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Posted: 7/9/2015 1:08:59 PM EDT
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Ive done both.
UMP conversion is about $3500 when you are done. |
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Posted: 7/9/2015 1:46:12 PM EDT
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Honestly, the UMP is kinda crappy. If you want a UMP, go for it, but you should try to find a rental range and handle one first.
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Posted: 7/9/2015 1:47:52 PM EDT
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Honestly, the UMP is kinda crappy. If you want a UMP, go for it, but you should try to find a rental range and handle one first. They really aren't super-fun to shoot really. I'd rather shoot a 9mm Colt Ar-15. They look cool though. Here is the first one I did. 
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Posted: 7/9/2015 1:54:11 PM EDT
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Thank you that's what I was wondering they have always looked super sweet. I guess I'll go ahead and get the mp5k project started then!
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Posted: 7/9/2015 2:17:34 PM EDT
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I own both a USC/UMP and MP5K, and I wouldn't part with either of them. Being a big Bond fan, especially Casino Royale and QoS, I had to have an UMP! In the end I think they both cost roughly the same...not cheap, but I spared no expense on either one.
If I were in your position I would go with the UMP first simply because they are harder to find now, whereas there are plenty of options for a MP5K later down the road. IF I could choose only one though, it would have to be the MP5K. It's such a smooth shooter, compact package, and looks badass. Plus being a metal receiver, once it starts to look a little worn it's easy to get it refinished and looking like new again. With the UMP, I'm more inclined to leave it as a wall hangar because my OCD would drive me nuts once I started seeing handling marks on the polymer receiver. You know, those shiny lines on an otherwise matte surface. Yeah I got a problem. 
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Posted: 7/9/2015 3:45:36 PM EDT
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I own both a USC/UMP and MP5K, and I wouldn't part with either of them. Being a big Bond fan, especially Casino Royale and QoS, I had to have an UMP! In the end I think they both cost roughly the same...not cheap, but I spared no expense on either one. If I were in your position I would go with the UMP first simply because they are harder to find now, whereas there are plenty of options for a MP5K later down the road. IF I could choose only one though, it would have to be the MP5K. It's such a smooth shooter, compact package, and looks badass. Plus being a metal receiver, once it starts to look a little worn it's easy to get it refinished and looking like new again. With the UMP, I'm more inclined to leave it as a wall hangar because my OCD would drive me nuts once I started seeing handling marks on the polymer receiver. You know, those shiny lines on an otherwise matte surface. Yeah I got a problem. Yea that's me too I was leaning more towards the K because I have let's say "some" 9mm around. I have an mp5 sbr and it's by far my favorite gun the K just looks badass and is iconic. Plus now I have a EVO that's also an sbr! |
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Posted: 7/9/2015 8:37:04 PM EDT
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Yea that's me too I was leaning more towards the K because I have let's say "some" 9mm around. I have an mp5 sbr and it's by far my favorite gun the K just looks badass and is iconic. Plus now I have a EVO that's also an sbr! Well, if you already have MP5 mags, It might be smart to go with a K just to simplify life and spare parts. I did the UMP conversion but left the 16 inch barrel. I still really enjoy shooting in this configuration. I did a steel challenge shoot with it and had a blast. I'll be honest, my shoulder was feeling a little bruised after the ~130 rounds fired during the course(Man card revoked, I know). The .45 in a blowback gun feels more manly than a 9mm roller locked gun for sure. I will say that I would never trade my UMP/USC for an MP5K. |
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Posted: 7/9/2015 10:06:07 PM EDT
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A buddy of mine did a full Tom Bostic, no expense spared build. It was super cool but I honestly I wasn't that impressed by it. He wasn't either and sold it during all the panic buying after sandy hook. He did make a ton of money off of it though. I would look else ware unless you want a 45.
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Posted: 7/10/2015 12:02:16 AM EDT
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I have an mp5 sbr and it's by far my favorite gun the K just looks badass and is iconic. Plus now I have a EVO that's also an sbr! Judging by your current trend, you'll end up with both eventually haha. I love SMG style guns and it's my goal to collect them all! |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 4:12:12 AM EDT
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I'm here to vote "full-size MP5."
