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UT, USA
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Posted: 9/10/2017 1:12:35 AM EDT
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Looks like someone across the pond is looking out for us and has posted video of the GHM9 being field stripped and re-assembled. Interesting how B&T integrated the buffer into the bolt carrier.
Not my video |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 9/10/2017 1:38:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud:
http://www.dakotatactical.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=75_76&products_id=110&zenid=jt42jjq609jsca5bq9mndmtt35 Preorder up on the GHM9 @dakotatactical $1274 |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 9/10/2017 10:38:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michealj:
Looks like someone across the pond is looking out for us and has posted video of the GHM9 being field stripped and re-assembled. Interesting how B&T integrated the buffer into the bolt carrier. Not my video Pretty neat to see how the buffer is incorporated, and how it's milled out in the middle for the AR type hammer. One take away is that the receiver looks like a KH9, but only in passing. Wonder how this can be cheaper than the KH9 since the amount of machining on the receiver is similar. I can see the savings in the simplified AR FCG and bolt. The KH9 sear linkage is much more complicated. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 9/11/2017 12:55:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dushan]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Trpclfvr:
Wonder what that logo is on the bottom of the receiver, hidden by the rear stock block? Join the facebook group Brügger & Thomet (B&T) Firearm Owners Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/1296908786998938/ Logo pic https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1937029169913231&set=p.1937029169913231&type=3&theater |
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USA
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Posted: 9/12/2017 6:13:34 PM EDT
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Can anyone directly compare recoil of the APC9 to an MP5 also to a Scorpion (all suppressed or not)?
I sold my Scorpion because it was too aggressive in recoil compared to the MP5, I could see no reason to keep it as it was MP5 sized and didn't run as nice. Now considering the APC9 because it's practically MP5-K PDW sized but don't want to get into the same scenario now just for more money - Anyone? |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2017 8:42:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: michealj]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By new21022:
Can anyone directly compare recoil of the APC9 to an MP5 also to a Scorpion (all suppressed or not)? I sold my Scorpion because it was too aggressive in recoil compared to the MP5, I could see no reason to keep it as it was MP5 sized and didn't run as nice. Now considering the APC9 because it's practically MP5-K PDW sized but don't want to get into the same scenario now just for more money - Anyone? Both are SBRed and I run them with an Evo-9. Edit: So yesterday I took my Scorpion, APC9 and P26 out for a little afternoon shooting because my wife said the the recoil of the APC9 was much lighter than the Scorpion. She is right, I am not recoil sensitive so I don't really pay attention when shooting smaller caliber's, so while shooting all three I paid close attention to the recoil. APC9: Suppressed, there is recoil but it is more of a aggressive push to the shoulder in a very linear motion. Unsuppressed, the recoil is pretty much the same but I could feel the buffer absorbing the recoil more so than when suppressed. P26: Pretty much the same as the APC9, the difference is the stock which caused a little more pressure on my shoulder and a slight rattle in my jawbone. Scorpion: Compared to the APC9 this little guy produces a sharper recoil that almost feels like a slap to the face and a light punch to the shoulder. It felt like the recoil spring had to do much more work to control the bolt than on the other two and I could feel the bolt cycling with no buffer to slow the bolt at the end of its stroke. The stock was definitely causing the slap to the face feel that I did not notice with the APC. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/18/2017 7:55:52 PM EDT
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Thanks for posting that with the edit.
Sounds like the APC9 might be my PCC competition gun this year. Tried with the MP5, but mag changes were dumb. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 12:23:12 AM EDT
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Traded a backup AR and a bit of cash for Brownell's only APC9 yesterday. Did 2 mags worth of dirt shooting.
I have a new favorite gun. 
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Posted: 9/21/2017 1:37:24 PM EDT
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Parts are starting to dry up at my usual places.
