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Posted: 4/13/2016 3:17:02 PM EDT
I've been looking everywhere and can't find any announcement. The gun was announced in Nov, reviewed by Colon Noir, and at shot show they said a few months. Are we close? I'm feeling the itch.
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I have heard June or July..............local LGS has my number for when they come in..........
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I've been looking everywhere and can't find any announcement. The gun was announced in Nov, reviewed by Colon Noir, and at shot show they said a few months. Are we close? I'm feeling the itch. View Quote Last recent update from CZ is that they are waiting for ATF approval. ATF is busy doing other stuff so they have no idea when it will be approved. |
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Last recent update from CZ is that they are waiting for ATF approval. ATF is busy doing other stuff so they have no idea when it will be approved. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I've been looking everywhere and can't find any announcement. The gun was announced in Nov, reviewed by Colon Noir, and at shot show they said a few months. Are we close? I'm feeling the itch. Last recent update from CZ is that they are waiting for ATF approval. ATF is busy doing other stuff so they have no idea when it will be approved. Well that blows. |
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Per my point of contact at CZ-USA the Scorpion 16" carbines have started shipping to distributors as of last week- they will start showing up for sale very soon.
Sven Manticore Arms |
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Put one w/ the faux can on order yesterday. Our rep says 'soon', but I figure there's more than enough time to shop for upgrade parts and select an optic.
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Put one w/ the faux can on order yesterday. Our rep says 'soon', but I figure there's more than enough time to shop for upgrade parts and select an optic. View Quote I'm thinking a Trijicon RMR Dual Illum or a Reflex. I'm planning on using it for USPSA PCC and I like the bigger dot, easier to find in a hurry. Otherwise I'd go AimPoint T1 or whatever the latest is. |
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Quoted: I'm thinking a Trijicon RMR Dual Illum or a Reflex. I'm planning on using it for USPSA PCC and I like the bigger dot, easier to find in a hurry. Otherwise I'd go AimPoint T1 or whatever the latest is. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Put one w/ the faux can on order yesterday. Our rep says 'soon', but I figure there's more than enough time to shop for upgrade parts and select an optic. I'm thinking a Trijicon RMR Dual Illum or a Reflex. I'm planning on using it for USPSA PCC and I like the bigger dot, easier to find in a hurry. Otherwise I'd go AimPoint T1 or whatever the latest is. Was thinking about an Trijicon MRO, maybe another Mepro RDS, but I don't have any Aimpoint products currently, perhaps time to change that. I'm making a list and checking it twice. |
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I'm wanting to order one... but I want to know about the difference in barrels - does the faux suppressor barrel actually have a short barrel with a pinned fake can on it?
I'm definitely going to SBR when I get one, and use my can on it. I just want to go with whichever version will end up being the easiest to SBR. |
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I'm wanting to order one... but I want to know about the difference in barrels - does the faux suppressor barrel actually have a short barrel with a pinned fake can on it? I'm definitely going to SBR when I get one, and use my can on it. I just want to go with whichever version will end up being the easiest to SBR. View Quote That's a good question. I think it's easier to make the pistol an SBR though isn't it? |
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Excellent question and one I asked our distributor's armorer, but he couldn't answer as they haven't seen them yet. My guess, it's mostly likely pinned to make it 16.2", less likely that it's a shroud.
