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Posted: 4/4/2016 5:33:39 PM EDT
Anybody know if the gen 2 Scorpions are shipping yet? I've been getting the usual emails from PSA stating they have the Scorpion in stock. The emails don't say whether or not it is the gen 2 model but April or May is the timeframe the CZ rep gave me for when the gen 2 models should be hitting the states.
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I just bought a gen 1 last week that was supposedly part of the pre-gen 2 release shipment. I'm going to say that if mine is part of the supplementary shipment, the gen 2 is still a few months out.
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I doubt it. I have a feelings that the bulk of what's shipping, and currently available at Palmetto State and Kygunco are the "world-Legal" model that they're trying to get out to satisfy the demand before 41f goes into effect. The "world-legal" model has an oval stamp mark above the Czech Republic markings on the right hand side of the receiver. It also has the welded trigger housing nut which prevents you from making it 922r complient. They also still have the 18x1 threading. This is just conjecture on my part, but I bet I'm right. Hopefully CZ has the replacement trigger housing out quick like as I filed my form 1 today. Here's a link to the CZ trigger swap info.
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I'm hoping the carbine doesn't have the welded trigger housing nut
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I doubt it. I have a feelings that the bulk of what's shipping, and currently available at Palmetto State and Kygunco are the "world-Legal" model that they're trying to get out to satisfy the demand before 41f goes into effect. The "world-legal" model has an oval stamp mark above the Czech Republic markings on the right hand side of the receiver. It also has the welded trigger housing nut which prevents you from making it 922r complient. They also still have the 18x1 threading. This is just conjecture on my part, but I bet I'm right. Hopefully CZ has the replacement trigger housing out quick like as I filed my form 1 today. Here's a link to the CZ trigger swap info. http://cz-usa.com/scorpiontriggerswap/ View Quote |
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That's good info. I haven't been following what's been happening with the Scorpion for a while and this is the first I've heard about the "world legal" version.
I'll keep waiting. |
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It won't. The welded trigger screw was a batch made for a different market. CZ knew that he new molds wouldn't be done in time for people to beat 41p, so they imported the last of the Gen 1's (with welded screws) to the US. The carbines will use the new molds. This means that you shouldn't expect to see them (or Gen 2 pistols) until after July.
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It won't. The welded trigger screw was a batch made for a different market. CZ knew that he new molds wouldn't be done in time for people to beat 41p, so they imported the last of the Gen 1's (with welded screws) to the US. The carbines will use the new molds. This means that you shouldn't expect to see them (or Gen 2 pistols) until after July. View Quote This. CZ saw the huge, unexpected demand for the Evo1 and reallocated a batch that was never intended for the US market in order to get as many guns in the hands of consumers pre-41p. I give them major props for this. They also recognize the welded trigger pack, which was never intended for the US, makes 922r compliance tough. So, they are going to swap out trigger packs free of charge so that anyone wanting a nonwelded trigger pack will get one. I really don't know what more we could ask of them. Well done, CZ. |
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This. CZ saw the huge, unexpected demand for the Evo1 and reallocated a batch that was never intended for the US market in order to get as many guns in the hands of consumers pre-41p. I give them major props for this. They also recognize the welded trigger pack, which was never intended for the US, makes 922r compliance tough. So, they are going to swap out trigger packs free of charge so that anyone wanting a nonwelded trigger pack will get one. I really don't know what more we could ask of them. Well done, CZ. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It won't. The welded trigger screw was a batch made for a different market. CZ knew that he new molds wouldn't be done in time for people to beat 41p, so they imported the last of the Gen 1's (with welded screws) to the US. The carbines will use the new molds. This means that you shouldn't expect to see them (or Gen 2 pistols) until after July. This. CZ saw the huge, unexpected demand for the Evo1 and reallocated a batch that was never intended for the US market in order to get as many guns in the hands of consumers pre-41p. I give them major props for this. They also recognize the welded trigger pack, which was never intended for the US, makes 922r compliance tough. So, they are going to swap out trigger packs free of charge so that anyone wanting a nonwelded trigger pack will get one. I really don't know what more we could ask of them. Well done, CZ. ooh-rah devil dog, I couldn't agree more. Most gun makers wouldn't give 2 shits about 41F or the timing of the situation. I'm seriously considering getting a Bren 805 now, because any gun company with this kind of consideration for the consumer deserves my support. That and the 805 is awesome... |