Need: APC folding stock Stubby VFG Want: Jet Funnel mag well Mag coupler |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 2:57:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud:
Parts are starting to dry up at my usual places. Need: APC folding stock Stubby VFG Want: Jet Funnel mag well Mag coupler Here |
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USA
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Posted: 9/21/2017 3:58:12 PM EDT
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Brownells has 10% off today, B&T firearms included. Better than most places dealer price on B&Ts.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2017 7:24:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: N_Parker]
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GHM9 on GB
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/698698299 |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2017 9:50:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By N_Parker:
GHM9 on GB http://www.gunbroker.com/item/698698299 |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2017 12:31:20 AM EDT
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Will there be a SB brace for the new GHM9? I was all set on buying a Zenith Z-5P but kind of like the looks of the new GHM9. And it's cheaper.
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NV, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2017 1:30:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Exetik:
Will there be a SB brace for the new GHM9? I was all set on buying a Zenith Z-5P but kind of like the looks of the new GHM9. And it's cheaper. |
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Posted: 9/22/2017 12:10:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud:
Parts are starting to dry up at my usual places. Need: APC folding stock Stubby VFG Want: Jet Funnel mag well Mag coupler http://www.brownells.com/magazines/rifle-magazines/magazine-couplers-amp-holders/magazine-clamp-for-b-t-apc-prod108141.aspx Im on the hunt for a spare bolt assembly or firing pin, an extractor and maybe feed ramps as those two are easy to replace, which tells me they might need to be. |
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Posted: 9/22/2017 12:12:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By new21022:
Brownells has 10% off today, B&T firearms included. Better than most places dealer price on B&Ts. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2017 1:20:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By N_Parker:
GHM9 on GB http://www.gunbroker.com/item/698698299 |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2017 1:49:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By branflake12:
Im on the hunt for a spare bolt assembly or firing pin, an extractor and maybe feed ramps as those two are easy to replace, which tells me they might need to be. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2017 1:54:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Exetik:
Will there be a SB brace for the new GHM9? I was all set on buying a Zenith Z-5P but kind of like the looks of the new GHM9. And it's cheaper |
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Posted: 9/22/2017 2:01:09 PM EDT
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2017 3:12:45 PM EDT
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Atlantic Arms has the GMH9 for $1274
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Posted: 9/23/2017 7:03:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ATLANTIC-FIREARMS]
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 9/24/2017 7:29:40 PM EDT
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FYI, the description for the firearm has errors. The SA/DA description is for the KH9 only. The GHM FCG has the same functionality of any AR.
Additionally, the note in there about the 50-round B&T magazine is incorrect. Again, that refers to the KH9, where it can be adapted to use Suomi Coffin Magazines (WW2 surplus only). The largest capacity B&T magazine is 30 rounds. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:
B&T GHM9 Pistol fresh off the boat ,Here are some pics . B&T GHM9 Pistol |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2017 5:49:14 AM EDT
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Looks like that safety setup is the same as the P26 I got, needs right hand safety delete as well, you can see it interferes with the shooter's grip from the pic above.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2017 1:37:29 PM EDT
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I want one
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USA
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Posted: 9/29/2017 12:46:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xM16a1x:
I bought one today! So excited. |
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Posted: 9/29/2017 1:23:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By home_alone1:
Can you do a quick rundown of it when you get it with a few pictures please ? I'm really considering one myself . I love my 9mm Steyr Aug but it's a bit heavy at almost 12 pounds loaded with all the accessories and it's 26" long. Looking for something a bit lighter with a 3 lug for my octane. Spent to much money on the Aug platform, these now Ghm9 pistols look like a lot of gun for the money! |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2017 11:37:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By home_alone1:
Can you do a quick rundown of it when you get it with a few pictures please ? I'm really considering one myself . I love my 9mm Steyr Aug but it's a bit heavy at almost 12 pounds loaded with all the accessories and it's 26" long. Looking for something a bit lighter with a 3 lug for my octane. Spent to much money on the Aug platform, these now Ghm9 pistols look like a lot of gun for the money! |
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Posted: 9/30/2017 8:28:24 AM EDT
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I've had mine for a couple weeks now. Only a couple mags thru it, but it's an amazing gun.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/30/2017 11:58:27 AM EDT
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HB industries is selling a safety delete now and reduced power safety springs, ordered the delete for my P26.
