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Posted: 1/7/2015 1:38:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU:
Well my SOT put his hands on them at the Ellett Bros show, today.... He may have seen some LE restricted SBRs/Subguns, or a few samples. But according to CZ and my distributor (that also shoots for CZ and is a CZ distributor) They just left the factory for the US. |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 2:10:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dan_Gray:
He may have seen some LE restricted SBRs/Subguns, or a few samples. But according to CZ and my distributor (that also shoots for CZ and is a CZ distributor) They just left the factory for the US. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dan_Gray:
Originally Posted By RDTCU:
Well my SOT put his hands on them at the Ellett Bros show, today.... He may have seen some LE restricted SBRs/Subguns, or a few samples. But according to CZ and my distributor (that also shoots for CZ and is a CZ distributor) They just left the factory for the US. CZ Samples |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/8/2015 2:39:49 PM EDT
[#3]
How much is the first one on Gunbroker gonna go for? my guess is $1245. Guess we'll have to wait 4 days and see. I would much rather have an H&K ump, but that seems stupid when I can buy a CZ Scorpion Evo, and still have $2,500-3,500 left over for ammo etc. For that chunk of money i can get over the caliber difference.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=462350580 |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 2:54:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MidMichHunter]
[#4]
We'll see, but my guess is $1,500.
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Posted: 1/8/2015 3:02:43 PM EDT
[#5]
Pretty sweet pics, can't wait to get mine.
Any word on the adapter yet? Cz said they would be available when the pistols were released. What are you all thinking for optics for this? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/8/2015 3:07:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LeonC]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Psw757:
Pretty sweet pics, can't wait to get mine. Any word on the adapter yet? Cz said they would be available when the pistols were released. What are you all thinking for optics for this? According to CZ they're in-production right now in the US and should be available shortly. I was thinking of running a T1 or T2 in a low-mount to co-witness the irons. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 5:00:41 PM EDT
[#7]
CZ USA has a few items in their store now for the EVO. LINK
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Posted: 1/8/2015 5:30:06 PM EDT
[#8]
I have the money set aside for a t1, suppressor/adaptor/stamp, stock/stamp, and of course the gun.
But Im not ordering any of it until I get a solid answer on the stock. Why is it so hard for them to give a straight answer? Are they not working with any aftermarket companies? |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 5:52:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RDTCU]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By itstock:
But Im not ordering any of it until I get a solid answer on the stock. Why is it so hard for them to give a straight answer? You haven't been paying attention very well, they are waiting on the ATF to respond to their official inquiry as to the relevance of 922r to this gun should a buyer SBR it on a Form1. They likely will not sell a stock to non-SOT's until that determination is made by the ATF. Yesterday was the 30 day mark. You know how the ATF works... |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 5:59:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: itstock]
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU:
You haven't been paying attention very well, they are waiting on the ATF to respond to their official inquiry as to the relevance of 922r to this gun should a buyer SBR it on a Form1. They likely will not sell a stock to non-SOT's until that determination is made by the ATF. Yesterday was the 30 day mark. You know how the ATF works... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU:
Originally Posted By itstock:
But Im not ordering any of it until I get a solid answer on the stock. Why is it so hard for them to give a straight answer? You haven't been paying attention very well, they are waiting on the ATF to respond to their official inquiry as to the relevance of 922r to this gun should a buyer SBR it on a Form1. They likely will not sell a stock to non-SOT's until that determination is made by the ATF. Yesterday was the 30 day mark. You know how the ATF works... I now read the thread and realize that is the reality. But I'm still not ordering until I find out if here will be a stock or not.  . i just want a yes or no, is there a second option? I mean, if someone steps up to the plate, I have an easy 2-6 months for them to finalize the stock.
