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Posted: 10/19/2014 10:46:18 PM EDT
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try recrowning the muzzle
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Posted: 10/20/2014 11:29:58 AM EDT
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I have not really attempted to 'sight' my 1894 in 44mag, as I am still trying to get it to feed my cast reloads without having the issues it has. When attempting to lever a round into the chamber, the carrier will not always lift up the round so it will go into the chamber. I thought that it might be that the bullets have a long nose, but even some of my shorter reloads will not pick up. Iam too cheap to buy factory rounds, so I am not sure how they will function. I do know that off hand at 25 yards, I can keep my shots into about a 2.5" area. I figure that is about 'a minute of bear' at that range.
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Posted: 10/20/2014 11:56:30 AM EDT
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Iron sights or optics? If you're using irons I would say your results are not out of line.
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Posted: 10/20/2014 12:34:37 PM EDT
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Iron sights or optics? If you're using irons I would say your results are not out of line. Leopold 4x scope. Ohio just this year will allow certain pistol caliber rifles to be used on deer and that is why I bought the gun. I have taken many deer using my SW 629 Classic and an Aimpoint. Hell, my revolver will out shoot this thing. I still have not tried to load for this gun so I'm not throwing in the towel yet. I have done some reading and see that the bore diameter is different for the .44 mag in handgun vs rifle. I had not planned on using cast bullets, but it appears to be the only option possibly. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 2:17:03 PM EDT
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My Win 94 in 45 Colt was about that accurate. My Rossi in 357 is better. Friend has a Win 94 in 44 Mag that is about a two inch gun at fifty yards. The pistol caliber lever guns aren't noted for their tack driving accuracy. You might do better with reloading, you might find something it likes. But don't be surprised if all you end up with is a two inch gun at fifty yards.
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Posted: 10/20/2014 3:11:56 PM EDT
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I've owned several Marlin 44's and been disappointed with the accuracy of all of them. The last one was a stainless 1894SS (JM) that I had a 4x scope mounted on. I could shoot better groups with my iron sighted Rossi.
These Marlins have two problems, the twist rate is too slow, and the bore is often oversize. Surprisingly the 1894's in 357 and 45 Colt don't have these problems and shoot a lot better. Mu pre-safety 1894c is a 1.5-2 MOA rifle with a 3x scope, about as good as I can do with that magnification. I once had a Ruger .44 carbine. It's accuracy was lousy with 240 grain bullets but acceptable with 180's. I used Federal 180JHPs as my hunting load for it. You might try a lighter bullet. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 6:45:01 PM EDT
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The Seirra 180 load my revolvers like are the JHP's over a case full of 2400. That is the only handload tried so far. I have chronagraphed them at 1750 out of a 6 3/4 barrel in a DX Classic. I just expected a bit more in the accuracy department out of the Marlin.
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Posted: 10/20/2014 11:23:32 PM EDT
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I struggled through about 5 years with an 1894 44 mag --- i know they are fetching stupid money these days in some cases - but at the end of the day, - they need to be able to shoot ------ Thats why mine went down the trail --- total piece of shit
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Posted: 10/22/2014 4:47:22 PM EDT
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Most lever rifles will never make the small groups we've come to expect from our bolt rifles. The fore stock is supported from the barrel and the magazine that hangs off the barrel changes weight and center of gravity with every shot.
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Posted: 10/22/2014 11:39:38 PM EDT
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I've used Rainer 240gr hollow point bullets with 20.5 gr of 2400 with good results in my Marlin 1894. I and several others who have shot this load in my rifle have no problem hitting a small 4 oz V8 juice can or regular size 12 oz coke can at 75 yds with factory iron sights. I would try finding a load that works with a 200-240gr bullet before I threw in the towel. From my experience the 180 gr bullets shoot fast but not always accurately.
