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Posted: 3/10/2015 12:20:34 AM EDT
I know a lot of you have questions between the real EVO vs the airsoft version. I own both. I don't suggest to ever use air soft on a real gun. You do what you wish. I have not gotten my form 1 back on my EVO, so I have not and cannot install the air soft stock to see if it fits. I did measure it out and I'm 99.9% sure the stock will slide on with no issues. There has been a lot of talk about this air soft being made from the same polymer and molds as the real EVO. You be the judge. If you guys have any questions about a specific part let me know. Again this is just for reference.
Quoted off ASG's website The partnership also means we have access to original design specifications and blueprints. Working from the original CAD 3D drawings, ensures that all weight, size and handling characteristics have been constructed to match the real gun. And guaranties that any original parts like magazine clips, sights or flash-hiders will fit on. The fiber-reinforced polymer used in the construction is the same as the original submachine gun, making it one of the toughest Airsoft guns around. Side 1  " />
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Mock up of air soft stock to EVO. Button is smaller than the air soft. Easy fix  " />
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Posted: 3/10/2015 1:35:14 AM EDT
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Looks good. How are you going to fix the button?
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Posted: 3/10/2015 2:06:45 PM EDT
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I have a HK MK23 pistol, and I have the KWC Airsoft version.
The real slide will fit on the airsoft gun... The only thing preventing it from working is the Airsoft gas system parts. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 3:02:32 PM EDT
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Looks good. How are you going to fix the button? Could easily add a allen screw pin to lock in place. Really though these stocks are VERY hard to slide on and off. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 3:15:08 PM EDT
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Looks good. How are you going to fix the button? Could just glue in an eccentric bushing... If it came down to it and they didn't offer the stock, I would probably get creative and make my own folding mechanism before dropping the money on a $400 airsoft gun just for the stock 
It's cool that the designs are that close though. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 4:26:05 PM EDT
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I would be really surprised if they used the same polymer.
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Posted: 3/10/2015 5:08:33 PM EDT
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I would be really surprised if they used the same polymer. I don't know about CZ, but HK uses generic BASF pellets that come in large dog food sized bags.. Not exactly, proprietary, rocket science. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 5:21:27 PM EDT
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Could just glue in an eccentric bushing... If it came down to it and they didn't offer the stock, I would probably get creative and make my own folding mechanism before dropping the money on a $400 airsoft gun just for the stock
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Looks good. How are you going to fix the button? Could just glue in an eccentric bushing... If it came down to it and they didn't offer the stock, I would probably get creative and make my own folding mechanism before dropping the money on a $400 airsoft gun just for the stock
It's cool that the designs are that close though. HOLY MOLY! Airsoft guns cost that much? I hate airsoft just for flooding my youtube searches with 12 year olds reviewing their new toys instead of actual gun reviews. (I have to always remember to add -airsoft on my youtube searches now to filter that crap out) And now I hear they're $400+?! |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 5:27:58 PM EDT
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HOLY MOLY! Airsoft guns cost that much? I hate airsoft just for flooding my youtube searches with 12 year olds reviewing their new toys instead of actual gun reviews. (I have to always remember to add -airsoft on my youtube searches now to filter that crap out) And now I hear they're $400+?! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks good. How are you going to fix the button? Could just glue in an eccentric bushing... If it came down to it and they didn't offer the stock, I would probably get creative and make my own folding mechanism before dropping the money on a $400 airsoft gun just for the stock
It's cool that the designs are that close though. HOLY MOLY! Airsoft guns cost that much? I hate airsoft just for flooding my youtube searches with 12 year olds reviewing their new toys instead of actual gun reviews. (I have to always remember to add -airsoft on my youtube searches now to filter that crap out) And now I hear they're $400+?! This is not just any airsoft gun. CZ put their name on this gun. Supposedly made from the same molds also. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 6:21:16 PM EDT
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I don't know about CZ, but HK uses generic BASF pellets that come in large dog food sized bags.. Not exactly, proprietary, rocket science. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would be really surprised if they used the same polymer. I don't know about CZ, but HK uses generic BASF pellets that come in large dog food sized bags.. Not exactly, proprietary, rocket science. Some of the airsoft stuff has pretty good build quality, the trick is separating the "good" from the "bad". In lieu of throwing down $350 for a factory Remington 870 top folder on Ebay I bought the G&P Airsoft "toy gun only" 870 top folding stock and found it to not only be of superior fit & finish to a real Remington stock but to also be manufactured out of a plastic that's a lot harder to cut into than the OEM pistol grip and steel stock arms that are a little bit thicker and also harder to cut than the OEM steel stock arms. It's built like a tank and only cost $55.00. I've had it on my 12" SBS 870 for a few months now with no issues to speak of. I'd buy one over a real OEM 870 top folder without a second thought. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 8:08:50 PM EDT
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Yes $450 for an air soft is a lot but for the money its worth it. If you want anything competitive from what I have been reading your going to drop over $500. This is ready to go out of the box. One of the best out of the box air softs ever made, from what I'm told. I have never been into air soft but this will be a good trainer for the kids before I put real guns in their hands and I get a benefit of the stock if need be.
