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Posted: 1/19/2011 11:20:12 AM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=6035 http://www.taurususa.com/2011newcatalog/?catalog_page=12 http://www.taurususa.com/2011newcatalog/?catalog_page=13 Based on some research, looks like a civilian-friendly version of their MT/CT submachine guns. Couldn't find any detailed info about the pistol-cal versions, but there's a CT-30 version in .30 carbine that the Brazilian police apparently returned because they sucked - not a good bit of background info. I'm mildly intrigued by the 9mm version but need to see price first. Taurus in charge of this boat worries me though. |
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Posted: 1/19/2011 12:00:27 PM
Looks kinda cool.
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Posted: 1/19/2011 12:03:33 PM
Taurus makes a better UMP clone than HK does
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Posted: 1/19/2011 1:51:54 PM
I would get one in .45
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Gamma762
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Posted: 1/19/2011 2:35:25 PM
[Last Edit: 1/19/2011 4:19:40 PM by Gamma762]
Interesting. I'd take a hacksaw to that stupid magwell though. And figure out how many compliance parts I would have to homebrew in order to get rid of that stupid stock.
30 carbine is too hot of a cartridge for a blowback action. Big fail on the 40 & 45 versions with the low cap mags. Yet again, the market fails to provide a reasonable .45 PCC. |
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Findsman
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Posted: 1/19/2011 5:56:59 PM
Little more research on the parent guns...
Looks like the MT-9 is copied from the Chilean FAMAE SAF, which itself is a 9mm derivation of the Sig SG-542. Looks very Sig-esque. FAMAE SAF Taurus Brazil MT-9 Taurus Brazil MT-40 Taurus Brazil CT-30 Taurus Brazil CT-40 Interesting to look at, very much see the Sig heritage in them. Just makes me think they'll be expensive. |
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Posted: 1/19/2011 6:05:10 PM
I really want one of these
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Posted: 1/19/2011 6:37:48 PM
They certainly look cool but they are too heavy. Any word on MSRP?
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TXGunnersM8
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Posted: 1/19/2011 7:04:39 PM
Not as horrible as I thought it would be.
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HardShell
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Posted: 1/20/2011 12:31:40 AM
Dang.
We've had very good service from multiple Taurus 9mm (full-size, 92/99 series) pistols over the years... I'll probably have to have one of these. Maybe the missus will want one. The 92/99s are all hers.  |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 12:34:39 AM
Originally Posted By Gamma762: ... And figure out how many compliance parts I would have to homebrew in order to get rid of that stupid stock... I don't mind the looks of that stock at all. If it shoulders/shoots comfortably (and I have a few t-hole-stocked rifles that do), I'll just leave it be, personally. |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 2:05:32 AM
i think i see one in my future
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Posted: 1/20/2011 6:00:37 AM
I like it a lot. I wonder if it will take any pre-ban mags for us citizens of NY
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Posted: 1/20/2011 10:42:47 AM
Originally Posted By ARJekyllMPHyde: I like it a lot. I wonder if it will take any pre-ban mags for us citizens of NY My hope is that the "34-round magazine" for the 9mm is just an extended version of the PT92/99-series mags, but it doesn't really look like it from the picture. Having yet another PCC that shares mags with a pistol platform we already own/use always appeals to me. |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 2:56:18 PM
The magazine issue doesn't bother me as much. It would certainly be nice if it took a common magazine like a glock or beretta but it isn't critical to me. I am just hoping
that the price is decent and the weight reports are inaccurate. 8-10lbs for a pistol caliber carbine seems excessive but what do I know. |
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MrBackpack
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Posted: 1/20/2011 3:29:12 PM
Originally Posted By riceshooter:
They certainly look cool but they are too heavy. Any word on MSRP? I remember reading about it yesterday, I think it was around $600-700 but I could be wrong. |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 1:12:17 AM
[Last Edit: 1/21/2011 1:12:43 AM by Gelgoog]
TBH it looks like complete crap. Normally I am all for more PCCs but good god no. Too big, too heavy, too pricey, toooooo ugly.
I hate to say it but I would rather buy a hi-point carbine than that thing. /flame on! |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 6:38:30 AM
Originally Posted By Gelgoog:
TBH it looks like complete crap. Normally I am all for more PCCs but good god no. Too big, too heavy, too pricey, toooooo ugly. I hate to say it but I would rather buy a hi-point carbine than that thing. /flame on! I.....don't understand...... |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 1:59:38 PM
I kind of like it. The grip on the magazine well area is a nice touch,but does make it look a little different/odd. All in all,very interesting.
