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Posted: 4/13/2014 7:55:20 PM EDT

i am wanting a .45 acp pcc that takes glock mags for under 1k, does anyone make one?

Posted: 4/13/2014 8:08:50 PM EDT

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i am wanting a .45 acp pcc that takes glock mags for under 1k, does anyone make one?

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KelTec Sub 2000 in Glock 9mm but they are nearly impossible to find and very overpriced.

Posted: 4/13/2014 8:10:51 PM EDT

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KelTec Sub 2000 in Glock 9mm but they are nearly impossible to find and very overpriced.

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i am wanting a .45 acp pcc that takes glock mags for under 1k, does anyone make one?

KelTec Sub 2000 in Glock 9mm but they are nearly impossible to find and very overpriced.

i think you may have missed the .45acp part.

Posted: 4/13/2014 8:12:03 PM EDT

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TNW's Aero take down carbine and pistols in 45ACP
http://tnwfirearms.com/complete-guns/asr-aero-survival-rifle.html
They were $550 from Centerfire for awhile

I had one in 9mm for awhile, but ended up selling it and just building another AR

Posted: 4/13/2014 8:19:49 PM EDT

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TNW's Aero take down carbine and pistols in 45ACP
http://tnwfirearms.com/complete-guns/asr-aero-survival-rifle.html
They were $550 from Centerfire for awhile

I had one in 9mm for awhile, but ended up selling it and just building another AR

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may i ask why?

i have been considering just building on a ddles large frame lower, but that would probably be just as expensive.

Posted: 4/13/2014 9:02:04 PM EDT

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i think you may have missed the .45acp part.

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i am wanting a .45 acp pcc that takes glock mags for under 1k, does anyone make one?

KelTec Sub 2000 in Glock 9mm but they are nearly impossible to find and very overpriced.

i think you may have missed the .45acp part.

Sure did. Way past time for me to hit the sack!

ETA: There are some Glock "conversion" carbine products out there, e.g., MechTech. Looks kinda cool but by the time you add on all the shit you need, it's pricey.

Edited again to add: http://www.justrightcarbines.com/JR_Carbine_Products.html

Posted: 4/14/2014 7:13:33 AM EDT

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The TNW ASR comes in a Glock version. They have gone up in price since they first came out however. They aren't under $600 any more. You would have to poke around to find what they are going for now. I just spoke with them Saturday at Knob Creek. They have made like 3,000 of them now so while they are not abundant they are more common. They have improved them since new. They had the normal teething problems with the first few hundred.

The other easy choice is the Just Right Carbine. It can be had to take either Glock or 1911 magazines. They were selling for around $700 or so if you shop wisely.

I have both of the above and both work OK. If I could only have one it would be the JRC. If I needed a lightweight break down rifle to carry in a bag I would go with the ASR as it was created to do just that.

Posted: 4/14/2014 8:17:37 AM EDT

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My JRC in 9mm works great. I'd consider checking out the .45 GLOCK mag version!

Posted: 4/14/2014 9:12:51 AM EDT

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There is another option...

... but only if you're willing to SBR one of your 21s (or live somewhere outside the US, in a place where bbl length + stock isn't an issue).

* FTR, I am still doing T&E on this so don't view this as a blanket endorsement yet. That said, I like it very much so far. Testing it with an inexpensive TruGlo RDS, but most likely I will put an EOTech on it when I am done. And I anticipate liking it all the more once my Octane 45HD gets out of NFA jail.

Posted: 4/14/2014 9:24:34 AM EDT

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There is another option...

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... but only if you're willing to SBR one of your 21s (or live somewhere outside the US, in a place where bbl length + stock isn't an issue).

* FTR, I am still doing T&E on this so don't view this as a blanket endorsement yet. That said, I like it very much so far. Testing it with an inexpensive TruGlo RDS, but most likely I will put an EOTech on it when I am done. And I anticipate liking it all the more once my Octane 45HD gets out of NFA jail.

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Why not be a sport and tell us what it is?

