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Posted: 3/27/2015 5:17:53 AM EDT
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does anyone make a .50ae lever gun? I like that idea |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 7:15:15 AM EDT
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Rimless (or rebated rim) cartridges generally don't play well with traditional lever action designs. Something like the Ruger 77/44 might be adapted, though I doubt the market is large enough for the effort. Maybe on a full custom conversion basis.
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Posted: 3/27/2015 9:01:53 AM EDT
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500 S&W might be done.
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Posted: 3/27/2015 9:21:49 AM EDT
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Big Horn Armory makes a 89 in 500 S&W. Big Horn 89
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Posted: 3/27/2015 9:59:14 AM EDT
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In a word, no.
VandenBerg Custom in Houston tried to build one many years ago, but it never cycled properly. The shell lifter plate assembly was simply not compatible with a short, rebated rim cartridge. Ed spent a lot of time and effort, but it never came about. 
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Posted: 3/27/2015 11:44:25 AM EDT
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Rossi makes/made a M92 carbine in 454 Casull, a bit more energy than the 50ae.
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Posted: 3/27/2015 12:01:17 PM EDT
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Winchester 1886 was in 50AE
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Posted: 3/27/2015 12:05:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI have a 16" Rossi 92 in 45 LC that I absolutely love. It is the most fun gun to shoot. I always wanted another in 454 Casull. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 1:37:28 PM EDT
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I don't know of any successful rimless-cartridge leverguns. If they were around, I'd be all over a super-short-throw '73 in 45acp...
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Rossi makes/made a M92 carbine in 454 Casull, a bit more energy than the 50ae. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Rossi makes/made a M92 carbine in 454 Casull, a bit more energy than the 50ae. Around 50% at a hundred yards from a handgun; can't say about rifle comparisons, but I suspect the higher chamber pressure of the .454 would give it a substantial advantage in rifle-length barrels. I do know that power-wise, my .454 20" carbine runs between the .30-06 and .300WM rifle rounds; believe it or not. It launches a 240-grain bullet at 2430fps, for more than 3,100 ft/lbs of energy, and and believe it or not, will stay within ¾” of zero, from muzzle out to 110-120 yards, which is pretty good for a .45-caliber “handgun” bullet from a carbine. Quoted:
Winchester 1886 was in 50AE Different ".50 Express";  it was 50-110 blackpowder iirc.
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Posted: 3/27/2015 7:34:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat rossi only weighs 5#
Seems like a great elk gun for under 150 yds, but the sights look like crap, and rossi is not known for its high quality. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 7:39:35 PM EDT
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I have a 16" Rossi 92 in 45 LC that I absolutely love. It is the most fun gun to shoot. I always wanted another in 454 Casull. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I have a 16" Rossi 92 in 45 LC that I absolutely love. It is the most fun gun to shoot. I always wanted another in 454 Casull. So what is your no BS assessment of the rossi quality? My opinion is based on a friends rossi 357 that really was a turd right out of the box. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 8:05:31 PM EDT
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So what is your no BS assessment of the rossi quality? My opinion is based on a friends rossi 357 that really was a turd right out of the box. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a 16" Rossi 92 in 45 LC that I absolutely love. It is the most fun gun to shoot. I always wanted another in 454 Casull. So what is your no BS assessment of the rossi quality? My opinion is based on a friends rossi 357 that really was a turd right out of the box. 
My Rossi is an older Puma marked LSI import I love it and rate it quite high in quality. Excellent metal finish that is deep blue. Good wood fit. Wood finish is slightly dull. Terrific shooter with surprisingly low recoil even with heavy loads. Very smooth action with no issues with feed or function. Trigger is slightly heavy but breaks very clean. Sights are probably the weakest part of the package. They are fine for plinking but slightly crude sight picture. If I was going to hunt with it I would replace them with a Marbles set. Overall I am very happy since it only cost $400 NIB shipped. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 8:22:36 PM EDT
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Yeah, the sights look like they could use an update. For that price, I'd be on it like a fat man on a canned ham.
