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Posted: 11/11/2017 6:10:52 PM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/11/2017 6:15:43 PM EDT
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What makes the apc worth $700- $800 over the ghm9?
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UT, USA
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Posted: 11/11/2017 6:35:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/83570/14119E0D-6BD3-4F3F-A76A-B4255E5ECACD-359742.jpg Also you need to get more B&T coverage over on that blog thing you do. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 11/11/2017 6:40:24 PM EDT
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Same here with my APC9, works fine with Speer 147 TMJ. I also use Freedom Hush 165gr with a TiRant 45 without issues...
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UT, USA
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Posted: 11/11/2017 7:20:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By filthyphil:
What makes the apc worth $700- $800 over the ghm9? |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 7:43:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michealj:
Looking good, there is just something about the B&T rifles aesthetics that I never get tired of. That suppressor is nearly as long as the rifle, how does it sound? Also you need to get more B&T coverage over on that blog thing you do. Funny you say that about B&T at TFB - Every time write about B&T guns I get accused of being a shill. Can’t win. We do have a video review coming up of the GHM9. |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 8:06:01 PM EDT
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Whatever bug Karl Brugger got bitten with that caused this subgun fetish of his, I'm loving it.
I'm suddenly up to 5 of his 9mm brain child's and can't seem to get enough and want more. The GHM9 is intriguing. If it's anywhere close to the quality of the APC9 it's a steal at that MSRP. Hell I couldn't believe the quality of the P26. When took it home and opened it up and disassembled it, I felt like I stole it...lol |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 11/11/2017 8:18:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud:
You’re right. My 9K should clear in a few weeks and that will be dedicated to the APC. Funny you say that about B&T at TFB - Every time write about B&T guns I get accused of being a shill. Can’t win. We do have a video review coming up of the GHM9. I would be a B&T shill any day of the week and hold my head high, easy. Trying to convince someone to buy a Kahr Arms cw380 over any other pocket pistol, or even worse, the merits of the Ruger P-series, that’s shilling to be embarrassed about. Looking forward to the review, all of you guys always put up good stuff. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 11/11/2017 8:25:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bestiller:
Whatever bug Karl Brugger got bitten with that caused this subgun fetish of his, I'm loving it. I'm suddenly up to 5 of his 9mm brain child's and can't seem to get enough and want more. The GHM9 is intriguing. If it's anywhere close to the quality of the APC9 it's a steal at that MSRP. Hell I couldn't believe the quality of the P26. When took it home and opened it up and disassembled it, I felt like I stole it...lol |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 8:51:35 PM EDT
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Oh I've noticed the APC223, and I'm sure I'll justify needing one eventually. I haven't had the opportunity to shoot or handle one yet but I'm sure it's a Swiss time piece work of art just like the rest of the B&T line up.
I agree with you on the B&T shill position, I'd gladly sign up for that job. I love the way B&T takes a subgun from the past and reworks it, its kinda ingenious. |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 9:29:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michealj:
I am genuinely curious, how does it sound? Good, bad, worth the extra length, not worth it, some back pressure, none at all? I have a Trident 9 that sounds good, but it’s just too long. I would be a B&T shill any day of the week and hold my head high, easy. Trying to convince someone to buy a Kahr Arms cw380 over any other pocket pistol, or even worse, the merits of the Ruger P-series, that’s shilling to be embarrassed about. Looking forward to the review, all of you guys always put up good stuff. Thanks for the kind words. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/11/2017 11:33:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud:
You’re right. My 9K should clear in a few weeks and that will be dedicated to the APC. Funny you say that about B&T at TFB - Every time write about B&T guns I get accused of being a shill. Can’t win. We do have a video review coming up of the GHM9. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 11/11/2017 11:34:33 PM EDT
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I am barely resisting the APC223, barely. I traded my last Scar16 for the APC9. I still have a Scar17 but just wait til the APC308 hits the market. Still in testing.
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Posted: 11/12/2017 10:28:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJofFL:
Does the Apc9 feed 147 grain flat nose subsonic? I want one, but only to run it suppressed. I saw a video where the Ghm9 won't. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 11/18/2017 8:33:22 PM EDT
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Just returned from the range with my B&T APC9 and my new GHM9. I only brought Winchester White Box 115 grain and American Eagle 147 grain Truncated/flat nose ball. The APC ate it all and asked for seconds but the GHM9 sadly would not feed the flat nose 147 ammo. It would end up misfed with the nose up pressed between the chamber and bolt every time. I found that if I slowly rode the bolt on that ammo it sometimes loaded into the chamber. It'll contact B&T and see what their answer is to the problem. Im curious is a JHP like the Hornady American Handgunner will load properly because of its rounded form. I suspect it might. Still, the GHM9 was flawless with ball ammo and I can't wait to get a nice brace and eventually SBR. I'm still not surprised that the APC9 is still my favorite but the GHM is going to be fun as well.
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TN, USA
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Posted: 11/18/2017 8:38:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: s1g]
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Duplicate post, deleted.