Posted: 4/14/2014 9:33:40 AM EDT

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My bad, I thought it was obvious (and it is kind of spelled out in the names of the pics in your quote above

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I SBR'd a Glock 21SF pistol and put it in a CAA RONI chassis.

http://www.caatactical.com/viewProduct.asp?ID=347&catID=376

There are other similar products out there (many here prefer the KPOS with its side-folding stock) but I played with a very early example of these years ago at the NRA AM in Charlotte and had a long conversation with the designer... been wanting one ever since. That early one was for a G17 but I already have several PCCs that take 9mm Glock mags and I have been dissatisfied with all the .45 options thus far, so I went with a 21 for this project and couldn't be happier with the outcome so far... as for the long term, we shall see.

FWIW, they are supposed to be introducing a long-bbl/non-NFA conversion as well, but I haven't seen one yet.

Posted: 4/14/2014 10:08:09 AM EDT

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. . . FWIW, they are supposed to be introducing a long-bbl/non-NFA conversion as well, but I haven't seen one yet.

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How long of a barrel can be used on a pistol whose muzzle flips up each cycle (as the slide moves back and forward)?

And as far as a pistol-based NFA goes, aren't the stock and foregrip the NFA issues rather than the length of barrel?

Posted: 4/14/2014 10:34:37 AM EDT

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How long of a barrel can be used on a pistol whose muzzle flips up each cycle (as the slide moves back and forward)?
And as far as a pistol-based NFA goes, aren't the stock and foregrip the NFA issues rather than the length of barrel?

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. . . FWIW, they are supposed to be introducing a long-bbl/non-NFA conversion as well, but I haven't seen one yet.

How long of a barrel can be used on a pistol whose muzzle flips up each cycle (as the slide moves back and forward)?
And as far as a pistol-based NFA goes, aren't the stock and foregrip the NFA issues rather than the length of barrel?

That would be my concern as well if I was interested in one, even though I have seen carbine length barrels/conversions for tilt-bbl designs in the past. Truth be told, the upcoming RONI carbine kit not have a long barrel at all but rather a permanently affixed "shroud" that is part of the same chassis that holds the stock assembly -- since the stock couldn't be used without the chassis it MIGHT (who knows what the ATF might decide?) qualify for OAL the same way a permattached FH or shroud does in other cases. IDK, personally, and I'm not in the market for one so I haven't dug around on that one.

A combination thereof, really. A pistol cannot have a VFG, but a rifle (SBR or not) can. An AOW can have a VFG, but not a stock (ever). A pistol can be made into a rifle with the addition of a 16"+ bbl and a stock, and later returned back to original pistol form, but can never have the stock attached without a 16" bbl unless first registered as an SBR. I registered the G21SF above as an SBR specifically to use it with this RONI kit and the original pistol-length bbl (until my Octane comes in, at which point I will install an extended threaded bbl; the "FH" section of the RONI is removable and leaves enough clearance for the Octane). I could remove it from the RONI temporarily and use it like I would a pistol, but legally it is still a SBR (not an issue, as I have other G21s to use for pistol purposes).

Posted: 4/14/2014 10:39:01 AM EDT

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How long of a barrel can be used on a pistol whose muzzle flips up each cycle (as the slide moves back and forward)?

And as far as a pistol-based NFA goes, aren't the stock and foregrip the NFA issues rather than the length of barrel?

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. . . FWIW, they are supposed to be introducing a long-bbl/non-NFA conversion as well, but I haven't seen one yet.

How long of a barrel can be used on a pistol whose muzzle flips up each cycle (as the slide moves back and forward)?

And as far as a pistol-based NFA goes, aren't the stock and foregrip the NFA issues rather than the length of barrel?

16", if you import the Austrian aftermarket bbl w/o a current importer & w/ the gas assisted slide shoving lug. Which is why CAA hasn't come out w/ a non-SBR stocked version, and prefers to make instant felons out of unsuspecting gun show buyers. However, if you took off the commonly illegal stock & VFG & threw a SIG arm brace on there, you might be GTG.

Posted: 4/14/2014 10:47:27 AM EDT

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... However, if you took off the commonly illegal stock & VFG & threw a SIG arm brace on there, you might be GTG.

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IIRC, they already make a pistol version of the RONI sans stock, so that might be a better basis for an arm-braced pistol project. But I'm not a fan of the braces in general and haven't been following them, so I might be missing something there.