I wonder if we could get some details out of SilencerCo since they build the faux can? CZ was saying that the 08505 (or 08506 10rd mag version) could be 'easily converted...or ready to be convert to SBR'. Although, as I search for it I'm not finding that description any longer. What are you planning to upgrade? So far I know I'm going to change the safety but haven't decided with what, possibly trigger springs (want to shoot it first), and add a rear QD socket from Parker Mountain. That fast paddle release from Gear Head Works also looks interesting. It's good to have choices. |
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That's a good question. I think it's easier to make the pistol an SBR though isn't it? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm wanting to order one... but I want to know about the difference in barrels - does the faux suppressor barrel actually have a short barrel with a pinned fake can on it? I'm definitely going to SBR when I get one, and use my can on it. I just want to go with whichever version will end up being the easiest to SBR. That's a good question. I think it's easier to make the pistol an SBR though isn't it? From a "do I have to cut this barrel, and have it crowned and threaded" standpoint, probably. From a "shit, I have to take it apart and replace a bunch of parts to be 922r compliant" standpoint, probably not. |
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That's a good question. I think it's easier to make the pistol an SBR though isn't it? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm wanting to order one... but I want to know about the difference in barrels - does the faux suppressor barrel actually have a short barrel with a pinned fake can on it? I'm definitely going to SBR when I get one, and use my can on it. I just want to go with whichever version will end up being the easiest to SBR. That's a good question. I think it's easier to make the pistol an SBR though isn't it? I'm guessing the carbine will be easier to SBR, but I guess it depends on what you call "easy". The carbine just needs a barrel swap (or cut+rethread). The pistol needs a stock+922 parts. Barrel swap/work might be cheaper too. As far as the fake suppressor - I'm guessing it has the same 16" threaded barrel, and the fake can just threads on like a shroud. :( It might be better if it has the pistol barrel with a pinned shroud, but I kinda doubt that's the case - pretty sure I read somewhere that both versions of the carbine have the same 1/2-28 threads but there wasn't mention of them having the same barrel so I guess we'll see. |
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As I recall it is a 16" barrel with a slipover fake suppressor, reason being there is no way to actually pin a suppressor on the 8" barrel on the extended forend due to the handguard mounting mettod
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From a "do I have to cut this barrel, and have it crowned and threaded" standpoint, probably. From a "shit, I have to take it apart and replace a bunch of parts to be 922r compliant" standpoint, probably not. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm wanting to order one... but I want to know about the difference in barrels - does the faux suppressor barrel actually have a short barrel with a pinned fake can on it? I'm definitely going to SBR when I get one, and use my can on it. I just want to go with whichever version will end up being the easiest to SBR. That's a good question. I think it's easier to make the pistol an SBR though isn't it? From a "do I have to cut this barrel, and have it crowned and threaded" standpoint, probably. From a "shit, I have to take it apart and replace a bunch of parts to be 922r compliant" standpoint, probably not. Would a barrel have to be cut or can it be swapped with a shorter barrel easily? |
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Would a barrel have to be cut or can it be swapped with a shorter barrel easily? View Quote It could be cut and threaded or you could install a new shorter barrel. Installing a new barrel would require sending it in and paying for fitting the new barrel. The prices i have seen for the new fitting are $60-$100 plus the cost of the new barrel($180). So it would be cheaper to just cut and thread. |
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As I recall it is a 16" barrel with a slipover fake suppressor, reason being there is no way to actually pin a suppressor on the 8" barrel on the extended forend due to the handguard mounting mettod View Quote this, at Shot they said it is going to be a slip over shroud on top of the exact same barrel as on the muzzle brake version, I believe they have confirmed it a few times on their facebook page as well. |
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this, at Shot they said it is going to be a slip over shroud on top of the exact same barrel as on the muzzle brake version, I believe they have confirmed it a few times on their facebook page as well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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As I recall it is a 16" barrel with a slipover fake suppressor, reason being there is no way to actually pin a suppressor on the 8" barrel on the extended forend due to the handguard mounting mettod this, at Shot they said it is going to be a slip over shroud on top of the exact same barrel as on the muzzle brake version, I believe they have confirmed it a few times on their facebook page as well. If that's true, I'll just get the regular barrel version then. Cut/thread when I get it SBR. |
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this, at Shot they said it is going to be a slip over shroud on top of the exact same barrel as on the muzzle brake version, I believe they have confirmed it a few times on their facebook page as well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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As I recall it is a 16" barrel with a slipover fake suppressor, reason being there is no way to actually pin a suppressor on the 8" barrel on the extended forend due to the handguard mounting mettod this, at Shot they said it is going to be a slip over shroud on top of the exact same barrel as on the muzzle brake version, I believe they have confirmed it a few times on their facebook page as well. I would assume the barrel is threaded and they either thread on a muzzle brake or the fake supressor/barrel weight. |