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Posted: 9/30/2017 8:41:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kanewtervalve:
HB industries is selling a safety delete now and reduced power safety springs, ordered the delete for my P26. I'd likely do both of them. That safety is super stiff. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 9/30/2017 10:21:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By branflake12:
For the Apc as well? I'd likely do both of them. That safety is super stiff. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 10/1/2017 7:00:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kanewtervalve:
HB industries is selling a safety delete now and reduced power safety springs, ordered the delete for my P26. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/2/2017 5:16:06 PM EDT
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FYI - was just notified that the USW is in-stock at ArmsUnlimited - $2,244. In case anyone is looking to pick up one...
https://www.armsunlimited.com/USW-Universal-Service-Weapon-9mm-Pistol-w-Stock-p/bt-430001.htm |
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Posted: 10/3/2017 9:20:40 AM EDT
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OK, So i'm new to this PCC stuff. I have been waiting for over a year for LWRC to get off their asses and get there subgun out. but I don't think that is ever going to happen. so I went to buy a MPX, while there I saw a Zenith Z5p. almost bought it, until the guy tells me about the Magical Gun called a APC 9. So I am pretty much all set to pick up a APC9. but I have a quick question that I haven't been able to locate an answer to.
I have a Rugged Obsidian with a 3 lug adapter. Will that attach to the APC9 without a problem. I'm going the Brace route(which I may regret). I have a few SBR's but I want something that is small and good in a bag for traveling. Has anyone Tried to put one of these in a Vertx EDC Commuter Sling bag? thanks in advance guys. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/3/2017 10:35:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MacThePunisher:
OK, So i'm new to this PCC stuff. I have been waiting for over a year for LWRC to get off their asses and get there subgun out. but I don't think that is ever going to happen. so I went to buy a MPX, while there I saw a Zenith Z5p. almost bought it, until the guy tells me about the Magical Gun called a APC 9. So I am pretty much all set to pick up a APC9. but I have a quick question that I haven't been able to locate an answer to. I have a Rugged Obsidian with a 3 lug adapter. Will that attach to the APC9 without a problem. I'm going the Brace route(which I may regret). I have a few SBR's but I want something that is small and good in a bag for traveling. Has anyone Tried to put one of these in a Vertx EDC Commuter Sling bag? thanks in advance guys. |
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Posted: 10/3/2017 11:11:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 59chevy:
The Obsidian with the 3 lug shouldn’t have any problems attaching to the APC9. |
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Posted: 10/3/2017 2:32:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MacThePunisher:
OK, So i'm new to this PCC stuff. I have been waiting for over a year for LWRC to get off their asses and get there subgun out. but I don't think that is ever going to happen. so I went to buy a MPX, while there I saw a Zenith Z5p. almost bought it, until the guy tells me about the Magical Gun called a APC 9. So I am pretty much all set to pick up a APC9. but I have a quick question that I haven't been able to locate an answer to. I have a Rugged Obsidian with a 3 lug adapter. Will that attach to the APC9 without a problem. I'm going the Brace route(which I may regret). I have a few SBR's but I want something that is small and good in a bag for traveling. Has anyone Tried to put one of these in a Vertx EDC Commuter Sling bag? thanks in advance guys. |
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Posted: 10/3/2017 3:37:33 PM EDT
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Does anyone know what the GHM9 reciever is made of? Appears to be polymer, but havent seen for sure.