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This. CZ saw the huge, unexpected demand for the Evo1 and reallocated a batch that was never intended for the US market in order to get as many guns in the hands of consumers pre-41p. I give them major props for this. They also recognize the welded trigger pack, which was never intended for the US, makes 922r compliance tough. So, they are going to swap out trigger packs free of charge so that anyone wanting a nonwelded trigger pack will get one. I really don't know what more we could ask of them. Well done, CZ. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It won't. The welded trigger screw was a batch made for a different market. CZ knew that he new molds wouldn't be done in time for people to beat 41p, so they imported the last of the Gen 1's (with welded screws) to the US. The carbines will use the new molds. This means that you shouldn't expect to see them (or Gen 2 pistols) until after July. This. CZ saw the huge, unexpected demand for the Evo1 and reallocated a batch that was never intended for the US market in order to get as many guns in the hands of consumers pre-41p. I give them major props for this. They also recognize the welded trigger pack, which was never intended for the US, makes 922r compliance tough. So, they are going to swap out trigger packs free of charge so that anyone wanting a nonwelded trigger pack will get one. I really don't know what more we could ask of them. Well done, CZ. +1 to CZ for this |
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That's good.............I came real close to spending my cash on an underfolding AK.............been waffling back and forth between the Scorpion and an AK............hard decision
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It won't. The welded trigger screw was a batch made for a different market. CZ knew that he new molds wouldn't be done in time for people to beat 41p, so they imported the last of the Gen 1's (with welded screws) to the US. The carbines will use the new molds. This means that you shouldn't expect to see them (or Gen 2 pistols) until after July. View Quote |
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I bought the latest CZ scorpion offering from PSA so let's see if it has the wielded trigger. I'm going to form one as soon as I pick it up from the dealer so I hope cz will have the new trigger upgrade ready (nice if it was 922r compliant) by the time my stamp comes in. That is my one major concern. No way to upgrade my sear if I give the cz kit.
Another is the availability of the cz 922r kit with the stock, I really want to have a folding stock on mine. |
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Got an email from CZ USA on Friday. My G2 Scorpion shipped and is due at my FFL on the 1st of June.
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CZ USA called me Thursday to get my credit card info, no shipping notification yet.
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Are you guys buying straight from CZ somehow or a dealer? Curious as to where/how your specifically ordered Gen 2's and are getting shipping notifications from CZ. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Got an email from CZ USA on Friday. My G2 Scorpion shipped and is due at my FFL on the 1st of June. Are you guys buying straight from CZ somehow or a dealer? Curious as to where/how your specifically ordered Gen 2's and are getting shipping notifications from CZ. Me too. Also curious what they charge if this is the case. Msrp? |
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I ordered mine through their law enforcement program. Pretty healthy discount and direct shipping to my FFL.
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I ordered the pistol. I think it was back before Christmas. At the time I hadn't even heard of the carbine but I'd planned on SBr'ing it anyway.
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Are you guys buying straight from CZ somehow or a dealer? Curious as to where/how your specifically ordered Gen 2's and are getting shipping notifications from CZ. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Got an email from CZ USA on Friday. My G2 Scorpion shipped and is due at my FFL on the 1st of June. Are you guys buying straight from CZ somehow or a dealer? Curious as to where/how your specifically ordered Gen 2's and are getting shipping notifications from CZ. I bought thru their LE program. Mine shipped out today. |
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I went through the military purchase program, mine arrived today.
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This is worse than NFA jail waits. I ordered mine through the Mil program at the end of April.
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They mentioned 1,200+ Gen2 Scorpions were in this new batch.
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Aren't they already on "Gen2" after the Laugo version?
They really need to do something to differentiate between models. Can someone post a pic of the 1/2x28mm muzzle when you get it in? |
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Mine is in town for delivery. No I just need my FFL to be home to receive it. He's not very good at that.
