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Posted: 6/5/2012 1:32:13 AM
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Originally Posted By Screwball:
Out of battery...

To be fair, there are plenty of people with good experiences with the CX4, include L/E (within the past year, include military). In regards to Spectre1's view, I put my own positive experience as well as others ahead of the criticism of one... especially with the way his post was written. Someone wants to favor an AR design, good for them, but just because it is an AR doesn't mean it is better.


Since I have one of the first CX-4's (very low serial number) and have owned it since it was new, I have followed them closely looking for common problems. OOB problems don't seem to be on the list at all. Fact is in a properly working Storm the hammer can not fall on the firing pin and the firing pin is locked until the bolt is FULLY closed. It there was a OOB discharge, there was a flaw with the rifle or someone played with it (as in trying to modify the trigger without knowing what they were doing). So, I don't put much weight on this OOB discharge thing. It CAN happen, but I know its not a common issue, not even a rare one, it just doesn't seem to happen on an unmodified Storm.

If someone wants to love the AR platform, good for them. Love it for what its good at. Many of us can make a strong case for the Storm too. I see them as two different animals. If you pick them both up and handle them you will know why. As I have often told people, when it comes to any firearm once you have determined that the design is sound, as in accurate, dependable and safe, then its up to you to decide what fits and suits you and what you expect from the firearm. That is why I have several different PCC's. Each has its strengths and place. Love whatever you want, its your money and your firearm.


My Storm was purchased new, when they were first released, had a four digit serial number (at or around the 1200 mark). Put the factory sling on it when I got it home and shouldered it. The tension on the sling was enough to twist the factory mount, which was steel on plastic, causing it to fail. I also had issues with the retractible light rail failing. Both issues occured within the first 30 minutes of having it home, without every sending a round down range. As far as the speculation about tampering with the firing mechanism, the only "customization" I performed was to load up some magazines and try to run them thru the gun. The bolt ended up coming halfway out of the ejection port when it fired out of battery. To the credit of Beretta, I was not injured, and I was issued a full refund immediately.In my opinion, it is a very poorly executed design. I do like AR's, but it certainly is not the end all be all...

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Posted: 6/5/2012 12:09:15 PM
Originally Posted By Spectre1:
My Storm was purchased new, when they were first released, had a four digit serial number (at or around the 1200 mark).


Mine is in the low 700s... thousands of rounds through it, and not one issue.

Originally Posted By Spectre1:
The bolt ended up coming halfway out of the ejection port when it fired out of battery. To the credit of Beretta, I was not injured, and I was issued a full refund immediately.In my opinion, it is a very poorly executed design.


So, because of the Glocks that have blown up over the years, that design is even worse?

To say that the CX4 is garbage based on the test of one pretty much comes down to luck. Every company has defective firearms, and to be fair, that is a first I've seen with a CX4. Likewise, you take my CX4, pull the charging handle back 1/16th of an inch, the trigger goes dead. Obviously, your rifle didn't do that... but that is far from saying it is a bad design.
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Posted: 6/7/2012 10:20:31 PM
Originally Posted By Screwball:
Originally Posted By Spectre1:
My Storm was purchased new, when they were first released, had a four digit serial number (at or around the 1200 mark).


Mine is in the low 700s... thousands of rounds through it, and not one issue.

Originally Posted By Spectre1:
The bolt ended up coming halfway out of the ejection port when it fired out of battery. To the credit of Beretta, I was not injured, and I was issued a full refund immediately.In my opinion, it is a very poorly executed design.


So, because of the Glocks that have blown up over the years, that design is even worse?

To say that the CX4 is garbage based on the test of one pretty much comes down to luck. Every company has defective firearms, and to be fair, that is a first I've seen with a CX4. Likewise, you take my CX4, pull the charging handle back 1/16th of an inch, the trigger goes dead. Obviously, your rifle didn't do that... but that is far from saying it is a bad design.