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Posted: 1/21/2011 5:01:49 PM
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Interesting. I'd take a hacksaw to that stupid magwell though. And figure out how many compliance parts I would have to homebrew in order to get rid of that stupid stock. 30 carbine is too hot of a cartridge for a blowback action. Big fail on the 40 & 45 versions with the low cap mags. Yet again, the market fails to provide a reasonable .45 PCC. +1 
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Posted: 1/26/2011 3:49:20 PM
Been looking at the CX4 storm, but I just sold my PX4 pistol in 9mm. These look like a cool option if only they have higher capacity magazine's available in .45ACP.
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Posted: 1/26/2011 3:53:50 PM
I also took a look at the weights on these things, 9 lbs!
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Posted: 1/26/2011 3:57:00 PM
Was not to be, i suppose...
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Posted: 1/26/2011 8:19:57 PM
[Last Edit: 1/26/2011 8:22:10 PM by JPN]
Originally Posted By OBAKE:
I also took a look at the weights on these things, 9 lbs! I think Taurus may have an error on their specs page for the carbine. The 9mm version is listed as being almost a pound heavier than the .45 version. And it lists long handguard and medium handguard versions of the .40 carbine, with a difference in weight of almost a pound. http://www.taurususa.com/2011newcatalog/?catalog_page=15 Digging around for information on it, earlier today, I found a post (can't remember what forum) from someone who was told at SHOT that the weight of the carbines was in the 6 to 8 pound range. |
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Posted: 1/26/2011 10:39:31 PM
Originally Posted By JPN:
Originally Posted By OBAKE:
I also took a look at the weights on these things, 9 lbs! I think Taurus may have an error on their specs page for the carbine. The 9mm version is listed as being almost a pound heavier than the .45 version. And it lists long handguard and medium handguard versions of the .40 carbine, with a difference in weight of almost a pound. http://www.taurususa.com/2011newcatalog/?catalog_page=15 Digging around for information on it, earlier today, I found a post (can't remember what forum) from someone who was told at SHOT that the weight of the carbines was in the 6 to 8 pound range. Based on my experience with my four current PCC's, including a Beretta Storm and a couple of AR's in 9mm, I would say nine pounds would be porky for this this thing. I would expect them to shoot for more in the 6 or 7 pound area to make it feel right. I would like to pick one up and see how it feels. My next question would be the trigger. This is the down fall of the Beretta carbine. If they could have put a good trigger in that thing it would have made a difference. I have reworked mine some and improved it. A good metal set for it runs like $150 or more. The Storm was not cheap to begin with. So, Taurus can keep the weigh down, have a good trigger, and come in under $600 ($500 is ever better) we can talk. |
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Posted: 1/27/2011 12:52:52 AM
Originally Posted By forever4:
Based on my experience with my four current PCC's, including a Beretta Storm and a couple of AR's in 9mm, I would say nine pounds would be porky for this this thing. I would expect them to shoot for more in the 6 or 7 pound area to make it feel right. I would like to pick one up and see how it feels. My next question would be the trigger. This is the down fall of the Beretta carbine. If they could have put a good trigger in that thing it would have made a difference. I have reworked mine some and improved it. A good metal set for it runs like $150 or more. The Storm was not cheap to begin with. So, Taurus can keep the weigh down, have a good trigger, and come in under $600 ($500 is ever better) we can talk. HK lists their USC 45 as being right at 6 pounds without the magazine. If I'm not mistaken, Taurus is not using polymer as much as HK did, so it wouldn't be a surprise if the Taurus carbine was a bit heavier, but 9 pounds sounds like somebody may have goofed in converting kilograms to pounds. Looks like they did a good job of making it ambidextrous, with safety selectors (similar to the HK) on both sides, a bolt catch (looks similar to the AR) on both sides, mag release paddle in the center, and it appears that the charging handle can be installed on either side. Besides the weight, the quality of the trigger, and the price, there's the question of magazines. Looks like there shouldn't be any complaints about the capacity on the 9mm version, though it has already been pointed out that it would be a nice bonus if it could use the mags for the PT92. The .40 and .45 versions though... A 30 round mag of 230gr .45acp is a heavy mag, but 10 rounds seems kinda lame. 20 rounds of .45acp would seem to be a good compromise of weight and capacity, but is the magwell made to use some pistol mag that the aftermarket already makes an extended version of, or is it some completely new mag that Taurus made just for this carbine? |
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