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Posted: 1/8/2015 6:09:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU:
You haven't been paying attention very well, they are waiting on the ATF to respond to their official inquiry as to the relevance of 922r to this gun should a buyer SBR it on a Form1. They likely will not sell a stock to non-SOT's until that determination is made by the ATF. Yesterday was the 30 day mark. You know how the ATF works... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU:
Originally Posted By itstock:
But Im not ordering any of it until I get a solid answer on the stock. Why is it so hard for them to give a straight answer? You haven't been paying attention very well, they are waiting on the ATF to respond to their official inquiry as to the relevance of 922r to this gun should a buyer SBR it on a Form1. They likely will not sell a stock to non-SOT's until that determination is made by the ATF. Yesterday was the 30 day mark. You know how the ATF works... If it's sold separately what's the issue? It's up to the owner of the gun to make the gun 922r compliant when SBRing and installing the stock, is it not? |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 6:46:47 PM EDT
[#12]
Just curious. What constitutes a US-made part? Can I take a CZ stock and modify it some how and call it a US-made stock using Czech-materials?
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/8/2015 6:48:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By benb:
Just curious. What constitutes a US-made part? Can I take a CZ stock and modify it some how and call it a US-made stock using Czech-materials? no.... MAYBE if you melt it down, and use the plastic in a new mold though. Modifying something does not change where it came from. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 6:51:46 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LeonC:
If it's sold separately what's the issue? It's up to the owner of the gun to make the gun 922r compliant when SBRing and installing the stock, is it not? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LeonC:
Originally Posted By RDTCU:
Originally Posted By itstock:
But Im not ordering any of it until I get a solid answer on the stock. Why is it so hard for them to give a straight answer? You haven't been paying attention very well, they are waiting on the ATF to respond to their official inquiry as to the relevance of 922r to this gun should a buyer SBR it on a Form1. They likely will not sell a stock to non-SOT's until that determination is made by the ATF. Yesterday was the 30 day mark. You know how the ATF works... If it's sold separately what's the issue? It's up to the owner of the gun to make the gun 922r compliant when SBRing and installing the stock, is it not? I suppose if making it SBR was not possible to 922r, and CZ imported stocks for the civilian market, there may be some sort of "intent" crap from the ATF. Never know... |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 7:05:43 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By itstock:
I now read the thread and realize that is the reality. But I'm still not ordering until I find out if here will be a stock or not. . i just want a yes or no, is there a second option? I mean, if someone steps up to the plate, I have an easy 2-6 months for them to finalize the stock.Then order. They have said in absolutely no uncertain terms that they are importing the stock. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 7:06:45 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akumadiavolo:
Then order. They have said in absolutely no uncertain terms that they are importing the stock. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akumadiavolo:
Originally Posted By itstock:
I now read the thread and realize that is the reality. But I'm still not ordering until I find out if here will be a stock or not. . i just want a yes or no, is there a second option? I mean, if someone steps up to the plate, I have an easy 2-6 months for them to finalize the stock.Then order. They have said in absolutely no uncertain terms that they are importing the stock. 
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Posted: 1/8/2015 7:10:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: akumadiavolo]
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By itstock:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By itstock:
Originally Posted By akumadiavolo:
Originally Posted By itstock:
I now read the thread and realize that is the reality. But I'm still not ordering until I find out if here will be a stock or not. . i just want a yes or no, is there a second option? I mean, if someone steps up to the plate, I have an easy 2-6 months for them to finalize the stock.Then order. They have said in absolutely no uncertain terms that they are importing the stock. It was part of their announcment post, I don't know why people are still unsure about that. "CZ-USA: We plan to bring in the factory folding stock as an accessory for those who wish to SBR it." And they reiterate it a few more times as people keep asking. "CZ-USA Carl Douglas Miles- When we know delivery date and pricing on the stock, we'll make it known. Rest assured, they will go right on with the push of a button. And a Form 1 and the requisite wait time...." |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 7:17:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: itstock]
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akumadiavolo:
It was part of their announcment post, I don't know why people are still unsure about that. "CZ-USA: We plan to bring in the factory folding stock as an accessory for those who wish to SBR it." And they reiterate it a few more times as people keep asking. "CZ-USA Carl Douglas Miles- When we know delivery date and pricing on the stock, we'll make it known. Rest assured, they will go right on with the push of a button. And a Form 1 and the requisite wait time...." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akumadiavolo:
Originally Posted By itstock:
Originally Posted By akumadiavolo:
Originally Posted By itstock:
I now read the thread and realize that is the reality. But I'm still not ordering until I find out if here will be a stock or not. . i just want a yes or no, is there a second option? I mean, if someone steps up to the plate, I have an easy 2-6 months for them to finalize the stock.Then order. They have said in absolutely no uncertain terms that they are importing the stock. It was part of their announcment post, I don't know why people are still unsure about that. "CZ-USA: We plan to bring in the factory folding stock as an accessory for those who wish to SBR it." And they reiterate it a few more times as people keep asking. "CZ-USA Carl Douglas Miles- When we know delivery date and pricing on the stock, we'll make it known. Rest assured, they will go right on with the push of a button. And a Form 1 and the requisite wait time...." They don't even know if it's compliant as per atf, and I am supposed to rely on pr as a solid answer? Look, I want this gun. But I only want it if I can sbr it with a stock made for the gun. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 7:22:22 PM EDT
[#19]
If 922(r) is an issue then it will be taken care of quickly. The aftermarket will see to it if CZ doesn't. Parts willikely be available within a month or two of the pistol being released.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/8/2015 7:24:39 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By itstock:
They don't even know if it's compliant as per atf, and I am supposed to rely on pr as a solid answer? Look, I want this gun. But I only want it if I can sbr it with a stock made for the gun. SBR's made from handguns have never been subject to 922r, so I don't understand why people are worrying. If they were there are undoubtedly a shit ton of illegal Glock SBR's out there. The ATF can try to flip the script and suddenly try to enforce it, but I doubt it. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 7:31:09 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akumadiavolo:
SBR's made from handguns have never been subject to 922r, so I don't understand why people are worrying. If they were there are undoubtedly a shit ton of illegal Glock SBR's out there. The ATF can try to flip the script and suddenly try to enforce it, but I doubt it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akumadiavolo:
Originally Posted By itstock:
They don't even know if it's compliant as per atf, and I am supposed to rely on pr as a solid answer? Look, I want this gun. But I only want it if I can sbr it with a stock made for the gun. SBR's made from handguns have never been subject to 922r, so I don't understand why people are worrying. If they were there are undoubtedly a shit ton of illegal Glock SBR's out there. The ATF can try to flip the script and suddenly try to enforce it, but I doubt it. That's just simply not true. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 7:42:18 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akumadiavolo:
SBR's made from handguns have never been subject to 922r, so I don't understand why people are worrying. If they were there are undoubtedly a shit ton of illegal Glock SBR's out there. The ATF can try to flip the script and suddenly try to enforce it, but I doubt it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akumadiavolo:
Originally Posted By itstock:
They don't even know if it's compliant as per atf, and I am supposed to rely on pr as a solid answer? Look, I want this gun. But I only want it if I can sbr it with a stock made for the gun. SBR's made from handguns have never been subject to 922r, so I don't understand why people are worrying. If they were there are undoubtedly a shit ton of illegal Glock SBR's out there. The ATF can try to flip the script and suddenly try to enforce it, but I doubt it. Glocks are already under ten foreign made components when it comes to 922(r), you could even use a foreign made stock and still be at ten or less foreign parts. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/8/2015 7:51:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: akumadiavolo]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
Glocks are already under ten foreign made components when it comes to 922(r), you could even use a foreign made stock and still be at ten or less foreign parts. Austrian Glock + Israeli RONI = 922r violation. That is probably the most common Glock SBR setup. The RONI adds more than enough foreign made parts to push it over. What about all those setups? |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 8:12:46 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akumadiavolo:
Austrian Glock + Israeli RONI = 922r violation. That is probably the most common Glock SBR setup. The RONI adds more than enough foreign made parts to push it over. What about all those setups? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akumadiavolo:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Glocks are already under ten foreign made components when it comes to 922(r), you could even use a foreign made stock and still be at ten or less foreign parts. Austrian Glock + Israeli RONI = 922r violation. That is probably the most common Glock SBR setup. The RONI adds more than enough foreign made parts to push it over. What about all those setups? By my count a stock and foregrip puts it right at ten parts. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 8:23:06 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
By my count a stock and foregrip puts it right at ten parts. Plus the muzzle device that it adds. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 9:05:13 PM EDT
[#26]
FYI, an EVO showed up at my local dealer's today (in Kansas).