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I would assume the barrel is threaded and they either thread on a muzzle brake or the fake supressor/barrel weight. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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As I recall it is a 16" barrel with a slipover fake suppressor, reason being there is no way to actually pin a suppressor on the 8" barrel on the extended forend due to the handguard mounting mettod this, at Shot they said it is going to be a slip over shroud on top of the exact same barrel as on the muzzle brake version, I believe they have confirmed it a few times on their facebook page as well. I would assume the barrel is threaded and they either thread on a muzzle brake or the fake supressor/barrel weight. it's a shroud, not an extension or barrel weight and has been confirmed multiple times. |
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Quoted:If that's true, I'll just get the regular barrel version then. Cut/thread when I get it SBR. View Quote A lot of people seem to be planning on going that route. I confess, I'm not 100% sure why. I get that there is gonna be a longer hand guard on the rifle one, but the scorpion market is going to be well served in the aftermarket space very soon, and before long the factory carbine hand guard will be the equivalent of the A2 grip from an LPK. Something you take (or leave) off anyway. What am I missing? |
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A lot of people seem to be planning on going that route. I confess, I'm not 100% sure why. I get that there is gonna be a longer hand guard on the rifle one, but the scorpion market is going to be well served in the aftermarket space very soon, and before long the factory carbine hand guard will be the equivalent of the A2 grip from an LPK. Something you take (or leave) off anyway. What am I missing? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:If that's true, I'll just get the regular barrel version then. Cut/thread when I get it SBR. A lot of people seem to be planning on going that route. I confess, I'm not 100% sure why. I get that there is gonna be a longer hand guard on the rifle one, but the scorpion market is going to be well served in the aftermarket space very soon, and before long the factory carbine hand guard will be the equivalent of the A2 grip from an LPK. Something you take (or leave) off anyway. What am I missing? The carbine will come with the stock and US made parts in place for 922 compliance. |
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That is the reason I am getting the carbine
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The carbine will come with the stock and US made parts in place for 922 compliance. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted:If that's true, I'll just get the regular barrel version then. Cut/thread when I get it SBR. A lot of people seem to be planning on going that route. I confess, I'm not 100% sure why. I get that there is gonna be a longer hand guard on the rifle one, but the scorpion market is going to be well served in the aftermarket space very soon, and before long the factory carbine hand guard will be the equivalent of the A2 grip from an LPK. Something you take (or leave) off anyway. What am I missing? The carbine will come with the stock and US made parts in place for 922 compliance. |
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Yeah, that makes sense. I have some confidence that ETS is going to come through and make USA mags, so there'll be less concern about 922 then, especially if you're going to run an aftermarket trigger / muzzle device / stock anyway. Should be good to go... but yeah, 922 brings the suckage and certainly makes the carbine more attractive. Be good for states that ban SBRs too.
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Yeah, that makes sense. I have some confidence that ETS is going to come through and make USA mags, so there'll be less concern about 922 then, especially if you're going to run an aftermarket trigger / muzzle device / stock anyway. Should be good to go... but yeah, 922 brings the suckage and certainly makes the carbine more attractive. Be good for states that ban SBRs too. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote I just want a usable gun without having to wait for or deal with the additional hassle of getting an SBR approved. If down the road I change my mind I can SBR the carbine and have the barrel cut down without having to worry about parts but that's not strictly necessary to enjoy carbine and use it for what I want to use it for. |
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So to all the people saying they will cut and thread the barrel eventually, is cutting and threading a DIY job? Or is it a little more complex and require sending it off to a gunsmith? I know it's hard to say without actually seeing these, but if anyone has any extra info I'm curious on how easy these are to get to SBR configuration. If it does require pulling the barrel then the cost of getting it SBR'd might go up pretty quick.
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So to all the people saying they will cut and thread the barrel eventually, is cutting and threading a DIY job? Or is it a little more complex and require sending it off to a gunsmith? I know it's hard to say without actually seeing these, but if anyone has any extra info I'm curious on how easy these are to get to SBR configuration. If it does require pulling the barrel then the cost of getting it SBR'd might go up pretty quick. View Quote to be done properly it's a job for a gunsmith with a lathe |
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This.............I'd definitely sent it to a competent smith and have it done
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So to all the people saying they will cut and thread the barrel eventually, is cutting and threading a DIY job? Or is it a little more complex and require sending it off to a gunsmith? I know it's hard to say without actually seeing these, but if anyone has any extra info I'm curious on how easy these are to get to SBR configuration. If it does require pulling the barrel then the cost of getting it SBR'd might go up pretty quick. to be done properly it's a job for a gunsmith with a lathe |
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Some seem to have popped up on gun broker for more money than I'd like to spend. That's a good sign that they should start hitting the shelves reasonably soon.