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Posted: 11/21/2017 7:34:29 AM EDT
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-KDEMHhw7c[/youtube]
In case you missed the TFBTV review of the GHM9. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2017 10:03:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: poepoe310]
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Posted: 11/21/2017 10:17:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-KDEMHhw7c
In case you missed the TFBTV review of the GHM9. |
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Posted: 11/21/2017 11:43:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: bestiller]
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It is my understanding that the price difference is due to the APC9 upper receiver requiring a more involved manufacturing process and the
APC9 also has an advanced buffer system in comparison to the GHM9. From the video the GHM9 recoil spring system looks similar to the P26 system (the gun it replaced). As I mentioned previously, if the GHM9 is anything like the rest of the B&T 9mm lineup, it's an absolute steal at that MSRP. I haven't gotten around to justify buying a GHM9 yet because I have every other 9mm in the lineup (USW is on the way to me) and let me tell you these guns ooze Swiss quality. If you're wrestling with getting one, just get it and you won't be disappointed. I was even amazed by the P26 when I got it, I still don't know how they sold the gun at that MSRP and made a profit. |
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Posted: 11/21/2017 11:46:19 AM EDT
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There are some confirmed reports of the GHM9 not being able to cycle hollow points and flat nosed ammo. B&T is working on a fix that will include a new feed ramp that will be user replaceable.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bestiller:
It is my understanding that the price difference is due to the APC9 upper receiver requiring a more involved manufacturing process and the APC9 also has an advanced buffer system in comparison to the GHM9. From the video the GHM9 recoil spring system looks similar to the P26 system (the gun it replaced). As I mentioned previously, if the GHM9 is anything like the rest of the B&T 9mm lineup, it's an absolute steal at that MSRP. I haven't gotten around to justify buying a GHM9 yet because I have every other 9mm in the lineup (USW is on the way to me) and let me tell you these guns ooze Swiss quality. If you're wrestling with getting one, just get it and you won't be disappointed. I was even amazed by the P26 when I got it, I still don't know how they sold the gun at that MSRP |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2017 5:12:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud:
There are some confirmed reports of the GHM9 not being able to cycle hollow points and flat nosed ammo. B&T is working on a fix that will include a new feed ramp that will be user replaceable. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/21/2017 11:36:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud:There are some confirmed reports of the GHM9 not being able to cycle hollow points and flat nosed ammo. B&T is working on a fix that will include a new feed ramp that will be user replaceable. |
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Posted: 11/22/2017 12:23:04 AM EDT
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Not a dumb question. I’m trying to clarify a timeline and retrofit possibilities.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJofFL: User replaceable on existing guns? Forgive me if that's a dumb question, just want to clarify. |
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Posted: 11/22/2017 10:24:30 AM EDT
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If its like the APC, it'll be user replaceable. Extractor and feed ramps are torx screwed in and easy to access. I'm trying to find spares for both for mine.
Seems they like similarity between guns, so a picture of the feed ramp area should be enough to tell. |
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Posted: 11/22/2017 10:31:24 AM EDT
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Think I'm gonna pick up the APC 223 and 9 with the tax return. Want the TP9 also, especially since Tim's (MAC) recent review of it suppressed. Been saving for an MP5 clone, but the APC is more up my alley.
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Posted: 11/22/2017 10:46:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fivepointoh:
Think I'm gonna pick up the APC 223 and 9 with the tax return. Want the TP9 also, especially since Tim's (MAC) recent review of it suppressed. Been saving for an MP5 clone, but the APC is more up my alley. |
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Posted: 11/22/2017 12:43:08 PM EDT
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i walked into the gun store and had them pull the APC out of the warehouse so i could look at it just to be sure that it wasnt somehow more amazing than the Zenith i went in for (always wanted an MP5, child of the 80's...). I fondled 3 Zeniths in various configs and had the one i wanted picked out.
The APC came out, i spent all of about 3 minutes and told them to wrap it up. 
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Posted: 11/22/2017 2:19:19 PM EDT
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I was dead set on SBR'ing a Zenith Z-5P, but at the last minute decided to reroute and go with the APC9.
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IN, USA
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Posted: 11/22/2017 7:19:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: yamadog35]
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I have an APC9 and LOVE IT. For you guys that have both an APC9 and GHM-9 or have shot both. . . Unless I just want to add more B&T to my collection, is the GHM-9 really any different or better than the APC9? Right now funding wise I'd rather be obtaining suppressors for my APC9 and P26. That is unless the GHM-9 is really all that . . . (Oh, and that damn APC223 is calling my name too
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Posted: 11/22/2017 7:21:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yamadog35:
I have an APC9 and LOVE IT. For you guys that have both an APC9 and GHM-9 or have shot both. . . Unless I just want to add more B&T to my collection, is the GHM-9 really any different or better than the APC9? Right now funding wise I'd rather be obtaining suppressors for my APC9 and P26. That is unless the GHM-9 is really all that . . . (Oh, and that damn APC223 is calling my name too ) |
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Posted: 11/22/2017 8:30:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yamadog35:
I have an APC9 and LOVE IT. For you guys that have both an APC9 and GHM-9 or have shot both. . . Unless I just want to add more B&T to my collection, is the GHM-9 really any different or better than the APC9? Right now funding wise I'd rather be obtaining suppressors for my APC9 and P26. That is unless the GHM-9 is really all that . . . (Oh, and that damn APC223 is calling my name too ) |
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Posted: 11/22/2017 11:19:41 PM EDT
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I find myself wanting a TP9 more and more. That is all.
