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Posted: 11/21/2015 9:15:33 AM EDT
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Its not a contradiction, the original load was a 44 cal bullet over 40gr of BP. And was safe in either rifle or pistol. Even modern "pistol" loads will produce higher velocities in a rifle barrel.
All of the modern factory ammo is safe to use in your rifle. MLG |
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Posted: 11/21/2015 12:47:07 PM EDT
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The blue Magtech box has a footnote saying the 1180 fps was taken from a 24" barrel.
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Posted: 11/22/2015 2:52:44 PM EDT
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Will the Uberti hold the pressure of the "rifle" loads in 44 WCF? Yes. Will the gun last a long time shooting such loads? No.
Hot loading a Colt's clone is a fool's errand. No reason to do it. A 240 grain bullet at 1000 fps will go through any animal in North America. |
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Posted: 11/22/2015 4:16:56 PM EDT
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Will the Uberti hold the pressure of the "rifle" loads in 44 WCF? Yes. Will the gun last a long time shooting such loads? No. Hot loading a Colt's clone is a fool's errand. No reason to do it. A 240 grain bullet at 1000 fps will go through any animal in North America. Not sure what you're talking about, 44-40 has 200 grain bullets. Colts clone? Wtf does that mean? |
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Posted: 11/22/2015 7:35:31 PM EDT
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Will the Uberti hold the pressure of the "rifle" loads in 44 WCF? Yes. Will the gun last a long time shooting such loads? No. Hot loading a Colt's clone is a fool's errand. No reason to do it. A 240 grain bullet at 1000 fps will go through any animal in North America. I'd say a 240 at 1000 is light for moose, elk, bear and the like. .44 WCF wasn't exactly the go-to round for buffalo and heavy game in it's day either. Besides, 200 grains is the normal weight for .44 WCF. As far as the rifle not lasting long with "rifle loads" I'd say that's not proven nor the case for M92s or anything with more positive lockup than a toggle link . The cases may not last quite as long but the rifle can handle those pressures long enough to wear several barrels out over several lifetimes. That said, if the Uberti 73s can handle .357 magnum, they can handle a warmer .44WCF as well. |
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Posted: 11/22/2015 7:41:23 PM EDT
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Not sure what you're talking about, 44-40 has 200 grain bullets. Colts clone? Wtf does that mean? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Will the Uberti hold the pressure of the "rifle" loads in 44 WCF? Yes. Will the gun last a long time shooting such loads? No. Hot loading a Colt's clone is a fool's errand. No reason to do it. A 240 grain bullet at 1000 fps will go through any animal in North America. Not sure what you're talking about, 44-40 has 200 grain bullets. Colts clone? Wtf does that mean? Colt clone: A common term in certain circles for the Uberti, Armi San Marco, USPFA, etc. replicas of the Colt Single Action Army revolver. |
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Posted: 11/22/2015 11:59:06 PM EDT
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Colt clone: A common term in certain circles for the Uberti, Armi San Marco, USPFA, etc. replicas of the Colt Single Action Army revolver. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Will the Uberti hold the pressure of the "rifle" loads in 44 WCF? Yes. Will the gun last a long time shooting such loads? No. Hot loading a Colt's clone is a fool's errand. No reason to do it. A 240 grain bullet at 1000 fps will go through any animal in North America. Not sure what you're talking about, 44-40 has 200 grain bullets. Colts clone? Wtf does that mean? Colt clone: A common term in certain circles for the Uberti, Armi San Marco, USPFA, etc. replicas of the Colt Single Action Army revolver. As an addendum, Colt-made firearms were sometimes called "Colt's" back in the day, because they were of Col. Colt's company. "Colt's Peacemaker" "Colt's Army revolver" etc. |
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Posted: 11/23/2015 12:24:34 AM EDT
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John Taffin has an article in the 44-40 in the current GUNS or AMERICAN HANDGUNNER magazine. Don't remember which, lots of good info there, plus hand loading data.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 3:41:14 PM EDT
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I'd say a 240 at 1000 is light for moose, elk, bear and the like. .44 WCF wasn't exactly the go-to round for buffalo and heavy game in it's day either. Besides, 200 grains is the normal weight for .44 WCF. As far as the rifle not lasting long with "rifle loads" I'd say that's not proven nor the case for M92s or anything with more positive lockup than a toggle link . The cases may not last quite as long but the rifle can handle those pressures long enough to wear several barrels out over several lifetimes. That said, if the Uberti 73s can handle .357 magnum, they can handle a warmer .44WCF as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Will the Uberti hold the pressure of the "rifle" loads in 44 WCF? Yes. Will the gun last a long time shooting such loads? No. Hot loading a Colt's clone is a fool's errand. No reason to do it. A 240 grain bullet at 1000 fps will go through any animal in North America. I'd say a 240 at 1000 is light for moose, elk, bear and the like. .44 WCF wasn't exactly the go-to round for buffalo and heavy game in it's day either. Besides, 200 grains is the normal weight for .44 WCF. As far as the rifle not lasting long with "rifle loads" I'd say that's not proven nor the case for M92s or anything with more positive lockup than a toggle link . The cases may not last quite as long but the rifle can handle those pressures long enough to wear several barrels out over several lifetimes. That said, if the Uberti 73s can handle .357 magnum, they can handle a warmer .44WCF as well. Exactly. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 10:21:32 PM EDT
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The 1873 was not made for the High Velocity loads back in the day. The HV loads were for the M1892 Winchester which is much stronger. The original load was about 1300 fps with a 200 or so grain bullet.
Any of the factory 44-40 or 44 WCF loads made today will not put excessive wear on the 1873. With handloads you can up the factory speeds a bit but it is not really worth the risk. White tails out to 100 yards is fine with the 1300 fps loads. If you want to hunt with the 1873, Uberti makes a 44 Magnum version. It is made to take the 44 Magnum pressures. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:23:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAs an addendum, Colt-made firearms were sometimes called "Colt's" back in the day, because they were of Col. Colt's company. "Colt's Peacemaker" "Colt's Army revolver" etc. Not exactly. Colt's Patent Firearms Company was the name of the company that built the firearms. Therefore, in referring to firearms made by that company, using the name of the company is the correct term -- to this day. They are Colt's, never Colt. |
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