I have not hear of any common problems with Storms. And, as stated, on mine you can not get the hammer to drop until the bolt is fully closed. Of course, its a machine and any machine can fail. There is a built in safety that prevents the trigger from releasing the hammer until the bolt is fully closed.

There are a lot of CX-4 owners who love their rifles and have put thousands of rounds through them. They are made of high quality parts. Good steel, nicely machined bolt and a chrome lined barrel. Sorry you had problems, some days the bear bits you in the butt. They gave you your money back...you moved on. The rest of us have enjoyed years from our Storms. Its hard to us to say much bad about them.

BTW, as I look around my house most of the things I have purchased the past few years and love....if I read all the posts on the internet, I wouldn't have bought a one of them! As most know, we never hear about the good ones, just the complaints from the few people who had bad luck.

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Posted: 6/9/2012 6:00:15 PM
I have had a Storm for several years and love it. Although I don't have much fondness for the iron sights, and use instead one of the micro Aimpoints on a LaRue mount. Great setup, a lot of fun, very lightweight and handy and reliable enough that I would employ it for serious use if nothing else was available.

I'm sure a AR would be nice in that caliber, but I think the Storm is the better idea.

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Posted: 6/11/2012 9:41:07 AM
I had a Storm for awhile, the rifle never appealed to me. My personal preference is the AR. My new Colt had to go back to the factory out of the box for light primer strikes, but since I got it back its been 100% and is my favorite fun gun. I just like the AR platform, I'm sure because of familiarity.

That being said, I did not have a single problem with the Beretta. It boils down to personal preference.

In true Arfcom fashion Id have to say"Buy Both!!"
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Posted: 6/20/2012 12:11:10 PM
if you want to suppress the storm it'll cost you a bunch more than the AR because of 922r compliance.
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Posted: 6/20/2012 4:18:17 PM
if you want to suppress the storm it'll cost you a bunch more than the AR because of 922r compliance

How is that??
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Posted: 6/20/2012 4:37:29 PM
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Originally Posted By UTCenturion:
if you want to suppress the storm it'll cost you a bunch more than the AR because of 922r compliance.



A magazine counts as 3 compliance parts so an american magazine will probably drop the foreign made parts count enough to allow modification. If you try this ensure you never have a foreign made magazine that fits near the gun. Also make sure the magazine is actually made in the US, a foreign magazine made overseas for a US company does not count.

All you have to do is get the barrel threaded and use american mags, doesn't seem too expensive to me.

Nowhere on this list does it state that threading makes the rifle not compliant
(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
(2) Barrels
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks (trunions)
(5) Muzzle attachments
(6) Bolts
(7) Bolt carriers
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers
(12) Hammers
(13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors
(15) Buttstocks
(16) Pistol grips
(17) Forearms, handguards
(18) Magazine bodies
(19) Followers
(20) Floorplates





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Posted: 6/26/2012 12:35:42 AM
Just had the class 3 shop I use get the same letter regarding threading a storm. Seems you can thread for a suppressor. I might just do one of mine shortly.
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Posted: 6/26/2012 1:06:52 AM
I'm doing my 40 cal storm as soon as I get home
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Posted: 6/26/2012 2:19:01 PM
Originally Posted By peligro113:
Originally Posted By UTCenturion:
if you want to suppress the storm it'll cost you a bunch more than the AR because of 922r compliance.



A magazine counts as 3 compliance parts so an american magazine will probably drop the foreign made parts count enough to allow modification. If you try this ensure you never have a foreign made magazine that fits near the gun. Also make sure the magazine is actually made in the US, a foreign magazine made overseas for a US company does not count.

All you have to do is get the barrel threaded and use american mags, doesn't seem too expensive to me.