Posted: 4/14/2014 3:06:36 PM EDT

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As an arm brace, they work well, apparently. As a substitute for a $200 tax stamp, they are not as good as the real thing, but have significant legal advantages. I've not seen any letters from BATFE on the legalities of mounting an arm brace on a more traditional pistol, but I expect they will have to write some shortly.

Posted: 4/14/2014 6:39:45 PM EDT

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There is another option...

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... but only if you're willing to SBR one of your 21s (or live somewhere outside the US, in a place where bbl length + stock isn't an issue).

* FTR, I am still doing T&E on this so don't view this as a blanket endorsement yet. That said, I like it very much so far. Testing it with an inexpensive TruGlo RDS, but most likely I will put an EOTech on it when I am done. And I anticipate liking it all the more once my Octane 45HD gets out of NFA jail.

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or this. fab defense kpos. the cocking mechanism is supposed to be better on the kpos since it pushing the front of the slide back instead of gripping the slide like the roni.

Posted: 4/14/2014 6:48:27 PM EDT

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Yeah, I actually mentioned the KPOS in my 2nd post above.

I much prefer the stock on the RONI, personally, but others seem to prefer the skinny sidefolder on the KPOS. Different strokes and all that.

Posted: 4/14/2014 8:16:32 PM EDT

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may i ask why?

i have been considering just building on a ddles large frame lower, but that would probably be just as expensive.

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TNW's Aero take down carbine and pistols in 45ACP
http://tnwfirearms.com/complete-guns/asr-aero-survival-rifle.html
They were $550 from Centerfire for awhile

I had one in 9mm for awhile, but ended up selling it and just building another AR

may i ask why?

i have been considering just building on a ddles large frame lower, but that would probably be just as expensive.

I didn't shoot it much. The trigger on mine left a lot to be desired. I'm not a trigger freak by any means, but it was rough.

Posted: 4/15/2014 5:14:39 AM EDT

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One thing I really like about the JRC....uses LOTS of AR parts like the furniture and triggers, etc. Makes it easy to customize it without breaking the bank.

Posted: 4/21/2014 9:47:01 AM EDT

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I have a JR carbine in .45acp, mainly use the 13 round factory Glock mags, runs great and surprisingly accurate at 50 yards with 185 grain ammo. Overall a lighter package than my 9mm RRA AR. This, the Theuron and the TNW Aero are the only rifles I know of under a grand that use .45acp Glock mags besides the Mech Tec conversion.

Posted: 4/21/2014 3:54:52 PM EDT

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I have a JR carbine in .45acp, mainly use the 13 round factory Glock mags, runs great and surprisingly accurate at 50 yards with 185 grain ammo. Overall a lighter package than my 9mm RRA AR. This, the Theuron and the TNW Aero are the only rifles I know of under a grand that use .45acp Glock mags besides the Mech Tec conversion.

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+1

I would take the JRC over the Mech Tec conversion but that is more a personal thing as the JRC just fits me well and works well. Also, the JRC can be converted to other calibers, both .40 and 9mm in addition to the .45. Same goes for the TNW ASR. And..the ASR is coming in a .22 or .22 Mag conversion sometime soon.

Posted: 4/25/2014 2:38:01 PM EDT

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i may just find a 16 inch barrel, an extra 21 and a stock kit for a 21.

Posted: 4/27/2014 7:27:50 PM EDT

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I wonder if my JRC in 9mm could be converted to a Glock 45 model, or is it that you can't move up that big.

Posted: 4/28/2014 5:38:29 AM EDT

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Saw a JRC in 45 at a gunshow this weekend, $700, is that the going rate these days?

Posted: 4/28/2014 6:08:14 AM EDT

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Good price for a show, I paid $750 for mine last year from a local shop when prices were still inflated from panic buying. At the time I saw them going for around $850, about $75 to $100 over a 9mm carbine. I was pleasantly surprised at how well it groups 185 gr .45 rounds at 50 yards, next time I take mine out I'll shoot some 185 gr & 230 gr back to back to see the difference in POI @ 50 yards.