Don't buy a k unless you've handled both. I'm of average stature and I still find the k cramped. I miss my old full-size. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 7:35:59 AM EDT
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I did the K using an MKE for about 1800 after parts and stamp. This was back when the MKEs were around 1200. And I like the ability change the K to the PDW format pretty quickly. To me, the cost of the UMP was too much to justify. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 9:47:32 AM EDT
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I'm here to vote "full-size MP5." Don't buy a k unless you've handled both. I'm of average stature and I still find the k cramped. I miss my old full-size. I have a full size mp5, love it just want another sub gun |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 10:28:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm here to vote "full-size MP5." Don't buy a k unless you've handled both. I'm of average stature and I still find the k cramped. I miss my old full-size. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 11:03:50 AM EDT
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I wanted a .45 cal SBR and after doing a cost-benefit analysis, I decided to go with the Kriss Vector instead of the UMP conversion. I'm very happy with my Vector.
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Posted: 7/10/2015 11:12:20 AM EDT
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I wanted a .45 cal SBR and after doing a cost-benefit analysis, I decided to go with the Kriss Vector instead of the UMP conversion. I'm very happy with my Vector. Yea I've looked at those I'm not a big fan of the styling. If nothing else I'll just keep saving for an MAC11 and get the lage upper to keep it more sub gun like! |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 11:20:01 AM EDT
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2020, you'll be shooting my reverse stretch in a bit but for now I'll weigh in and say thay I'm 6'5 and don't find it uncomfortable. It's a small gun, but not uncomfortable. A B&T UMP style stock goes a long way here. It makes for a very comfortable LOP. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm here to vote "full-size MP5." Don't buy a k unless you've handled both. I'm of average stature and I still find the k cramped. I miss my old full-size. I'm looking forward to trying it out! Just trying to narrow down my choices I tend to be an impulse buyer 
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Posted: 7/10/2015 12:27:41 PM EDT
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I'm debating on the mp5k or getting a usc and doing the ump conversion love the styling on both, the ump would be more and I'm wondering if someone has both and is it really worth the extra cost? I have had a chance to shoot a full auto ump 45, that was fun. That having been said I own the scorpion evo and I found it to be more fun to shoot and so much cheaper. I would advise going with the fallowing. HK mp5 or mp5k Or the 22lr variants witch are overall the cheapest Evo 3 s1 (just puts the biggest grin on my face) At the end of the day it's your choice I hope that helps, and mag cost would be some thing to consider. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 1:12:49 PM EDT
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I have had a chance to shoot a full auto ump 45, that was fun. That having been said I own the scorpion evo and I found it to be more fun to shoot and so much cheaper. I would advise going with the fallowing. HK mp5 or mp5k Or the 22lr variants witch are overall the cheapest Evo 3 s1 (just puts the biggest grin on my face) At the end of the day it's your choice I hope that helps, and mag cost would be some thing to consider. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm debating on the mp5k or getting a usc and doing the ump conversion love the styling on both, the ump would be more and I'm wondering if someone has both and is it really worth the extra cost? I have had a chance to shoot a full auto ump 45, that was fun. That having been said I own the scorpion evo and I found it to be more fun to shoot and so much cheaper. I would advise going with the fallowing. HK mp5 or mp5k Or the 22lr variants witch are overall the cheapest Evo 3 s1 (just puts the biggest grin on my face) At the end of the day it's your choice I hope that helps, and mag cost would be some thing to consider. I own a sbr scorpion evo and mp5 fullsize |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 3:13:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm looking forward to trying it out! Just trying to narrow down my choices I tend to be an impulse buyer Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm here to vote "full-size MP5." Don't buy a k unless you've handled both. I'm of average stature and I still find the k cramped. I miss my old full-size. I'm looking forward to trying it out! Just trying to narrow down my choices I tend to be an impulse buyer  In all seriousness though, if you really want a UMP I'd go with that. USC's are only going to get harder to find. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 3:27:16 PM EDT
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i'm kicking myself for not buying a USC at CDNN last year when they were on clearance. $1200 or so at the time.