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Aren't they already on "Gen2" after the Laugo version? They really need to do something to differentiate between models. Can someone post a pic of the 1/2x28mm muzzle when you get it in? View Quote In stock and thread pics. IMHO...to much M18x1 threads between the barrel nut and the 1/2x28 threads...for the 3-Lug adapter folks....might be bether to stick with all M18x1 threads: https://www.preppergunshop.com/cz-scorpion-evo-3-s1-2016-model-9mm-pistol-7-72-barrel-threaded-1-2x28-2-20rd-mags-91351 From the site above: |
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It won't. The welded trigger screw was a batch made for a different market. CZ knew that he new molds wouldn't be done in time for people to beat 41p, so they imported the last of the Gen 1's (with welded screws) to the US. The carbines will use the new molds. This means that you shouldn't expect to see them (or Gen 2 pistols) until after July. View Quote Are you sure? Because my trigger pack has a welded screw in my carbine. |
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In stock and thread pics. IMHO...to much M18x1 threads between the barrel nut and the 1/2x28 threads...for the 3-Lug adapter folks....might be bether to stick with all M18x1 threads... View Quote Thanks. I snagged one for $750 on GB. They need to just ditch the idea of inventing their own thread pitch. I know it's on the military models already fielded, but nobody wants it. The new 1/2x28 threading is still better than the 18mm adapters though. Those things were some big honkers! |
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Quoted: Are you sure? Because my trigger pack has a welded screw in my carbine. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: It won't. The welded trigger screw was a batch made for a different market. CZ knew that he new molds wouldn't be done in time for people to beat 41p, so they imported the last of the Gen 1's (with welded screws) to the US. The carbines will use the new molds. This means that you shouldn't expect to see them (or Gen 2 pistols) until after July. Are you sure? Because my trigger pack has a welded screw in my carbine. That was CZ-USA's original intent but they posted this update recently. http://cz-usa.com/uncategorized/17198/ With the resounding success of the Scorpion S1 Pistol, our parent factory CZUB has been exploring what it will take to expand the Scorpion semi-auto’s distribution into more world markets. To do this, they’ve developed some small modifications that will make the Scorpion platform importable in more countries. Modifications to the bolt and trigger housing are necessary to meet certain countries’ standards and the factory has been rolling these changes into all S1 models to simplify production. Long story short, the factory’s current production Scorpions have a tack weld hindering removal of the ‘case securing screw’ that holds in the trigger cage. The factory has been building new molds that incorporate a small change that eliminates the need for this weld, but they have been experiencing delays. Initially we intended to wait to import 2016 Scorpions until the new molds were complete, but the extended delays have made us reconsider importing the welded versions. By having the factory send us 2016 Scorpion models from current production with welded trigger case screws, we’ll be able to get the new pistol and carbine models to US distributors several months sooner than if we waited for the factory to complete their molds, send us production samples and have the ATF approve the new models for import. What that means to US Scorpion buyers is that the guns shipping in the next few months will have a welded trigger case screw, complicating removal of the factory trigger cage. Once the factory’s new molds are complete they will be sending us updated trigger housings that aren’t welded, which we will swap with any customer with a welded one at our expense. We have a form set up to get on the list for one of these swaps, just head over to cz-usa.com/scorpiontriggerswap. We apologize for any inconvenience this temporary change might cause our customers wishing to swap trigger group components in their Scorpion, and we’re urging the factory to have the new trigger groups available as soon as possible. The positive side of this is that Scorpion pistols and carbines with new 2016 features will start showing up in distribution channels much sooner than we were expecting, had we decided to wait for the new molds to be complete. At the moment, the first set of Carbines is waiting on one part to come back from finishing and they will ship out. When purchasing a Scorpion pistol, be aware that there will be versions with 2015 features (SKU 91350 and 01350) on the market currently that also have the welded case securing screw. As always, if you have any questions regarding the Scorpion or any CZ-USA product please contact us at [email protected] or 1-800-955-4486. Thank you, CZ-USA |
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Thanks. I snagged one for $750 on GB. They need to just ditch the idea of inventing their own thread pitch. I know it's on the military models already fielded, but nobody wants it. The new 1/2x28 threading is still better than the 18mm adapters though. Those things were some big honkers! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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In stock and thread pics. IMHO...to much M18x1 threads between the barrel nut and the 1/2x28 threads...for the 3-Lug adapter folks....might be bether to stick with all M18x1 threads... Thanks. I snagged one for $750 on GB. They need to just ditch the idea of inventing their own thread pitch. I know it's on the military models already fielded, but nobody wants it. The new 1/2x28 threading is still better than the 18mm adapters though. Those things were some big honkers! Somebody said 18mm is very common in europe |