I did see somewhere that they are trying to push some sort of ban on air soft. If they don't import the stocks and something happens with a ban Im set and ready to go. I didn't mount the stock but I can see that when you close the stock while mounted it will lock into place on the EVO and the air soft. I want to repeat. Im not suggesting nor should you use air soft over REAL gun parts. Im just suggesting if we can't get these stocks this is the next best option. Buy the real thing first if possible |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 8:10:56 AM EDT
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Yes $450 for an air soft is a lot but for the money its worth it. If you want anything competitive from what I have been reading your going to drop over $500. This is ready to go out of the box. One of the best out of the box air softs ever made, from what I'm told. I have never been into air soft but this will be a good trainer for the kids before I put real guns in their hands and I get a benefit of the stock if need be. I did see somewhere that they are trying to push some sort of ban on air soft. If they don't import the stocks and something happens with a ban Im set and ready to go. I didn't mount the stock but I can see that when you close the stock while mounted it will lock into place on the EVO and the air soft. I want to repeat. Im not suggesting nor should you use air soft over REAL gun parts. Im just suggesting if we can't get these stocks this is the next best option. Buy the real thing first if possible This is a great thread, thanks for your input. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 1:08:54 PM EDT
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I didn't mount the stock but I can see that when you close the stock while mounted it will lock into place on the EVO and the air soft. Suuuuure you didn't. 
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Posted: 3/11/2015 1:13:37 PM EDT
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Suuuuure you didn't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't mount the stock but I can see that when you close the stock while mounted it will lock into place on the EVO and the air soft. Suuuuure you didn't. 
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Posted: 3/11/2015 2:52:44 PM EDT
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does the color of the asg plastic match the real plastic?
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Posted: 3/11/2015 9:13:09 PM EDT
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My guess is that it would be cheaper for AGS or whoever to buy stocks from CZ or whoever does their plastics than to make heir own molds. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 10:14:10 PM EDT
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My guess is that it would be cheaper for AGS or whoever to buy stocks from CZ or whoever does their plastics than to make heir own molds. They use the same molds as CZ according to all reviews I've read. |
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Posted: 3/12/2015 11:57:39 PM EDT
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does the color of the asg plastic match the real plastic? The receiver part of the air gun is not as fiberious. The stock is an exact match to the real gun different from the air soft |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 10:25:15 AM EDT
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Too bad they matched it in every detail except that button hole.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 10:41:13 AM EDT
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Too bad they matched it in every detail except that button hole. Looking at the assembly drawings for the ASG, some components have to slide out that hole for disassembly. That's a small detail that's easy enough to fix. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 11:40:15 AM EDT
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Too bad they matched it in every detail except that button hole. From what I have read that small button was an earlier design. The large button came later. The airsoft uses an original mold. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 12:08:23 PM EDT
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From what I have read that small button was an earlier design. The large button came later. The airsoft uses an original mold. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Too bad they matched it in every detail except that button hole. From what I have read that small button was an earlier design. The large button came later. The airsoft uses an original mold. Check again, the airsoft version has the larger button. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 2:13:34 PM EDT
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Check again, the airsoft version has the larger button. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Too bad they matched it in every detail except that button hole. From what I have read that small large button was an earlier design. The large smaller button came later. The airsoft uses an original mold. Check again, the airsoft version has the larger button. Oops got it backwards. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 11:28:30 PM EDT
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HOLY MOLY! Airsoft guns cost that much? I hate airsoft just for flooding my youtube searches with 12 year olds reviewing their new toys instead of actual gun reviews. (I have to always remember to add -airsoft on my youtube searches now to filter that crap out) And now I hear they're $400+?! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks good. How are you going to fix the button? Could just glue in an eccentric bushing... If it came down to it and they didn't offer the stock, I would probably get creative and make my own folding mechanism before dropping the money on a $400 airsoft gun just for the stock
It's cool that the designs are that close though. HOLY MOLY! Airsoft guns cost that much? I hate airsoft just for flooding my youtube searches with 12 year olds reviewing their new toys instead of actual gun reviews. (I have to always remember to add -airsoft on my youtube searches now to filter that crap out) And now I hear they're $400+?! I dabble in some airsoft. That is on the VERY high-end side of the range for a factory gun. |
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Posted: 3/17/2015 10:10:27 PM EDT
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If you guys decide to do this, you will not be 922r compliant as the ASG is china made i think.