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UT, USA
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Posted: 11/23/2017 12:44:52 AM EDT
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Shooting these things is what I find addicting, if I didn’t have to continuously resupply my ammo stash, I would have money left for more toys. Since I got my SBR paperwork back my reserves have fallen significantly faster than they are being filled. Last month with the great weather we had I shot over 4000 rounds of 9mm, so far this month I’m at about 2500. I don’t want to talk about the ammo I’ve ran through my APC223 in the past year.
For you guys that are not shooting the APC9 suppressed, you are missing out. This thing is truly in a class of its own when ran suppressed. Last time I was out with friends I took my APC9, P26, Scorpion and MPX with a group of 4 friends. After getting trigger time with each of them, the only gun anyone really cared about was the APC. Honestly the only reason I get the Scorpion and MPX out of the safe is so I don’t have to “share” the APC when I’m out with friends. |
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Posted: 11/23/2017 1:36:18 AM EDT
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Damn this thread...I recently scratched my CZ Scorpion EVO itch (after selling my first a couple of years ago), by buying another and doing several mods including Tailhook brace mounted to folding CZ adapter. And I want some other variants
I’m waiting on SBR (Zenith clone MP5) to be let out of jail Now I want several B&T guns... When wil it end |
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Posted: 11/23/2017 10:51:22 AM EDT
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10% off at Brownells and they have the APC9. As FYI they recently took away inclusion of the SB Tac brace but kept it at same price as far as I can tell.
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ND, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2017 11:15:46 AM EDT
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What kind of light/switch setups are you all doing for your apc9/45s?
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Posted: 11/25/2017 1:24:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By roughrider94:
What kind of light/switch setups are you all doing for your apc9/45s? 
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Posted: 11/25/2017 6:12:09 PM EDT
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What would be so hard about Surefire making a light like the 620 or whatever with offset built in mount that has activation switches on top of the mount. Why hasn't this been done? Sort of like how the MAWL is set up.
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Posted: 11/25/2017 6:38:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fivepointoh:
What would be so hard about Surefire making a light like the 620 or whatever with offset built in mount that has activation switches on top of the mount. Why hasn't this been done? Sort of like how the MAWL is set up. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 7:38:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud:
Love that idea. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud:
Originally Posted By fivepointoh:
What would be so hard about Surefire making a light like the 620 or whatever with offset built in mount that has activation switches on top of the mount. Why hasn't this been done? Sort of like how the MAWL is set up. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 8:27:58 PM EDT
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Do any of you know if B&T make the APC9 or APC223 in a factory SBR?
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Posted: 11/25/2017 8:35:51 PM EDT
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I think they are all imported as pistols with the stock hinge already mounted. At least I've never seen a factory SBR from them.
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UT, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2017 8:37:46 PM EDT
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I’ve only seen them as pistols. The SPR300 is the only rifle SBR I’ve seen from them.
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Posted: 11/25/2017 8:44:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tonysoprano150]
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Dakota Tactical has a promotion through 11/27 for 10% off with free shipping on B&T products including guns and a free pistol brace with APC purchases. I just FO’d an APC45 and some mags.
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Posted: 11/25/2017 9:06:14 PM EDT
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Thanks for the head up. I just picked up some APC9 magazines and may grab a USW holster. 10% is enough to draw me in.
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Posted: 11/25/2017 9:08:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bestiller:
I think they are all imported as pistols with the stock hinge already mounted. At least I've never seen a factory SBR from them. Originally Posted By michealj:
I’ve only seen them as pistols. The SPR300 is the only rifle SBR I’ve seen from them. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2017 11:10:45 PM EDT
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This thread seems to be about more than the APC 9 so I thought I would leave this here. Arms Unlimted has the KH9 on sale for $1750. Its the lowest price I have seen. I am not affiliated with them at all and only found the deal while looking for mags for my KH9.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2017 1:01:37 PM EDT
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Yesterday I took the P26 out for the first time after finally getting an optic for it. The right side ambi safety snapped off in the first 10 mins. I'll try to reach out to B&T to see if any replacements are available...
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Posted: 11/26/2017 1:42:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MichaelHK:
Yesterday I took the P26 out for the first time after finally getting an optic for it. The right side ambi safety snapped off in the first 10 mins. I'll try to reach out to B&T to see if any replacements are available... <a href="https://imgur.com/u8W7Gky"></a>http://i.imgur.com/u8W7Gky.jpg
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