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So to all the people saying they will cut and thread the barrel eventually, is cutting and threading a DIY job? Or is it a little more complex and require sending it off to a gunsmith? I know it's hard to say without actually seeing these, but if anyone has any extra info I'm curious on how easy these are to get to SBR configuration. If it does require pulling the barrel then the cost of getting it SBR'd might go up pretty quick. to be done properly it's a job for a gunsmith with a lathe Thanks guys. How about having a Scorpian rebarreled? Is this something that can be done by just sending it back to CZ? I'm starting to think that with gunsmith pricing it might just make more sense to send the gun back for a complete barrel swap. Also, I apologize in advance for asking this, but are the gen 2 pistols going to have MLOK on the hand gaurd? I remember seeing some reference to a change on the rail, but am getting them confused between the two Gen's of pistol and carbine all coming to market. Thanks |
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You should be able to get it cut and threaded for around $100 total.
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Quoted: Thanks guys. How about having a Scorpian rebarreled? Is this something that can be done by just sending it back to CZ? I'm starting to think that with gunsmith pricing it might just make more sense to send the gun back for a complete barrel swap. Also, I apologize in advance for asking this, but are the gen 2 pistols going to have MLOK on the hand gaurd? I remember seeing some reference to a change on the rail, but am getting them confused between the two Gen's of pistol and carbine all coming to market. Thanks View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: This.............I'd definitely sent it to a competent smith and have it done Quoted: Quoted: So to all the people saying they will cut and thread the barrel eventually, is cutting and threading a DIY job? Or is it a little more complex and require sending it off to a gunsmith? I know it's hard to say without actually seeing these, but if anyone has any extra info I'm curious on how easy these are to get to SBR configuration. If it does require pulling the barrel then the cost of getting it SBR'd might go up pretty quick. to be done properly it's a job for a gunsmith with a lathe Thanks guys. How about having a Scorpian rebarreled? Is this something that can be done by just sending it back to CZ? I'm starting to think that with gunsmith pricing it might just make more sense to send the gun back for a complete barrel swap. Also, I apologize in advance for asking this, but are the gen 2 pistols going to have MLOK on the hand gaurd? I remember seeing some reference to a change on the rail, but am getting them confused between the two Gen's of pistol and carbine all coming to market. Thanks The carbine rail is extended and slick/M-lok. Due to allocating most parts to builds thery likley won't be offered for sale separately for some time, but AR the very least Manticore Arms has some aftermarket forearms coming out. |
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Mine is shipping in the next day or so, so they're in the country and through customs.
Thought I'd have more time to evaluate the various upgrade options. Now I've got to decide on a safety. That AK safety intrigues me. I wish there were more grip options too. Decisions decisions. At least I've already picked up an MRO for the optic. |
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Nice. Just got my quarterly bonus, which wasn't as good as I was hoping... won't cover the full cost of the carbine... I'm about to leave for vacay for a week, visiting a buddy. If I can refrain from spending too much cash, I may look around and order a carbine when I get back.
Are the ones everyone's seeing available the ones with the faux suppressor? I kinda don't want that one. If it's all I can get, well, fuck it. We'll see. |
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Nice. Just got my quarterly bonus, which wasn't as good as I was hoping... won't cover the full cost of the carbine... I'm about to leave for vacay for a week, visiting a buddy. If I can refrain from spending too much cash, I may look around and order a carbine when I get back. Are the ones everyone's seeing available the ones with the faux suppressor? I kinda don't want that one. If it's all I can get, well, fuck it. We'll see. View Quote No I ordered one without the fake can. In fact it was all they ahd in stock when I ordered. I'd have wanted for the regular version personally. |
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Quoted: Nice. Just got my quarterly bonus, which wasn't as good as I was hoping... won't cover the full cost of the carbine... I'm about to leave for vacay for a week, visiting a buddy. If I can refrain from spending too much cash, I may look around and order a carbine when I get back. Are the ones everyone's seeing available the ones with the faux suppressor? I kinda don't want that one. If it's all I can get, well, fuck it. We'll see. View Quote I've got one of each on order. The one with the muzzle device isn't available yet, faux can one is. Not sure why. |
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I have the one with the muzzle break - picked it up on Weds. I've put 50 rounds through it and its great.