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Posted: 10/3/2017 3:43:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By branflake12:
When I got mine,I was waiting for them to pull it out and handled 3 zenith and 1 mpx. The APC is noticeably better in every way I can think of. I was very impressed and plunked down the card right then. So, need to just settle my mind and just do it. There is just something about the Look of the Zenith. I am getting this as a travel piece and something for my wife to shoot, she is not a fan of my 556's. the apc look easier for a newer shooter to handle as well. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 10/3/2017 4:25:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dhd1:
Does anyone know what the GHM9 reciever is made of? Appears to be polymer, but havent seen for sure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dhd1:
Does anyone know what the GHM9 reciever is made of? Appears to be polymer, but havent seen for sure. Originally Posted By MacThePunisher: Originally Posted By branflake12:When I got mine,I was waiting for them to pull it out and handled 3 zenith and 1 mpx. The APC is noticeably better in every way I can think of. I was very impressed and plunked down the card right then. |
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Posted: 10/4/2017 10:46:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MacThePunisher]
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I picked up a APC9 this morning from Brownells. They are listed at $2035 with a brace and are running a $50 off Code. Figured I couldnt beat 1995 shipped W/brace.
Thanks for the help guys, now I just need to try and find mags a little cheaper. |
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Posted: 10/4/2017 12:00:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MacThePunisher:
I picked up a APC9 this morning from Brownells. They are listed at $2035 with a brace and are running a $50 off Code. Figured I couldnt beat 1995 shipped W/brace. Thanks for the help guys, now I just need to try and mind mags a little cheaper. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/4/2017 12:48:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MacThePunisher:
I picked up a APC9 this morning from Brownells. They are listed at $2035 with a brace and are running a $50 off Code. Figured I couldnt beat 1995 shipped W/brace. Thanks for the help guys, now I just need to try and mind mags a little cheaper. |
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Posted: 10/4/2017 10:12:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MacThePunisher:
I picked up a APC9 this morning from Brownells. They are listed at $2035 with a brace and are running a $50 off Code. Figured I couldnt beat 1995 shipped W/brace. Thanks for the help guys, now I just need to try and find mags a little cheaper. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2017 10:55:27 PM EDT
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Already have an APC9 with the SB Tactical Brace and was looking forward to getting ahold of a GHM9 to see what I thought. Found two in stock today and was able to check it out up close. Looks like the lower is the same as the APC but they've made the safety switch a little beefier. Same quality build as the APC for quite a lot lower price. They even included the fast mag loader in the box. I didn't hesitate and put one on layaway. B&T is definitely a next level company. It looks like they are trying to build up a little more in America. If so, we will probably see the parts availability we'd like.
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UT, USA
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Posted: 10/17/2017 3:40:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: michealj]
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Got to spend some time with my Rugged Obsidian at the range today. Ran it with the 3 lug on the APC9 and P26 in long and short configuration with both the 45 and 9mm end caps. I haven't been this excited for a suppressor in a long time.
The suppressed APC9 ran flawless for about 120 rounds of various 147gr. TMJ and HP loads. The P26 had a few FTF while suppressed. I have ran my evo9 on the P26 for about a thousand rounds and haven't had any issues, maybe it's time I cleaned it. Terrible pictures I know, the lighting at the range sucks. These are the best of what I took. 
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TN, USA
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Posted: 10/17/2017 4:21:03 PM EDT
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Sweet. I thought about the P26 but held out for the GHM9 in the end. I don't have a can for my 9's yet but looking forward to getting one.
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USA
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Posted: 10/17/2017 11:06:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: STXDobie]
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For those of you with factory SBR's or those that have SBR'd a pistol APC9/45, which stock do you prefer? The collapsible looks like the ticket but at $600+ it's a steep entry fee. Is the side folder the perfect length or do you find it too short or too long? I am considering buying a factory SBR with the collapsible but I want to be sure that stock isn't a turd first. Also, which stubby VFG are most using? Lastly, What's the current best price on 30-round magazines for the APC 9?
I went ahead and picked up the right-side safety delete and safety springs from HB Industries. I could't stand where the safety lever hits the webbing on my right hand, super painful over time. I'd like to run a short arm lever on that side to keep the ambi aspect, but I can live with the delete until someone comes up with an alternative. |
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