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Somebody said 18mm is very common in europe View Quote That somebody is wrong. It's their own thing. M13.5 x 1 is the common Euro thread pitch. There are also some vintage 1/2 x 24 cans floating around out there, and the HK "Navy" barrels are famously threaded in 1/2 X 32 so goofballs can't screw the wrong supressor on there. This is like CZ's own attempt to repeat the mistake of HK- having a suppressor that will only work on one gun. Still, they got some folks to retool to support it: https://www.bt-ag.ch/shop/eng/maschinenpistolen/bt-smgpdw-suppressor-cal-9mm |
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That somebody is wrong. It's their own thing. M13.5 x 1 is the common Euro thread pitch. There are also some vintage 1/2 x 24 cans floating around out there, and the HK "Navy" barrels are famously threaded in 1/2 X 32 so goofballs can't screw the wrong supressor on there. This is like CZ's own attempt to repeat the mistake of HK- having a suppressor that will only work on one gun. Still, they got some folks to retool to support it: https://www.bt-ag.ch/shop/eng/maschinenpistolen/bt-smgpdw-suppressor-cal-9mm View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Somebody said 18mm is very common in europe That somebody is wrong. It's their own thing. M13.5 x 1 is the common Euro thread pitch. There are also some vintage 1/2 x 24 cans floating around out there, and the HK "Navy" barrels are famously threaded in 1/2 X 32 so goofballs can't screw the wrong supressor on there. This is like CZ's own attempt to repeat the mistake of HK- having a suppressor that will only work on one gun. Still, they got some folks to retool to support it: https://www.bt-ag.ch/shop/eng/maschinenpistolen/bt-smgpdw-suppressor-cal-9mm page 265 I'm just be messenger. Near the middle/bottom of the page |
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Just bought a Scorpion today on GB. It's the 1/2-28 threaded version. Should pick it up Saturday. Time to fill out my first form 1. I was considering the Sig MPX and Kriss Vector. After reading lots of post here I went with the scorpion. It was my 3rd pick initially due to the gen1 barrel threads. I do not like the adapters. Ultimately it came down the the one that would suppress with minimal gassing and the vector just didn't seem wife friendly. I will likely end up with all 3 so no real long term dilemma.
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Picked up a Scorpion 91351 today and submitted Form 1 SBR.
My first PCC, now the wait. Octane fixed mount 1/2 x 28 or will a flat direct thread work? |
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Picked up a Scorpion 91351 today and submitted Form 1 SBR. My first PCC, now the wait. What is needed to mount a SiCo Hybrid, the new 2016 Scorpion now has 1/2 x 28 threads? Octane fixed mount 1/2 x 28 or will a flat direct thread work? View Quote You will now have the option of using the original 18mm threads, or the 1/2x28. Looking at the options, I am going to use the 18mm direct thread mount for my Hybrid since it will be shorter overall than using the 1/2x28 direct thread mount. |
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I just realized my Scorpion doesn't have the QD socket. It shows its the 91351 sku number on the box it came in. I ordered the gen 2 2016.
What does the new lower profile sights look like? I could verify that they are correct. Also it has the tab on the barrel that sticks out to hold the comp? What is the part that looks similar to a 'locking washer' for, where does it properly fit? I'm calling CZ in the morning about the QD socket that my 'newer' model doesn't have. Maybe they'll send a replacement. Thanks Bishop3 |
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Is there enough of the 18mm threads to use this adapter? https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/catalog/main-view-cz-scpn-evo-3-lug-adptr_674_general.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Picked up a Scorpion 91351 today and submitted Form 1 SBR. My first PCC, now the wait. What is needed to mount a SiCo Hybrid, the new 2016 Scorpion now has 1/2 x 28 threads? Octane fixed mount 1/2 x 28 or will a flat direct thread work? You will now have the option of using the original 18mm threads, or the 1/2x28. Looking at the options, I am going to use the 18mm direct thread mount for my Hybrid since it will be shorter overall than using the 1/2x28 direct thread mount. Is there enough of the 18mm threads to use this adapter? https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/catalog/main-view-cz-scpn-evo-3-lug-adptr_674_general.jpg So I got the World Edition "Gen 2" (1/2x28 threads with 18x1). There seems to be enough 18.1 threads for muzzle device from HK Parts. I have it on mine but haven't tested it yet. |
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I just realized my Scorpion doesn't have the QD socket. It shows its the 91351 sku number on the box it came in. I ordered the gen 2 2016.What does the new lower profile sights look like? I could verify that they are correct. Also it has the tab on the barrel that sticks out to hold the comp? What is the part that looks similar to a 'locking washer' for, where does it properly fit? I'm calling CZ in the morning about the QD socket that my 'newer' model doesn't have. Maybe they'll send a replacement. Thanks Bishop3 View Quote I believe the "locking washer" is a thread protector for the metric threads to be used when the flash hider is removed. |
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My scorpion is coming in Monday. I ordered from CZ USA. How do I know if I ordered the gen 2?
Eta well checked order looks like it's V2. |
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