Nowhere on this list does it state that threading makes the rifle not compliant
(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
(2) Barrels
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks (trunions)
(5) Muzzle attachments
(6) Bolts
(7) Bolt carriers
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers
(12) Hammers
(13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors
(15) Buttstocks
(16) Pistol grips
(17) Forearms, handguards
(18) Magazine bodies
(19) Followers
(20) Floorplates

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This is counter to what I had seen. I looked into getting the storm because I wanted to thread a 45. Now looks like maybe I can. Great info.
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Posted: 6/27/2012 11:33:29 AM
If I could get the Beretta, in a model that took either Glock, or M&P magazines, I would be all over it like white on rice.

I suspect I'm not alone in that department, either.
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Posted: 7/25/2012 8:03:13 AM
If I could find 45acp magazines over ten rounds I would buy one first thing in the morning.
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Posted: 7/25/2012 8:54:28 AM
Originally Posted By PriapusMaximus:
If I could get the Beretta, in a model that took either Glock, or M&P magazines, I would be all over it like white on rice.

I suspect I'm not alone in that department, either.


You aren't.

I would buy one the same day it was available.
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Posted: 7/25/2012 9:24:04 AM
Originally Posted By PriapusMaximus:
If I could get the Beretta, in a model that took either Glock, or M&P magazines, I would be all over it like white on rice.

I suspect I'm not alone in that department, either.


I can understand if you owned a Glock you would like to have a carbine that used your magazines. BUT, some of us don't own Glocks. We own Berettas. And if you are Beretta who's magazines do you build your rifle to use?

Beretta made the CX-4 to be easily adaptable to several different magazines. They can take Cougar, PX-4, or 92 series magazines. You can get mags from ten rounds up to thirty rounds for the 92 series. Not only that, since the 92 is the US military standard and produced for so long and in such large numbers there are just tons of choices for magazines and at great prices. While some think that 30 round mags are just the only ones worth having others of us don't care for those long stick things sticking out of the bottom of the rifle and getting in the way. My favorite mag for my CX-4 is a Mec-Gar 18 rounder that fits flush up inside the hand grip. Its out of the way, looks good and 18 rounds is plenty for most any shooting most of us do.

Sometimes people get all caught up in the fad or the style of the time. Others of us don't care what the latest "must have" thing is, we just go for what suits our own style and application. Somehow I have been shooting all sorts of firearms for a bit over fifty years now and have yet to have any need for anything that uses a Glock magazine...including a Glock pistol.

So, why would Beretta make their own carbine any different? Personally I have six or seven PCC's and none use Glock mags. Of all of them I like the CX-4 a lot. But I also have a Cav Arms lower with a 9mm upper and that is pretty sweet too. (It would be wonderful as an SBR). But the CX-4 is light, compact and shoots great. I accept it as it is as I can find nothing in its price range that better suits me. Oh, and my Kel-Tec Sub2k uses the same Beretta mags.

But you are allowed to love whatever you do also. I just hate to see people new to the sport who get brainwashed into the Glock Cult and miss out on all the other fine choices out there..
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Posted: 7/25/2012 7:25:39 PM
I love my cx4, never had one issue with factory ammo or reloads. I have ar15s also, but team the cx with a matching pistol and its a great urban combo. Iron sights on the cx suck however. A micro dot works great.
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Posted: 7/25/2012 9:30:12 PM
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Originally Posted By forever4:

... But you are allowed to love whatever you do also. I just hate to see people new to the sport who get brainwashed into the Glock Cult and miss out on all the other fine choices out there..


Glock magazines are reliable, durable, cheap, and widely available... I daresay moreso in combination than any new factory pistol magazine alternatives out there. No need for brainwashing or cults , they simply make good sense to many people. I've seen folks on this very sub-forum post that they would prefer a Glock-magged PCC even though they don't own/shoot Glock pistols at all.

That said, how sad it would be if there weren't other PCCs available for other pistol mag platforms? I have have several PCCs that use other mags (Beretta, S&W, Ruger, 1911) myself, and I'm a "Glock guy" to the core.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 10:42:29 AM
Does anyone have a picture of a storm next to a 9mm AR with the stock fully collapsed?
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