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I want to attach a rail to my Marlin 45-70 guide gun to allow for easier attachment/detachment of a scope or rear ghost ring sight. Anyone recommend a good rail system? Also, would the rail attach to these pre-drilled points, or would I need a gun smith to attach it?



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I just put an evolution gun works rail on my 1894. It only ran my about 26.00, They have black and stainless models.

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It uses the preexisting holes, i had mine installed in 5 minutes.
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XS sight systems seems to be the most popular rail for Marlin lever guns.http://xssights.com/index.php?nID=scopemounts&cID=Scope%20Mounts&pID=scopemounts

I saw your other post about going hunting and while I haven't killed anything with my 45/70 I think it's a good choice and see no need to buy another rifle unless you are going to hunting a lot of wide open fields.Most times your shots are under a hundred yards mostly where ever you hunt.Now if your going on a hunt to Wyoming or something like that where real long shots are the norm then a long range rifle like a 300 win mag will fill the bill.

I have a DNZ mount with a Leupold scope on my 45/70 and it's a great setup.
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Originally Posted By Progun1911:
XS sight systems seems to be the most popular rail for Marlin lever guns.http://xssights.com/index.php?nID=scopemounts&cID=Scope%20Mounts&pID=scopemounts

I saw your other post about going hunting and while I haven't killed anything with my 45/70 I think it's a good choice and see no need to buy another rifle unless you are going to hunting a lot of wide open fields.Most times your shots are under a hundred yards mostly where ever you hunt.Now if your going on a hunt to Wyoming or something like that where real long shots are the norm then a long range rifle like a 300 win mag will fill the bill.

I have a DNZ mount with a Leupold scope on my 45/70 and it's a great setup. http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx323/progun1911/017.jpg


Beautiful set up you've got there. I recall when I purchased my 1895G I originally wanted the chrome version but they were both hard to find and about $200 more than the blued ones. Care to offer an opinion on mounting your scope via a permanent (or just slower to remove) rig like the DNZ mount versus on a rail? My thought with the rail would be that a) I could remove the scope and mount it on another rifle with little fuss, and b) I could remove the rear sight when using a scope. Also, what power scope are you using? I was thinking of getting a 3-9x40, and read the Leupold VX1 was a good buy in the sub $300 range.
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Mine has the XS rail setup on it.





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Originally Posted By Warhawk:
Mine has the XS rail setup on it.

http://i.imgur.com/VzEHx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RYLe3.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/lI6Zl.jpg


Gorgeous wood grain going on there. Ever wish you went with a shorter rail that didn't extend as far towards the barrel? I'm waffling between the XS rail and the EGW (which is only 5" in length and wouldn't allow for forward mounting). EGW is half the price of the XS.
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Mine has the XS rail setup on it.

http://i.imgur.com/VzEHx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RYLe3.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/lI6Zl.jpg


Gorgeous wood grain going on there. Ever wish you went with a shorter rail that didn't extend as far towards the barrel? I'm waffling between the XS rail and the EGW (which is only 5" in length and wouldn't allow for forward mounting). EGW is half the price of the XS.


I bought this one just as you see it. I am not a fan of scout scopes and will probably delete the XS rail. But I want to shoot it first. My plan to have ghost ring sights as a backup, with a quick detach scope.

The wood is from Brockman's.

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XS sight systems seems to be the most popular rail for Marlin lever guns.http://xssights.com/index.php?nID=scopemounts&cID=Scope%20Mounts&pID=scopemounts

I saw your other post about going hunting and while I haven't killed anything with my 45/70 I think it's a good choice and see no need to buy another rifle unless you are going to hunting a lot of wide open fields.Most times your shots are under a hundred yards mostly where ever you hunt.Now if your going on a hunt to Wyoming or something like that where real long shots are the norm then a long range rifle like a 300 win mag will fill the bill.

I have a DNZ mount with a Leupold scope on my 45/70 and it's a great setup. http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx323/progun1911/017.jpg


Beautiful set up you've got there. I recall when I purchased my 1895G I originally wanted the chrome version but they were both hard to find and about $200 more than the blued ones. Care to offer an opinion on mounting your scope via a permanent (or just slower to remove) rig like the DNZ mount versus on a rail? My thought with the rail would be that a) I could remove the scope and mount it on another rifle with little fuss, and b) I could remove the rear sight when using a scope. Also, what power scope are you using? I was thinking of getting a 3-9x40, and read the Leupold VX1 was a good buy in the sub $300 range.