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Posted: 3/17/2015 10:43:32 PM EDT
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If you guys decide to do this, you will not be 922r compliant as the ASG is china made i think. But by the ATF definition of manufacture and redesign, if you use something not for it's original purpose you are re-manufacturing it. Therefore if you take a toy gun stock made in country X intended by the manufacturer to be a toy part, and attach it to a firearm you have redesigned/re-manufactured it into a gun part. Since it is only now a gun part, it was made in the USA. |
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Posted: 3/18/2015 7:01:41 AM EDT
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But by the ATF definition of manufacture and redesign, if you use something not for it's original purpose you are re-manufacturing it. Therefore if you take a toy gun stock made in country X intended by the manufacturer to be a toy part, and attach it to a firearm you have redesigned/re-manufactured it into a gun part. Since it is only now a gun part, it was made in the USA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you guys decide to do this, you will not be 922r compliant as the ASG is china made i think. But by the ATF definition of manufacture and redesign, if you use something not for it's original purpose you are re-manufacturing it. Therefore if you take a toy gun stock made in country X intended by the manufacturer to be a toy part, and attach it to a firearm you have redesigned/re-manufactured it into a gun part. Since it is only now a gun part, it was made in the USA. I see, then I guess you guys just have to worry about getting the rest of the required number of parts to be 922r compliant then. |
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Posted: 3/18/2015 7:24:12 AM EDT
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I see, then I guess you guys just have to worry about getting the rest of the required number of parts to be 922r compliant then. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you guys decide to do this, you will not be 922r compliant as the ASG is china made i think. But by the ATF definition of manufacture and redesign, if you use something not for it's original purpose you are re-manufacturing it. Therefore if you take a toy gun stock made in country X intended by the manufacturer to be a toy part, and attach it to a firearm you have redesigned/re-manufactured it into a gun part. Since it is only now a gun part, it was made in the USA. I see, then I guess you guys just have to worry about getting the rest of the required number of parts to be 922r compliant then. You're assuming that we all care about 922r. But CZUSA has said that they are exploring their US options in case the ATF comes back with a negative on the factory stock for Form1 SBR situation. |
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Posted: 3/18/2015 11:08:49 AM EDT
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The ATF has never come out with a concrete answer in regards to SBRs and 922R anyways.