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Posted: 7/10/2015 4:38:29 PM EDT
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UMP's are pretty cool. Maybe get both
In all seriousness though, if you really want a UMP I'd go with that. USC's are only going to get harder to find. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm here to vote "full-size MP5." Don't buy a k unless you've handled both. I'm of average stature and I still find the k cramped. I miss my old full-size. I'm looking forward to trying it out! Just trying to narrow down my choices I tend to be an impulse buyer
In all seriousness though, if you really want a UMP I'd go with that. USC's are only going to get harder to find. Haha I wish I could I think if I had enough for both id be getting an automatic
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Posted: 7/10/2015 10:39:40 PM EDT
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Haha I wish I could I think if I had enough for both id be getting an automatic Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm here to vote "full-size MP5." Don't buy a k unless you've handled both. I'm of average stature and I still find the k cramped. I miss my old full-size. I'm looking forward to trying it out! Just trying to narrow down my choices I tend to be an impulse buyer
In all seriousness though, if you really want a UMP I'd go with that. USC's are only going to get harder to find. Haha I wish I could I think if I had enough for both id be getting an automatic It's true they will only get harder to obtain, unless you don't mind dealing with the tarus knock off or we manage to get LWRC to release there ump gun to the public in a relatively low price. I did see that some one started to produce a ump clone upper no idea who it was or if it ever was pushed to release but it was ugly as sin. |
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Posted: 7/11/2015 2:22:59 AM EDT
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I have both the K and USC/UMP conversion. The woman decided the K belonged to her, so I converted my UMP to 9mm
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Posted: 7/11/2015 10:03:13 AM EDT
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Here is the LWRC UMP clone, hopefully they will be produced more than the USC and half the cost or with in the cost of an mp5. Till then grab the USC and have a ball. If I could get one for a grand I would do the conversion but that is a pipe dream now.
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Posted: 7/11/2015 10:18:28 AM EDT
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Yea that lwrc is sweet I might actually like that more than ump haha. I'm going to wait to shoot freeride's mp5k and see how I like that. Otherwise I'll just save for an automatic!
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Posted: 7/11/2015 11:35:56 AM EDT
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Here is the LWRC UMP clone, hopefully they will be produced more than the USC and half the cost or with in the cost of an mp5. Have you never heard of LWRC before? This will be $2500, at the very minimum. |
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Posted: 7/11/2015 11:44:51 AM EDT
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Have you never heard of LWRC before? This will be $2500, at the very minimum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is the LWRC UMP clone, hopefully they will be produced more than the USC and half the cost or with in the cost of an mp5. Have you never heard of LWRC before? This will be $2500, at the very minimum. Yea I have an lwrc m6a2 sbr |
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Posted: 7/11/2015 12:58:57 PM EDT
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Have you never heard of LWRC before? This will be $2500, at the very minimum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is the LWRC UMP clone, hopefully they will be produced more than the USC and half the cost or with in the cost of an mp5. Have you never heard of LWRC before? This will be $2500, at the very minimum. That would be half the cost of a converted USC all said and done. (USC $2,000, ump lower $400, mag ect....) so $2,500 would be much cheaper than a USC conversion at that price. Let's hope there not looking at it to be $3,400 pulse. |
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Posted: 7/11/2015 3:12:36 PM EDT
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That would be half the cost of a converted USC all said and done. (USC $2,000, ump lower $400, mag ect....) so $2,500 would be much cheaper than a USC conversion at that price. Let's hope there not looking at it to be $3,400 pulse. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is the LWRC UMP clone, hopefully they will be produced more than the USC and half the cost or with in the cost of an mp5. Have you never heard of LWRC before? This will be $2500, at the very minimum. That would be half the cost of a converted USC all said and done. (USC $2,000, ump lower $400, mag ect....) so $2,500 would be much cheaper than a USC conversion at that price. Let's hope there not looking at it to be $3,400 pulse. Yea I wouldn't pay 2000$ for a USC if I happened across one for cheap I would but I'm now leaning towards the mp5k or an automatic Mac 11 |
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Posted: 7/11/2015 3:20:19 PM EDT
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Yea I wouldn't pay 2000$ for a USC if I happened across one for cheap I would but I'm now leaning towards the mp5k or an automatic Mac 11 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is the LWRC UMP clone, hopefully they will be produced more than the USC and half the cost or with in the cost of an mp5. Have you never heard of LWRC before? This will be $2500, at the very minimum. That would be half the cost of a converted USC all said and done. (USC $2,000, ump lower $400, mag ect....) so $2,500 would be much cheaper than a USC conversion at that price. Let's hope there not looking at it to be $3,400 pulse. Yea I wouldn't pay 2000$ for a USC if I happened across one for cheap I would but I'm now leaning towards the mp5k or an automatic Mac 11 I would look in to the mac10 for auto cause they have more accessories and you can convert them to 9mm, while the 380 can only convert to 22lr and anything 380 and smaller. |
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Posted: 7/11/2015 3:54:46 PM EDT
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this is what I want http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz9mrOpjMv4
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Posted: 7/12/2015 5:27:04 PM EDT
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We issue UMP-40's at work and I have a lot of trigger time with them.