Has anyone ditched the factory sights and put MBUS or anything else on theirs? Results? Pics? |
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I have the one with the muzzle break - picked it up on Weds. I've put 50 rounds through it and its great. Has anyone ditched the factory sights and put MBUS or anything else on theirs? Results? Pics? View Quote Ditched them altogether for a red dot. I don't see the need for buis on this. Ymmv HK diopter sights may work, MBuS would be really tall |
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What did you use? What height?
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Ditched them altogether for a red dot. I don't see the need for buis on this. Ymmv HK diopter sights may work, MBuS would be really tall View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I have the one with the muzzle break - picked it up on Weds. I've put 50 rounds through it and its great. Has anyone ditched the factory sights and put MBUS or anything else on theirs? Results? Pics? Ditched them altogether for a red dot. I don't see the need for buis on this. Ymmv HK diopter sights may work, MBuS would be really tall |
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Fresh off the truck, Trying to decide if the trigger pack is welded or not. Do they paint over the weld, top of the spacer? All I need now is for a package from HB Industries to show up. MRO red dot on it at the moment. <a href="http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/heavybombers/media/2016-06-01_zpsk57ni9wp.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah297/heavybombers/2016-06-01_zpsk57ni9wp.jpg</a> View Quote Yep. I need one. That looks great with the MRO. The more I see the MRO, the more I like it. |
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Fresh off the truck, Trying to decide if the trigger pack is welded or not. Do they paint over the weld, top of the spacer? All I need now is for a package from HB Industries to show up. MRO red dot on it at the moment. <a href="http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/heavybombers/media/2016-06-01_zpsk57ni9wp.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah297/heavybombers/2016-06-01_zpsk57ni9wp.jpg</a> View Quote That MRO seems a bit high to me. I am seriously looking at the Trijicon RMR and Reflex because I like the big dot they have. I mean realistically a 6 MOA dot is perfect for this gun. I'm not shooting it much further than 100 yards ever. |
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Quoted: That MRO seems a bit high to me. I am seriously looking at the Trijicon RMR and Reflex because I like the big dot they have. I mean realistically a 6 MOA dot is perfect for this gun. I'm not shooting it much further than 100 yards ever. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Fresh off the truck, Trying to decide if the trigger pack is welded or not. Do they paint over the weld, top of the spacer? All I need now is for a package from HB Industries to show up. MRO red dot on it at the moment. <a href="http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/heavybombers/media/2016-06-01_zpsk57ni9wp.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah297/heavybombers/2016-06-01_zpsk57ni9wp.jpg</a> That MRO seems a bit high to me. I am seriously looking at the Trijicon RMR and Reflex because I like the big dot they have. I mean realistically a 6 MOA dot is perfect for this gun. I'm not shooting it much further than 100 yards ever. I'd put it on about 10 mins before I took the photo. It's the basic Trijicon lower 1/3 mount, but seems suitable. My initial impression, with a solid cheek weld forward on the stock, just behind the hinge, it's comfortable. To get a good sight picture on the iron sights, I have to move my head back to the lower portion of the stock which doesn't feel as natural. Plan to shoot it in a carbine match this weekend if I can get the trigger group cleaned up and new springs installed. I'll know pretty quickly if I need to make some changes to the mount. I've also got a Mepro RDS I could throw on it, but the MRO is quickly growing on me. |
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Fresh off the truck, Trying to decide if the trigger pack is welded or not. Do they paint over the weld, top of the spacer? All I need now is for a package from HB Industries to show up. MRO red dot on it at the moment. <a href="http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/heavybombers/media/2016-06-01_zpsk57ni9wp.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah297/heavybombers/2016-06-01_zpsk57ni9wp.jpg</a> View Quote The welded nut could be seen inside, in front of the trigger group. |
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Quoted: The welded nut could be seen inside, in front of the trigger group. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: ...Trying to decide if the trigger pack is welded or not. Do they paint over the weld, top of the spacer?.. The welded nut could be seen inside, in front of the trigger group. It was definitely welded. I wasn't patient enough to wait on the carbide tipped bit (see the exchange program thread) and it was a lot harder job than it should have been. |
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Nice! That rear QD mount looks like something I need.
I'd also suggest the HB industries refresh pack, or another trigger pack screw replacement. The stock 2mm hex nut strips like it's a top heavy blonde working her way through college. |
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