The rail is great if you want to remove the scope often just make sure the mount you buy will go back to zero when you put the scope back on your gun.If your looking to place the scope on another gun then you will have to sight the scope for each gun that you put it on and that can be a pain in the ass.

I don't use the irons at all that's why I scoped my rifle.I know a lot of guys like the see through scope mounts so they can still use there iron sights,but I look at that as sort of useless.Most bolt rifles don't come with sights that's why you mount a scope so I don't see a need to use them on my 45/70,Besides at my age iron sights are useless.

My scope is an older Leupold 3x9 compact that I had on a Ruger Mini 14 that I sold a while back ,but kept the scope. FYI,Chrome looking Marlin lever action rifles are stainless steel.

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Just went outside for a while and was thinking about your post and wondered if you have looked at Marlin Owners for more insight on scoping your rifle ?
Lots of info about 1895's and other Marlins on there.http://www.marlinowners.com/
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XS sight systems seems to be the most popular rail for Marlin lever guns.http://xssights.com/index.php?nID=scopemounts&cID=Scope%20Mounts&pID=scopemounts

I saw your other post about going hunting and while I haven't killed anything with my 45/70 I think it's a good choice and see no need to buy another rifle unless you are going to hunting a lot of wide open fields.Most times your shots are under a hundred yards mostly where ever you hunt.Now if your going on a hunt to Wyoming or something like that where real long shots are the norm then a long range rifle like a 300 win mag will fill the bill.

I have a DNZ mount with a Leupold scope on my 45/70 and it's a great setup. http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx323/progun1911/017.jpg


Beautiful set up you've got there. I recall when I purchased my 1895G I originally wanted the chrome version but they were both hard to find and about $200 more than the blued ones. Care to offer an opinion on mounting your scope via a permanent (or just slower to remove) rig like the DNZ mount versus on a rail? My thought with the rail would be that a) I could remove the scope and mount it on another rifle with little fuss, and b) I could remove the rear sight when using a scope. Also, what power scope are you using? I was thinking of getting a 3-9x40, and read the Leupold VX1 was a good buy in the sub $300 range.


The rail is great if you want to remove the scope often just make sure the mount you buy will go back to zero when you put the scope back on your gun.If your looking to place the scope on another gun then you will have to sight the scope for each gun that you put it on and that can be a pain in the ass.

I don't use the irons at all that's why I scoped my rifle.I know a lot of guys like the see through scope mounts so they can still use there iron sights,but I look at that as sort of useless.Most bolt rifles don't come with sights that's why you mount a scope so I don't see a need to use them on my 45/70,Besides at my age iron sights are useless.

My scope is an older Leupold 3x9 compact that I had on a Ruger Mini 14 that I sold a while back ,but kept the scope. FYI,Chrome looking Marlin lever action rifles are stainless steel.



Good points. I think it comes down to either paying ~$275 for a rifled barrel with rail for my Remy 11-87 (see pic), another $60 for a rail for my 1865, and ~$300 for a scope plus mounts which would give me the flexibility to hunt in either locations in MN (north vs south) depending on who I can go with. Total cost would be $635 for both firearms to share a scope. Or, I buy a dedicated scope + mount for my 1865 (which would cost ~$300) and then the new barrel and a second scope + mounts for my shotgun ($575) which would run me $875. Saves me a few hundred bucks going the former route over the latter. Just sucks that MN law disallows rifle hunting in the central and southern parts of the state. Guess I should just figure out first with who (which dictates the where) I will be hunting before spending some money.
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Just went outside for a while and was thinking about your post and wondered if you have looked at Marlin Owners for more insight on scoping your rifle ?
Lots of info about 1895's and other Marlins on there.http://www.marlinowners.com/


Didn't even know that site existed!! Thanks for the link. Going to spend a bit there reading.
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Just went outside for a while and was thinking about your post and wondered if you have looked at Marlin Owners for more insight on scoping your rifle ?
Lots of info about 1895's and other Marlins on there.http://www.marlinowners.com/


Didn't even know that site existed!! Thanks for the link. Going to spend a bit there reading.


Just remember to drink the Kool Aid and never, never, never, disagree with the net nazi that runs it. You'll be bounced in a heartbeat if you opine that the 45/70 is better than the .444.