There have been letters to individuals, but even those conflict. That ignores that the only 922r charges have been tack on charges, not stand alone. |
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Posted: 3/18/2015 1:44:19 PM EDT
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But by the ATF definition of manufacture and redesign, if you use something not for it's original purpose you are re-manufacturing it. Therefore if you take a toy gun stock made in country X intended by the manufacturer to be a toy part, and attach it to a firearm you have redesigned/re-manufactured it into a gun part. Since it is only now a gun part, it was made in the USA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you guys decide to do this, you will not be 922r compliant as the ASG is china made i think. But by the ATF definition of manufacture and redesign, if you use something not for it's original purpose you are re-manufacturing it. Therefore if you take a toy gun stock made in country X intended by the manufacturer to be a toy part, and attach it to a firearm you have redesigned/re-manufactured it into a gun part. Since it is only now a gun part, it was made in the USA. I won't volunteer to be the test case on this. |
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Posted: 3/18/2015 8:03:28 PM EDT
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You're assuming that we all care about 922r. But CZUSA has said that they are exploring their US options in case the ATF comes back with a negative on the factory stock for Form1 SBR situation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you guys decide to do this, you will not be 922r compliant as the ASG is china made i think. But by the ATF definition of manufacture and redesign, if you use something not for it's original purpose you are re-manufacturing it. Therefore if you take a toy gun stock made in country X intended by the manufacturer to be a toy part, and attach it to a firearm you have redesigned/re-manufactured it into a gun part. Since it is only now a gun part, it was made in the USA. I see, then I guess you guys just have to worry about getting the rest of the required number of parts to be 922r compliant then. You're assuming that we all care about 922r. But CZUSA has said that they are exploring their US options in case the ATF comes back with a negative on the factory stock for Form1 SBR situation. I would assume all responsible gun owners would like to obey the law... |
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Posted: 3/18/2015 8:14:38 PM EDT
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I would assume all responsible gun owners would like to obey the law... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 3/18/2015 9:15:12 PM EDT
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I would assume all responsible gun owners would like to obey the law... C'mon man... surely you've been around long enough to witness some of the WILL NOT COMPLY chest thumping. |
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Posted: 3/24/2015 11:15:04 PM EDT
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Sorry I have been following thisand main scorpion thread awhile missed a few days and now I see the airsoft stocks on a members gun. Are these fitting without modification? Are they locking up tight,?
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Posted: 3/24/2015 11:32:26 PM EDT
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Sorry I have been following thisand main scorpion thread awhile missed a few days and now I see the airsoft stocks on a members gun. Are these fitting without modification? Are they locking up tight,? Just have to make the button hole slightly larger I have been working on other options what do you think 
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Posted: 3/25/2015 1:01:51 AM EDT
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I will buy one of these when there for sell but I would really love a scar17 vltor stock with an adaptor you make for it
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Posted: 3/25/2015 8:52:38 AM EDT
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UMP stock looks OK but I still prefer the look of the Evo stock. Lack of answers on the factory stock is the only thing keeping me on the fence about these.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 12:21:31 AM EDT
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Here are side by side comparison shots between the OLD/ASG hook and plastic cap stock and the new CZ magnet metal cap version on on the post samples as you can see even the mold marks match up there is no doubt that ASG either have the original molds or bought the old style from CZ, I know when I tried to buy 100 from ASG at SHOT show they said they had to look what they had in stock and I asked if they could just make more they said it was not so simple which leads me to believe the bought them in
There is a guy in Belgium been posting on the CZ forum he has a Scorpion with the stock the same as the ASG hook and plastic cap on it that came from CZ on the semi SBR 
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Posted: 3/29/2015 4:09:46 PM EDT
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Here are side by side comparison shots between the OLD/ASG hook and plastic cap stock and the new CZ magnet metal cap version on on the post samples as you can see even the mold marks match up there is no doubt that ASG either have the original molds or bought the old style from CZ, I know when I tried to buy 100 from ASG at SHOT show they said they had to look what they had in stock and I asked if they could just make more they said it was not so simple which leads me to believe the bought them in There is a guy in Belgium been posting on the CZ forum he has a Scorpion with the stock the same as the ASG hook and plastic cap on it that came from CZ on the semi SBR Thanks for posting this. I really want to wait for the "real" stock but patience has never been my strong suit. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 5:59:56 PM EDT
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The way cz is responding don't hold your breath. Also when you call asg asking for a stock they treat you like your a killer. Sure as hell they are going to change the asg stock so it doesn't work on the cz. Get them while there hot
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Posted: 3/29/2015 6:09:30 PM EDT
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The way cz is responding don't hold your breath. Also when you call asg asking for a stock they treat you like your a killer. Sure as hell they are going to change the asg stock so it doesn't work on the cz. Get them while there hot Yup, one of the reasons I bit the bullet. AGS is either going to voluntarily or CZ is going to force them to change the design on the stock so somehow they are no longer compatible. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:06:35 PM EDT
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So is the only way to get the asg stock is buy the whole rifle?
