have broken. All are working fine. This isn't a systemic issue with all the mags. If your old mags broke, contact CZ and they'll send you new ones that are the new style. If you hate the gun because of internet reports of a few broken mags and all of yours work fine? Tone down the drama. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So..when I bought my Evo...I bought a metric fuckload of mags to go with it. This was before there was really any determination ( and to my thinking there still ISN'T a final determination ) as to what the issue was. Guess what EVERY single damn magazine is? Yeah. I am really starting to hate this gun. Seriously fucking hate it. Broken? Or just the old style? I've got a dozen or so old style mags. None have broken. All are working fine. This isn't a systemic issue with all the mags. If your old mags broke, contact CZ and they'll send you new ones that are the new style. If you hate the gun because of internet reports of a few broken mags and all of yours work fine? Tone down the drama. I've already had one of 30 crack because I looked at it funny. Now, granted, I am VERY ugly and the mag WAS loaded to 30 rounds......but I looked at loaded magpuls all the time....not only are they UV and ugly resistant....but they don't spontaneously crack for no reason. I'd load 'em all and let em sit and see.....but with CZ churning these out at an insane rate....how good are the replacements? The Evo has some GREAT stuff going for it....but spontaneously combusting magazines is not one of them. ....and the "it's okay your hammer looks like a portobello mushroom after 300 rounds" crap is just that....CRAP. It's "normal".....REALLY.....seriously?????? What a crock. I have no problem holding manufacturer's feet to the fire on poor quality. Seriously....why the hell should I have to WAIT until some random number of my mags crack before getting them replaced IF there is a viable solutions that prevents it that has put onto the market. My 1911 mags aren't going to explode any time soon.....nor are my Ruger 10/22 mags......and Ruger mags are plastic, too. |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 12:48:47 PM EDT
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It is fixed. Get rounded mags and don't use that miltec lube... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thats 200% true.. ..but when replacement mags crack as well its when I start to get pissed... I really love the gun and I really consider it the only mp5 alternative but the mag issue is annoying... For now I'm not buying new mags untill the issue seems to be fixed or someone will start offering better mags. Getting a replacement here in EU is a real PITA btw.. It is fixed. Get rounded mags and don't use that miltec lube... Im sorry but I dont consider it fixed as long as I must be careful XYZ lube doesnt get in contact with it. Also I can not choose between new/old gen mags when I place an order... When I got my first mags in 2013 directly from CZ i received a mix of 2011 and 2012 manufactured mags. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 11:02:40 AM EDT
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Scratch Scorpion off my shopping list. Expect executive order banning large capacity magazine soon. And all your plastic magazines crack. What you gona do ? Back to good old AR. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 11:40:09 AM EDT
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I love ARs too, but for 9mm they're less than optimal. I'll be enjoying my CZ while I "wait" for any potential ban though.
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Posted: 10/25/2016 12:10:34 PM EDT
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Checked the magazines I have stored fully loaded for since about June, no signs of any issues.
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Posted: 11/16/2016 5:29:05 PM EDT
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I received my two replacements today. They are the newer style.
But now I found another cracked one!! This now makes 5 out of 10! I called and got another return label but the guys said they are currently out of stock and don't know when more are coming  .
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Posted: 11/16/2016 5:54:50 PM EDT
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I received my two replacements today. They are the newer style. But now I found another cracked one!! This now makes 5 out of 10! I called and got another return label but the guys said they are currently out of stock and don't know when more are coming .ETS thread, they haven't committed to making them but have said they are looking into some things. |
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Posted: 11/17/2016 3:25:29 PM EDT
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I received my two replacements today. They are the newer style. But now I found another cracked one!! This now makes 5 out of 10! I called and got another return label but the guys said they are currently out of stock and don't know when more are coming .CZ got a new batch in last week, send in all of your gen1 mags for replacement. If they aren't cracked, find a way to make them cracked. I've got a safe full of updated mags now |
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Posted: 11/19/2016 3:30:35 PM EDT
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I just got 3 replacements yesterday. I went to put them with the rest of my scorpion mags and found bullets everywhere. Another one of my mags completely lost its feed lips.
I have had 4 out of my 10 mags crack. |
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Posted: 11/19/2016 4:12:14 PM EDT
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I just got 3 replacements yesterday. I went to put them with the rest of my scorpion mags and found bullets everywhere. Another one of my mags completely lost its feed lips. I have had 4 out of my 10 mags crack. Dates on mags? Cleaning them with any particular lubricants, such as militec? |
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Posted: 11/19/2016 4:18:45 PM EDT
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The mag cracking is not a none issue for me. Bought 12, and so far three have cracked and been replaced. All 2015 construction. Another one has cracked since I sent in the other three. Another 2015. I have mostly 2016 round edge mags now and I'm watching them. I hope it's fixed, but it seems the polymer is somewhat fragile as even the 2016 mags pretty much shatter if wiped with militec. I really want the problem to be fixed, but I'm not 100% confident yet.
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Posted: 11/19/2016 8:49:36 PM EDT
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I just got 3 replacements yesterday. I went to put them with the rest of my scorpion mags and found bullets everywhere. Another one of my mags completely lost its feed lips. I have had 4 out of my 10 mags crack. Dates on mags? Cleaning them with any particular lubricants, such as militec? Dates on the mags were April 2015. I don't clean the mags themselves. I used breakfeast to clean the gun and fp9 for lube |
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Posted: 11/20/2016 8:59:29 AM EDT
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I clean them with soap and warm water and then wipe the inside down with Armor All . No need to have oils or cleaners anywhere near that mag.
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Posted: 11/20/2016 1:10:54 PM EDT
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I clean them with soap and warm water and then wipe the inside down with Armor All . No need to have oils or cleaners anywhere near that mag. Uh-Oh......the directions on the Armor All bottle state, "DO NOT USE ON CLEAR PLASTICS"........ |
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Posted: 11/20/2016 2:58:48 PM EDT
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Uh-Oh......the directions on the Armor All bottle state, "DO NOT USE ON CLEAR PLASTICS"........ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I clean them with soap and warm water and then wipe the inside down with Armor All . No need to have oils or cleaners anywhere near that mag. Uh-Oh......the directions on the Armor All bottle state, "DO NOT USE ON CLEAR PLASTICS"........ I believe that is for the streaking /smearing affect it has on clear plastics like instrument panels. It's mostly water and never had had any problems using it on clear plastic 10/22 mags. |
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