No, it is not mine. Pretty sure they are keeping it haha. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 9:14:08 PM EDT
[#27]
Regardless of 922(r), and just my opinion, I think the 'pistol' will be fun as hell and if an SBR is available, then great!
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Posted: 1/8/2015 9:37:55 PM EDT
[#28]
To ask the question.....
How many parts on the list are in the Scorpion? What parts would be the easy ones to replace to get to number down to ten? Thanks, Red 
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/8/2015 10:31:06 PM EDT
[#29]
I see there is one on Gunbroker now starting at $850. Hopefully that means some floodgates are about to open.
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Posted: 1/8/2015 10:58:29 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By badredfish:
To ask the question..... How many parts on the list are in the Scorpion? What parts would be the easy ones to replace to get to number down to ten? Thanks, Red As a pistol, 14. Add a stock and that gets you to 15. Replace the fire control group and muzzle device and you'd be good. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 11:49:59 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
As a pistol, 14. Add a stock and that gets you to 15. Replace the fire control group and muzzle device and you'd be good. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By badredfish:
To ask the question..... How many parts on the list are in the Scorpion? What parts would be the easy ones to replace to get to number down to ten? Thanks, Red As a pistol, 14. Add a stock and that gets you to 15. Replace the fire control group and muzzle device and you'd be good. What can you replace the fire control group with? |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 11:55:26 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By benb:
What can you replace the fire control group with? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By benb:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By badredfish:
To ask the question..... How many parts on the list are in the Scorpion? What parts would be the easy ones to replace to get to number down to ten? Thanks, Red As a pistol, 14. Add a stock and that gets you to 15. Replace the fire control group and muzzle device and you'd be good. What can you replace the fire control group with? US built aftermarket FCGs won't take long I'm sure. |
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Posted: 1/9/2015 12:07:35 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Top_Secret:
US built aftermarket FCGs won't take long I'm sure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Top_Secret:
Originally Posted By benb:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By badredfish:
To ask the question..... How many parts on the list are in the Scorpion? What parts would be the easy ones to replace to get to number down to ten? Thanks, Red As a pistol, 14. Add a stock and that gets you to 15. Replace the fire control group and muzzle device and you'd be good. What can you replace the fire control group with? US built aftermarket FCGs won't take long I'm sure. This. Also, I'm assuming that they're using a similar design to the full auto version. I haven't seen schematics for the semi auto yet. |
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Posted: 1/9/2015 1:17:33 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryHas anyone been able to purchase any of these items yet? Do you think they're quality? |
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Posted: 1/9/2015 1:33:03 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bruins:
Has anyone been able to purchase any of these items yet? Do you think they're quality? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bruins:
Has anyone been able to purchase any of these items yet? Do you think they're quality? 187 available of the first 3. Odd. |
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Posted: 1/9/2015 1:34:29 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-TRVLR:
If you were to make a SBR out of one, where does the MFG info get put? On the plastic, or is there metal to be found? The barrel is acceptable. |
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Posted: 1/9/2015 1:38:39 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cms81586:
The barrel is acceptable. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cms81586:
Originally Posted By AR-TRVLR:
If you were to make a SBR out of one, where does the MFG info get put? On the plastic, or is there metal to be found? The barrel is acceptable. So is the plastic. Only the serial is required to be engraved in metal. |
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Posted: 1/9/2015 1:43:56 AM EDT
[#38]
I need to figure out what I'm going to do for a mag holder.