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Posted: 3/27/2015 8:25:02 PM EDT
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Yeah, the sights look like they could use an update. For that price, I'd be on it like a fat man on a canned ham. That's exactly why I bought it. I figured for $400 I couldn't go wrong even if I had to spend a little time on it. The thing that is really nice about it is the size and weight. It's as small as a Daisy Red Rider. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 11:18:21 PM EDT
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I have had 2 Rossi 92s and they were both very well built. You do have to look them over before you buy, though.
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Posted: 3/28/2015 12:30:53 PM EDT
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I don't know of any successful rimless-cartridge leverguns. Marlin 336 in .35 Remington |
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Posted: 3/28/2015 12:55:57 PM EDT
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Marlin 336 in .35 Remington Quote HistoryQuoted:
I don't know of any successful rimless-cartridge leverguns. Marlin 336 in .35 Remington Good Point. Sure looks rimless from here (Middle)  .
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Posted: 3/28/2015 3:20:08 PM EDT
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So what is your no BS assessment of the rossi quality? My opinion is based on a friends rossi 357 that really was a turd right out of the box. My original was (is) a 16" in .357, bought in the mid-90's; I believe 1995, but not positive on that. It was so good that three or four years later I bought a 16" in .44 magnum to go with it. Both of them were good enough that in 2010-2011, I bought a 20" stainless in .454 casull. Only problems I've had were that on the first one (16" .357), the front sight was barely tall enough. I had to remove the rear elevator completely to stop it from shooting high. The 16" .44 and the 20" gun didn't have this issue. The newest gun has the stupid manual safety; the others don't. In all honesty, I probably have only 300-500 rounds thru the .44, and probably 1200-1500 thru the .454; probably 80% or so of the latter being .45 colt loads. The .357, I have no idea; but thousands and thousands. It's the smoothest of the three now and it feeds anything it's fed, whether .357's, or .38's either one. 
The little .357 as I finally set it up, with red dot and titanium suppressor: 
I have no idea if the current-production, small 16" guns are comparable to the two old ones that I have, but the newest (full-size) one I have is only 4-5 years old and is very good. |
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Posted: 3/28/2015 5:04:16 PM EDT
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I don't know of any successful rimless-cartridge leverguns. Marlin 336 in .35 Remington I guess I should have clarified pistol caliber, and tube feed. The 1895 Winchester was pretty successful in .30-06 and a few others plus the Savage 99 was in several rimless rounds. I'm thinking along the lines of the traditional Marlin 1894/Win 1892 lines. Something like a beefed up Marlin 62 might work, made in .30 Carbine originally so it might be able to be adapted. Heck, getting Browning to shorten and scale down the BLR might be the best bet. ETA: I guess that want my quote after all but mine was similar. |
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Posted: 3/28/2015 8:21:55 PM EDT
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It almost looks like the 454 can be loaded thru the mag tube? Is that feature useful/I bet it is for unloading.
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Posted: 3/28/2015 9:44:28 PM EDT
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It almost looks like the 454 can be loaded thru the mag tube? Is that feature useful/I bet it is for unloading. It can be, and it's very useful. Can be unloaded like a tube-fed .22LR; saves jacking every round thru the action like most leverguns require. 
The downside is that it means an extra thickness of steel there, having an inner plunger tube (like a .22) that has to be big enough to go over the rounds, and then the normal, outer tube as well. The added layer, combined with being a .45-caliber gun to start with, means that the mag tube ends up being fat. To get a sling mount to fit it, I had to use one intended for a 16-gauge shotgun. My only complaint with the gun is simply personal preference - I just prefer a small carbine and this is a full-size rifle. It's crazy versatile, with power levels from 300-3000 ft/lbs by simply changing ammo (ie, no adapters, conversion kits, etc), but the little 357's 1200 ft/lbs is more than adequate for anything in my area of north-central arkansas, and it's like carrying a .22 around instead of a full-size rifle. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:22:57 AM EDT
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McPherson has been doing 50AE 1894's for at least 10 years. He wrote a series of articles in Precision Shooting on generalities of the Marlin conversions.
John Taylor does 45 ACP conversions on 45 Colt Marlins as well. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 4:08:57 AM EDT
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I don't know of any successful rimless-cartridge leverguns. If they were around, I'd be all over a super-short-throw '73 in 45acp...