I've never shot mine off the bench for accuracy, but if it would hold 2" groups or under at 50 yds that would be fine for me. Most of the areas I would hunt would be under 100 yds too. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 9:59:38 PM EDT
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I struggled through about 5 years with an 1894 44 mag --- i know they are fetching stupid money these days in some cases - but at the end of the day, - they need to be able to shoot ------ Thats why mine went down the trail --- total piece of shit Did the same to mine. People are paying waaaaayyy too much for what their getting. Sold mine for another Rossi that will shoot circles around the Marlin |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:10:11 AM EDT
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A major reason for my choosing the Marlin was scope mounting. And the fact the looks appeal to me over the others. But for my use, the accuracy will sufice. Most of my shots are under 50 or 60 yards.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:06:52 AM EDT
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Why not a .30-.30? Ammo is cheaper. More accurate.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 12:43:59 PM EDT
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Why not a .30-.30? Ammo is cheaper. More accurate. Ohio only allows certain calibers, mostly pistol calibers. They compiled a list of acceptable calibers and 30-30 is not on it. 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 12:52:41 PM EDT
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It's still minute of deer.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 12:54:53 PM EDT
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Ohio only allows certain calibers, mostly pistol calibers. They compiled a list of acceptable calibers and 30-30 is not on it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not a .30-.30? Ammo is cheaper. More accurate. Ohio only allows certain calibers, mostly pistol calibers. They compiled a list of acceptable calibers and 30-30 is not on it. That sucks. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:27:26 PM EDT
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Currently working on getting some time to sight in my 30-30 Win 1894. Without being sighted I was getting TERRIBLE accuracy. I've heard the the .44 mag versions are pretty much the most inaccurate of the different calibers for lever guns, which would fall in line with your results.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 2:01:53 PM EDT
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Why not a .30-.30? Ammo is cheaper. More accurate. Ammo is cheaper? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 2:52:38 PM EDT
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Why not a .30-.30? Ammo is cheaper. More accurate. Ammo is cheaper? Yes by an average of $5 |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 3:55:54 PM EDT
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From what I have been told, the 1-38 twist in our Marlins do not equate to good accuracy with the heavier bullets. Mine is at the gun shop as we speak and when I get it back, I intend to play with some more and see what kind of groups I can really get with it. I am using XS Ghost sights, so I am not expecting much better the 2" at 50 yards. Beside this one is set up to be a 'camp gun' so it does not need to be sub-minute at close range.
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Posted: 10/26/2014 12:05:07 AM EDT
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Best group I have is just over 3 inches at 100 yards using factory sights. Load was a 240 gr gas check cast bullet with Titegroup powder in a Hornady case. Rifle shoots about 5 inches high so I am considering Skinner sights.
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Posted: 11/15/2014 11:51:44 AM EDT
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I was disappointed by the accuracy of my JM-stamped 1894SS when I got it. My results were no better than yours with irons, maybe worse. I added Williams peep sights expecting an improvement, and didn't get one.
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Posted: 11/15/2014 8:20:28 PM EDT
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First rifle I ever bought was a 1894P Marlin. I shot several brands of ammo through it (before I reloaded) and it would shift POI more than 12" at 75 yds by changing ammo. Once I settled on ammo and took up reloading it would group in the 2 to 3" range at 50yds with a scope. I really liked the rifle, the weight, the way it handled, etc. In the end I sold it for twice what I paid for it 15 years before.
As a side note, when I bought the 1894P I researched for a month trying to decide on the 1894P or a 444P. I chose the 1894P and after a couple of years I tried to find a 444P. It took me over ten years to find one that wasn't rape me priced. Now that I have one I can say it is the rifle I should have chose. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 8:27:03 PM EDT
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These Marlins have two problems, the twist rate is too slow, and the bore is often oversize. This is what I have always heard. |
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Posted: 11/16/2014 3:02:58 PM EDT
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Iron sights or optics? If you're using irons I would say your results are not out of line. Yep! |
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Posted: 11/16/2014 5:24:01 PM EDT
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I have owned an 1894 .357 and it was decently accurate. I also have experience with two .44 versions and they were much less than satisfactory in the accuracy department.
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Posted: 11/19/2014 10:54:58 PM EDT
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What bullets are you using?
I am using a max load of H110 shooting 240gn xtp with a williams peep sight. Last weekend I was getting about 3" at 75 yards leaning against a telephone pole as a rest. |
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Posted: 11/20/2014 1:39:40 PM EDT
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I'm getting about 3" at 100 with mine which is good enough. I had an 1894SS that I finally got 7" after one trip back to the factory and playing with loads - that was not good enough and it went down the road. They aren't going to perform like a bolt gun. In your position I would have gone for a 45-70 or 444.
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Posted: 11/20/2014 1:49:38 PM EDT
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I want a 444 real bad. I just want to make sure its going to stay on the list of approved calibers.
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Posted: 11/26/2014 7:21:39 PM EDT
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Iron sights or optics? If you're using irons I would say your results are not out of line. Yep! TUMOR generally knows his stuff around lever actions. I know that I've sighted mine at 50 yds and didn't think that it did too bad w/ factory open sights--maybe 1 1/2" to 2", IIRC. I've only shot my handloads w/ Rem 240gr HP. My JM stainless 44 mag really slicked up nice, I like it. |
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