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:09:41 PM EDT
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So is the only way to get the asg stock is buy the whole rifle? Yup |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:24:30 PM EDT
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Yup, one of the reasons I bit the bullet. AGS is either going to voluntarily or CZ is going to force them to change the design on the stock so somehow they are no longer compatible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The way cz is responding don't hold your breath. Also when you call asg asking for a stock they treat you like your a killer. Sure as hell they are going to change the asg stock so it doesn't work on the cz. Get them while there hot Yup, one of the reasons I bit the bullet. AGS is either going to voluntarily or CZ is going to force them to change the design on the stock so somehow they are no longer compatible. In one of the last contacts I had from ASG someone in the sales department in California decided to become involved and tried telling me that CZ expressly mention not to fit the Airsoft unit to the real weapon on there website, so far I have failed to find such disclaimer I have compared both I cannot understand why they are trying to say there is a difference |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:43:22 PM EDT
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When I emailed ASG a few months back I inquired about getting a replacement stock. I never mentioned anything about a firearm. Here is the reply copy and paste:
Quote HistoryNo we do not sell the stock separately. Also if you are intending to use our AIRSOFT EVO stock onto the CZ EVO SP-1, I would not recommend it. Although it may fit with modifications, our stock material is different and it might shatter during use with real steel version causing sharp pieces flying into your face. So we do not suggest our recommend using something intended for toys to be used on real firearms.
Best Regards, Andy Yoshida Sales Manager ActionSportGames USA, Inc. Needless to say, the response was just a legal CYA reply. No way this stock might "shatter" especially since they claim its the same polymer fibers as the factory CZ stock. He also claims its made of a different material, which is a direct contradiction to more recent advertisements. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:50:44 PM EDT
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Nevermind the fact I bought an ASG Evo and have the stock so I can personally say this thing is built like a baseball bat.
I would bet $5,000 you could dump 1,000 rounds of 9mm back to back and not break it. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 11:52:42 PM EDT
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When I emailed ASG a few months back I inquired about getting a replacement stock. I never mentioned anything about a firearm. Here is the reply copy and paste: Needless to say, the response was just a legal CYA reply. No way this stock might "shatter" especially since they claim its the same polymer fibers as the factory CZ stock. He also claims its made of a different material, which is a direct contradiction to more recent advertisements. Quote HistoryQuoted:
When I emailed ASG a few months back I inquired about getting a replacement stock. I never mentioned anything about a firearm. Here is the reply copy and paste: No we do not sell the stock separately. Also if you are intending to use our AIRSOFT EVO stock onto the CZ EVO SP-1, I would not recommend it. Although it may fit with modifications, our stock material is different and it might shatter during use with real steel version causing sharp pieces flying into your face. So we do not suggest our recommend using something intended for toys to be used on real firearms.
Best Regards, Andy Yoshida Sales Manager ActionSportGames USA, Inc. Needless to say, the response was just a legal CYA reply. No way this stock might "shatter" especially since they claim its the same polymer fibers as the factory CZ stock. He also claims its made of a different material, which is a direct contradiction to more recent advertisements. I just emailed my contact at ASG to seek clarification, if they are not going to sell us the stocks at least I can have fun with it |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 1:46:05 AM EDT
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So, if you take a Airsoft part, and then make it a gun part are you making a gun part?
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Posted: 3/31/2015 4:07:47 PM EDT
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"If you guys decide to do this, you will not be 922r compliant as the ASG is china made i think."
That is incorrect. It is made in Denmark. |
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Posted: 3/31/2015 4:10:41 PM EDT
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"If you guys decide to do this, you will not be 922r compliant as the ASG is china made i think." That is incorrect. It is made in Denmark. Partially incorrect. The ASG stock may be made in Denmark but it's still not a US-made part for the purposes of 922(r) compliance. |
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Posted: 3/31/2015 4:12:51 PM EDT
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Partially incorrect. The ASG stock may be made in Denmark but it's still not a US-made part for the purposes of 922(r) compliance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"If you guys decide to do this, you will not be 922r compliant as the ASG is china made i think." That is incorrect. It is made in Denmark. Partially incorrect. The ASG stock may be made in Denmark but it's still not a US-made part for the purposes of 922(r) compliance. If I dremel out the hole for it to function correctly on the firearm, I've modified it into a firearm part. Does that not make me a US "maker" ? Because that chunk of billet aluminum that I turned into a receiver wasn't cast in the US but I "made" it in the US... |
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