Around 50% at a hundred yards from a handgun; can't say about rifle comparisons, but I suspect the higher chamber pressure of the .454 would give it a substantial advantage in rifle-length barrels. I do know that power-wise, my .454 20" carbine runs between the .30-06 and .300WM rifle rounds; believe it or not. It launches a 240-grain bullet at 2430fps, for more than 3,100 ft/lbs of energy, and and believe it or not, will stay within ¾” of zero, from muzzle out to 110-120 yards, which is pretty good for a .45-caliber “handgun” bullet from a carbine. Different ".50 Express"; it was 50-110 blackpowder iirc.
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I don't know of any successful rimless-cartridge leverguns. If they were around, I'd be all over a super-short-throw '73 in 45acp...
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Rossi makes/made a M92 carbine in 454 Casull, a bit more energy than the 50ae. Around 50% at a hundred yards from a handgun; can't say about rifle comparisons, but I suspect the higher chamber pressure of the .454 would give it a substantial advantage in rifle-length barrels. I do know that power-wise, my .454 20" carbine runs between the .30-06 and .300WM rifle rounds; believe it or not. It launches a 240-grain bullet at 2430fps, for more than 3,100 ft/lbs of energy, and and believe it or not, will stay within ¾” of zero, from muzzle out to 110-120 yards, which is pretty good for a .45-caliber “handgun” bullet from a carbine. Quoted:
Winchester 1886 was in 50AE Different ".50 Express"; it was 50-110 blackpowder iirc.
Marlins in 35 Remington seem to handle rimless cartridges just fine. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 8:54:41 AM EDT
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Marlins in 35 Remington seem to handle rimless cartridges just fine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't know of any successful rimless-cartridge leverguns. If they were around, I'd be all over a super-short-throw '73 in 45acp...
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Rossi makes/made a M92 carbine in 454 Casull, a bit more energy than the 50ae. Around 50% at a hundred yards from a handgun; can't say about rifle comparisons, but I suspect the higher chamber pressure of the .454 would give it a substantial advantage in rifle-length barrels. I do know that power-wise, my .454 20" carbine runs between the .30-06 and .300WM rifle rounds; believe it or not. It launches a 240-grain bullet at 2430fps, for more than 3,100 ft/lbs of energy, and and believe it or not, will stay within ¾” of zero, from muzzle out to 110-120 yards, which is pretty good for a .45-caliber “handgun” bullet from a carbine. Quoted:
Winchester 1886 was in 50AE Different ".50 Express"; it was 50-110 blackpowder iirc.
Marlins in 35 Remington seem to handle rimless cartridges just fine. Yes; I wasn't aware that the .35Rem was rimless until someone above pointed it out. Learn something new every day. 
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Posted: 3/30/2015 5:31:19 PM EDT
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Yes; I wasn't aware that the .35Rem was rimless until someone above pointed it out. Learn something new every day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't know of any successful rimless-cartridge leverguns. If they were around, I'd be all over a super-short-throw '73 in 45acp...
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Rossi makes/made a M92 carbine in 454 Casull, a bit more energy than the 50ae. Around 50% at a hundred yards from a handgun; can't say about rifle comparisons, but I suspect the higher chamber pressure of the .454 would give it a substantial advantage in rifle-length barrels. I do know that power-wise, my .454 20" carbine runs between the .30-06 and .300WM rifle rounds; believe it or not. It launches a 240-grain bullet at 2430fps, for more than 3,100 ft/lbs of energy, and and believe it or not, will stay within ¾” of zero, from muzzle out to 110-120 yards, which is pretty good for a .45-caliber “handgun” bullet from a carbine. Quoted:
Winchester 1886 was in 50AE Different ".50 Express"; it was 50-110 blackpowder iirc.
Marlins in 35 Remington seem to handle rimless cartridges just fine. Yes; I wasn't aware that the .35Rem was rimless until someone above pointed it out. Learn something new every day. Additionally, from a functional viewpoint, the Marlin 1895M is successful, and the belted .450 Marlin cartridge is also rimless. |
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