 ShawnS 
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Posted: 6/14/2012 8:54:24 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT It is a .250-3000, take down. Checkering on the forearm and grip, raised check rest on the stock. Serial number 188,9xx, which from my research dates it about 1917. It is in very nice shape, wood looks great with some very small nicks here and there, and the bluing is showing some very small pitting. All the numbers match and it's overall very nice. The 2 problems I've seen is that it's missing the rear sight, and has been tapped for a scope. It wasn't a sloppy job but still. I've put 3 rounds through it, which functioned flawlessly. The round indicator functions fine. Besides needing a cleaning it looks great. Not that I would ever sell it, does it seem recently valuable? I've never owned a gun that would be considered 'valuable' as in can't be replaced very easily or considered collectable. I will try to have some pictures up soon, I only have my phone for Internet right now so it's not the easiest |
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Posted: 6/14/2012 10:17:52 PM
[Last Edit: 6/14/2012 10:26:52 PM by JohnRippert]
I can't say that I have seen many takedowns at all, much less one that old. What I am seeing online is $700-1500 depending on condition. Nice inheritance. Looking forward to pics.
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Madcap72
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Posted: 6/14/2012 11:10:20 PM
While it might not be valuable in dollar signs compared to other guns, it is actually pretty collectable. Great shape from what I'm seeing is 14-1800. Missing parts and drilled and tapped obviously takes away from that.
Freaking awesome guns, and a REALLY neat caliber. I'd pick up boxes here and there and shoot it occasionally. Zipping 87 grain bullets at 3000 FPS is pretty sweet. |
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Posted: 6/15/2012 12:34:40 AM
[Last Edit: 6/15/2012 12:36:38 AM by ShawnS]
Here's some quick pics. Still needs to be cleaned
It is a really neat rifle. I'm not concerned with the numerical value, just cool to have something collectible, plus it being sentimental. I plan on tracking down a rear sight so I can leave the glass off it, would like it to be as close to original as it can be at this point. I'll be shooting it here and there, just because it's so fun haha so it won't be a total safe queen. Before this, to be honest, I really was not interested in lever guns so much. Now I'm looking at a 45/70 to add to the collection  |
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Posted: 6/15/2012 8:17:01 AM
Very nice! I agree with finding a replacement rear sight. You may also be able to find some plug screws which will sit flush or near flush with the receiver to fill the holes where the rifle has been drilled/tapped for the scope mount .
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Dave_Markowitz
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Posted: 6/15/2012 10:34:19 AM
Very nice rifle, however, the buttstock is not original. The rollover comb is the giveaway.
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Posted: 6/15/2012 12:41:48 PM
That's a gorgeous gun!
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Posted: 6/15/2012 2:06:37 PM
Thanks everyone
Originally Posted By Dave_Markowitz:
Very nice rifle, however, the buttstock is not original. The rollover comb is the giveaway. Can you explain? I assume you're talking about the check rest? I wonder if I'll be able to find an original replacement stock anywhere. Sad cause it fits and matches the gun so well |
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Posted: 6/15/2012 2:20:34 PM
Originally Posted By ShawnS:
Thanks everyone Originally Posted By Dave_Markowitz:
Very nice rifle, however, the buttstock is not original. The rollover comb is the giveaway. Can you explain? I assume you're talking about the check rest? I wonder if I'll be able to find an original replacement stock anywhere. Sad cause it fits and matches the gun so well I wouldn't replace it. Like you said it fits and matches the gun so well. |
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Posted: 6/15/2012 2:24:49 PM
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Dave_Markowitz
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Posted: 6/15/2012 2:34:02 PM
Originally Posted By ShawnS:
Thanks everyone Originally Posted By Dave_Markowitz: Very nice rifle, however, the buttstock is not original. The rollover comb is the giveaway. Can you explain? I assume you're talking about the check rest? I wonder if I'll be able to find an original replacement stock anywhere. Sad cause it fits and matches the gun so well  |
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Posted: 6/15/2012 2:52:20 PM
Ah, I see. Thank you. I guess it will come down to if I can find one that matches well enough, otherwise I will leave the current one on. I am still going to hunt down the correct rear sight.
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Posted: 6/15/2012 7:29:43 PM
SWEET !
Oh.....by the way.......YOU SUCK!!  |
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Posted: 6/15/2012 10:46:51 PM
That rifle has obviously been modified...DO NOT SHOOT IT! Please send it to me immediately for proper disposal...