In short, I would avoid them. We keep them for our boat and ATV guys who "need" (their claim, not mine) something smaller than a standard M4 and as an instructor I oversee them doing their UMP quals. I seriously think the only reason we have them is because H&K threw them in when we bought a shit ton of pistols from them. A total fail on our part. Because 75% of the weight is in the bolt they have this tendency to rock and flex back and forth. It literally feels like a brick being rattled back and forth in a shoe box. The factory H&K stock is also junk. To make it flexible enough to lock against the tab in the folded position the entire stock assembly was made to be able to flex. The end result is that it just has too much play in it. It makes it uncomfortable to shoulder and it doesn't inspire much confidence that it will stand the test of time. Like another poster stated, I would fine some place to handle and play with one before committing to purchase a civvy legal version, then deciding if you want to dump $3K in one. If you want something that looks cool, get an airsoft UMP and practice room clearing with that. Want to put 9mm/.40 S&W holes close together on paper while enjoying yourself? Buy a Beretta CX4 or pistol caliber AR. dos centavos. |
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Posted: 7/12/2015 7:05:06 PM EDT
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We issue UMP-40's at work and I have a lot of trigger time with them. In short, I would avoid them. We keep them for our boat and ATV guys who "need" (their claim, not mine) something smaller than a standard M4 and as an instructor I oversee them doing their UMP quals. I seriously think the only reason we have them is because H&K threw them in when we bought a shit ton of pistols from them. A total fail on our part. Because 75% of the weight is in the bolt they have this tendency to rock and flex back and forth. It literally feels like a brick being rattled back and forth in a shoe box. The factory H&K stock is also junk. To make it flexible enough to lock against the tab in the folded position the entire stock assembly was made to be able to flex. The end result is that it just has too much play in it. It makes it uncomfortable to shoulder and it doesn't inspire much confidence that it will stand the test of time. Like another poster stated, I would fine some place to handle and play with one before committing to purchase a civvy legal version, then deciding if you want to dump $3K in one. If you want something that looks cool, get an airsoft UMP and practice room clearing with that. Want to put 9mm/.40 S&W holes close together on paper while enjoying yourself? Buy a Beretta CX4 or pistol caliber AR. dos centavos. That's good to know like I said I think I've decided against it now and am looking more in the direction of an mp5k or mac11 in 9mm with a LAGE upper. |
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Posted: 7/12/2015 9:39:18 PM EDT
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Masterpiece arms makes it nice masterpiece arms makes it nice mac11 and there is a larg upper for it if you decide to avoid the full auto market.
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Posted: 7/13/2015 6:15:53 AM EDT
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Masterpiece arms makes it nice masterpiece arms makes it nice mac11 and there is a larg upper for it if you decide to avoid the full auto market. I think that's the only way I would buy a mac
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Posted: 7/21/2015 2:28:00 AM EDT
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$3k plus for a semi auto pistol caliber gun... a MAC for $5k still seems cheap by comparison.
I had an UMP with the grease gun conversion, it was okay. But it was still large, for an SBR in a pistol caliber, I would want something smaller. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 9:23:31 AM EDT
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Well if anyone's got a Mac 11 for sale let me know
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Posted: 7/23/2015 3:16:00 PM EDT
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i'm kicking myself for not buying a USC at CDNN last year when they were on clearance. $1200 or so at the time. ^^^This right here...... |
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Posted: 8/11/2015 9:28:23 PM EDT
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I did the usc conversion. It came out awesome. I even had the AAC Ump silencer for it. In the end, I sold it since it wasnt very fun to shoot.
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