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Posted: 1/9/2015 1:49:18 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dan_Gray:
I need to figure out what I'm going to do for a mag holder. http://www.highspeedgear.com/hsgi/ex-ptaco-11EX00.html |
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Posted: 1/9/2015 1:51:53 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By Dan_Gray:
I need to figure out what I'm going to do for a mag holder. http://www.highspeedgear.com/hsgi/ex-ptaco-11EX00.html I have 3 tacos right now. They're pretty much flimsy pieces of shit. It probably wouldn't be bad only holding one mag, but I'm kind of soured. |
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Posted: 1/9/2015 3:36:11 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dan_Gray:
I have 3 tacos right now. They're pretty much flimsy pieces of shit. It probably wouldn't be bad only holding one mag, but I'm kind of soured. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dan_Gray:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By Dan_Gray:
I need to figure out what I'm going to do for a mag holder. http://www.highspeedgear.com/hsgi/ex-ptaco-11EX00.html I have 3 tacos right now. They're pretty much flimsy pieces of shit. It probably wouldn't be bad only holding one mag, but I'm kind of soured. Not my experience at all. The Tacos I have are the best mag pouches I've yet encountered. I suspect you haven't got the shock cord tensioned appropriately. |
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Posted: 1/9/2015 4:22:01 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jmacken37:
Not my experience at all. The Tacos I have are the best mag pouches I've yet encountered. I suspect you haven't got the shock cord tensioned appropriately. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jmacken37:
Originally Posted By Dan_Gray:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By Dan_Gray:
I need to figure out what I'm going to do for a mag holder. http://www.highspeedgear.com/hsgi/ex-ptaco-11EX00.html I have 3 tacos right now. They're pretty much flimsy pieces of shit. It probably wouldn't be bad only holding one mag, but I'm kind of soured. Not my experience at all. The Tacos I have are the best mag pouches I've yet encountered. I suspect you haven't got the shock cord tensioned appropriately. KYWIs are better IMO. Not as versatile, but unless you're using the same pouch for several different types of mags, they're far and away the better pouch. |
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Posted: 1/9/2015 8:33:27 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
So is the plastic. Only the serial is required to be engraved in metal. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By cms81586:
Originally Posted By AR-TRVLR:
If you were to make a SBR out of one, where does the MFG info get put? On the plastic, or is there metal to be found? The barrel is acceptable. So is the plastic. Only the serial is required to be engraved in metal. |
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Posted: 1/9/2015 8:48:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RDTCU]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rcbif:
Pretty sure the info has to be openly visible without disassembly,, so you may have to modify the hg to easily see it on the barrel. If this was not true, people would be putting their sbr markings inside their ar magwells. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rcbif:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By cms81586:
Originally Posted By AR-TRVLR:
If you were to make a SBR out of one, where does the MFG info get put? On the plastic, or is there metal to be found? The barrel is acceptable. So is the plastic. Only the serial is required to be engraved in metal. Not mine, and pretty sure it's just photoshop 
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Posted: 1/9/2015 9:01:35 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By itstock:
I have the money set aside for a t1, suppressor/adaptor/stamp, stock/stamp, and of course the gun. But Im not ordering any of it until I get a solid answer on the stock. Why is it so hard for them to give a straight answer? Are they not working with any aftermarket companies? LOL If it were this cut and dry I'm sure there would be a backlog already. It's a gamble at this point and if you don't have any machine work experience you will be more or less at the mercy of the industry. I'm going to get the stock one way or another and machine everything else to get it compliant. No probs for me. |
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Posted: 1/9/2015 10:12:09 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jmacken37:
Not my experience at all. The Tacos I have are the best mag pouches I've yet encountered. I suspect you haven't got the shock cord tensioned appropriately. I have X2RPs. The design can't handle that much weight. |
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Posted: 1/9/2015 11:35:51 AM EDT
[#47]
How much do these weigh? DannerTrax
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Posted: 1/9/2015 11:38:06 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DannerTrax:
How much do these weigh? DannerTrax a tidge over 6lbs |
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Posted: 1/9/2015 11:40:24 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dan_Gray:
a tidge over 6lbs Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dan_Gray:
Originally Posted By DannerTrax:
How much do these weigh? DannerTrax a tidge over 6lbs That's a lot for the size. DannerTrax |
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Posted: 1/9/2015 11:42:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RDTCU]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DannerTrax:
That's a lot for the size. DannerTrax Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DannerTrax:
Originally Posted By Dan_Gray:
Originally Posted By DannerTrax:
How much do these weigh? DannerTrax a tidge over 6lbs That's a lot for the size. DannerTrax Blowback means heavy bolt and beefy chassis. It's lighter than 99% of the AR's out there and a lot more compact. having the weight close in will make it feel and handle lighter. It weights about as much as a SBR Kriss empty. |
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