(He's only been here since January, think he'll fall for it guys? )
I'm jealous, I'd love to own a '99 in .308 and .250-3000 is more rare than the .308 by far. Though you're not concerned with numerical value it wouldn't hurt to have an estimate given on the rifle just incase something does happen (fire, theft, tragic boating accident, etc). It's valuable enough that you should at least consider it. |
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Posted: 6/16/2012 12:23:01 AM
[Last Edit: 6/16/2012 12:23:34 AM by ShawnS]
I guess you're right, I can do either ffl or c&r transfer just let me know
Thanks for the input, I will definitely think about it. I need to find someone around here, ive only been down here a couple of months so far. The .250-3000 is definitely an interesting round. I hear I can use the 250 savage round no problem? Just a little lower fps I'd imagine. I've seen .250-3000 online, might just go that route. |
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Posted: 6/16/2012 1:59:37 AM
[Last Edit: 6/16/2012 2:01:32 AM by Chacal87]
Originally Posted By ShawnS:
I guess you're right, I can do either ffl or c&r transfer just let me know
Thanks for the input, I will definitely think about it. I need to find someone around here, ive only been down here a couple of months so far. The .250-3000 is definitely an interesting round. I hear I can use the 250 savage round no problem? Just a little lower fps I'd imagine. I've seen .250-3000 online, might just go that route. Same round. http://www.chuckhawks.com/25cal.htm As state in the above linked article it was a revolutionary cartridge in it's day being the first one to break the 3000 FPS barrier. Hence .250-3000. It's also the parent case to the .22-250. ETA: FFL will work fine |
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Posted: 6/16/2012 8:48:46 AM
Yup .250-3000 is the same round as .250 Savage.
A rifle of your vintage will have a 1:14 twist designed to shoot 87 grain bullets. Most .25 caliber 87 grainers are varmint bullets, so if you want to use it for deer hunting you'll need to bump up to a properly constructed 90 to 100 grain bullet. Many 100 grainers are too long to give good accuracy. My dad had a Winchester Model 70 Lightweight Carbine .250 with a 1:14 twist and to get decent accuracy with a 100 grain bullet he had to handload Sierras, which are a little blunter, and therefore shorter. (I think it was Sierras, may have been Speer. Whichever is the least pointy of the two.) It worked great on a few Pennsylvania whitetails. |
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Posted: 6/16/2012 9:08:35 AM
A really big 99 fan here.
Shawn, you have a very nice peice to have gotten it from your dad by way of your grandfather. A GREAT rifle in a very desirable caliber. Actual collector value is not going to be as high as you would think though and you are in the $400 - $600 range due to the issues in your photos: 1) Drill & tap, it does knock about $200 of the value of the older rifles, especially 1899s, and extra especially any take down model. No way to fix it. If you don't like the screw holes, install sight hole plugs from Brownells. 2) Butt stock is not original, huge hit in value but either dad or most likely grandpa raised the comb and scoped it when his eyes went bad. Don't bother replacing it as the value won't improve and the overall package looks kinda cool. 3) I would mention that the butt has been drilled & a sling stud installed, but heck, it isn't the original butt anyway. 4) Its been re-blued, fairly obvious from the photos, most likely done when the new stock was installed. When all that was done, the unaltered value of the rifle was only about $100 or so & they wern't really very valuable at all in the 60's (so don't be upset with grandpa). The value for original ones didn't really start going up until the late 80s to mid 90s. As far as shooting it, enjoying it and changing it: Don't bother trying to "correct" it or "restore" it to restore the value. Won't change the value much at all. However, if you can locate an original butt to match your forend, it will make it easier to shoot with iron sights. The missing rear sight is a Lyman flip up that measures 1/2" tall from the bottom of the dovetail to the top surface of the sight. Easily found and still being made. Another good option is the Marbles tang sight, also still being made. The .250-3000 and .250 Savage are the exact same cartridge and exact same loadings. Ammo is still available but I'd suggest you get into reloading if you want to shoot it alot. To get the full benifits of the .250 cartridge, the scope is a very useful tool, so, unless you just want to enjoy shooting irons, there is nothing wrong with a scope on your rifle. If there is a bright side, you can do just about anything you want to it and not have to worry abot ruining the value. So take it out and shoot it often and let it help you connect with dad & grandpa. MLG Originally Posted By ShawnS:
I guess you're right, I can do either ffl or c&r transfer just let me know
Thanks for the input, I will definitely think about it. I need to find someone around here, ive only been down here a couple of months so far. The .250-3000 is definitely an interesting round. I hear I can use the 250 savage round no problem? Just a little lower fps I'd imagine. I've seen .250-3000 online, might just go that route. |
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