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Just went outside for a while and was thinking about your post and wondered if you have looked at Marlin Owners for more insight on scoping your rifle ?
Lots of info about 1895's and other Marlins on there.http://www.marlinowners.com/


Didn't even know that site existed!! Thanks for the link. Going to spend a bit there reading.


Just remember to drink the Kool Aid and never, never, never, disagree with the net nazi that runs it. You'll be bounced in a heartbeat if you opine that the 45/70 is better than the .444.



Good advice, best to tread lightly on that site.
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Just went outside for a while and was thinking about your post and wondered if you have looked at Marlin Owners for more insight on scoping your rifle ?
Lots of info about 1895's and other Marlins on there.http://www.marlinowners.com/


Didn't even know that site existed!! Thanks for the link. Going to spend a bit there reading.


Just remember to drink the Kool Aid and never, never, never, disagree with the net nazi that runs it. You'll be bounced in a heartbeat if you opine that the 45/70 is better than the .444.



Good advice, best to tread lightly on that site.


Some great info there... Some of the most knowledgeable Marlin folk I've run across. I certainly do hold my tongue quite a bit when I see blatant stupid stuff posted though... I'd prefer to not get banned over an opinion disagreement.
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XS on my 1895. It came with the longer version but I switched it to the shorter one.
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XS on my 1895. It came with the longer version but I switched it to the shorter one.


That sounds like what I want to do. Did you have the same long rail as the one on my guide gun pictured earlier in this thread?
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Just went outside for a while and was thinking about your post and wondered if you have looked at Marlin Owners for more insight on scoping your rifle ?
Lots of info about 1895's and other Marlins on there.http://www.marlinowners.com/


Didn't even know that site existed!! Thanks for the link. Going to spend a bit there reading.


Just remember to drink the Kool Aid and never, never, never, disagree with the net nazi that runs it. You'll be bounced in a heartbeat if you opine that the 45/70 is better than the .444.



Good advice, best to tread lightly on that site.


Some great info there... Some of the most knowledgeable Marlin folk I've run across. I certainly do hold my tongue quite a bit when I see blatant stupid stuff posted though... I'd prefer to not get banned over an opinion disagreement.


You can say that again!!!! Some of the members there are really nice and knowledgeable, but they have some extreme boneheads too!
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XS on my 1895. It came with the longer version but I switched it to the shorter one.


That sounds like what I want to do. Did you have the same long rail as the one on my guide gun pictured earlier in this thread?


Yep, I wanted to be able to add better rear sight than that weird XS peep style. It just doesn't look right to me.
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XS on my 1895. It came with the longer version but I switched it to the shorter one.


That sounds like what I want to do. Did you have the same long rail as the one on my guide gun pictured earlier in this thread?


Yep, I wanted to be able to add better rear sight than that weird XS peep style. It just doesn't look right to me.


What did you end up with for a rear sight?

My main thing is that I want to get rid of that super long rail, it's hard on bare hands and catches on everything.
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Honestly, it's sitting in the safe with no sights or scope on it at the moment. Some other projects get in the way and ate up my money for the 1895. I hunt with a muzzle loader most of the time so it's not a high priority, it just looks kinda pathetic sitting there. I'm tentatively planning on the DRC rear and the Brockman front if that combo will work together- I need to do some more research though.
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Honestly, it's sitting in the safe with no sights or scope on it at the moment. Some other projects get in the way and ate up my money for the 1895. I hunt with a muzzle loader most of the time so it's not a high priority, it just looks kinda pathetic sitting there. I'm tentatively planning on the DRC rear and the Brockman front if that combo will work together- I need to do some more research though.


I'm thinking about a Skinner rear with the XS front. I have a .22 pistol with the vertical white stripe in the front sight, I shoot very well with it and attribute a lot of that to the sights.
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Thanks all for the great info and advice. After reading feedback here, and some of the great advice at MarlinOwners.com, I changed course and decided against a rail mounted scope and went with a fixed scope. I ended up buying a Weaver Top-Mount Scope Base, Warne 1" Maxima Permanent-Attachable Weaver-Style Rings, and a Leupold VX-2 Rifle Scope 3-9x 40mm. With some nice discounts from Midway USA, I paid about $60 for the base and rings (had $10 promo code, so basically shipping was free), and the scope was $275 (had $30 off promo code). Eventually for my shotgun I will purchase a rifled barrel with a rail and a second scope.
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