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Posted: 3/29/2012 2:25:47 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT 
I sometimes carry .38/ .357's revolvers so I wanted a lever rifle that will take the same ammo. This one is made by Miroku japan, but the quality and the smooth action is what sold me. It's also lighter & shorter compared to the other lever guns I handled at the store. Anyway, this is my first lever rifle and want to get some input like what ammo to feed it, should I go with fmj's? lead round nose? avoid wad cutters? I would prob feed it .38's 90% of the time and a few .357's at the range. Here are the pics: 
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Posted: 3/29/2012 2:34:15 PM
Great rifle, I have had one in .44Mag for about 20 years and put down many hogs and deer with it...
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snaggletooth1925
Its beautiful man BEAUTIFUL!!!!
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Posted: 3/29/2012 3:17:51 PM
Nice. Mind if I ask where you got it and how much it was?
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Posted: 3/29/2012 4:48:51 PM
$1125 at Coliseum guns( Uniondale NY) good guys.
(but I had a trade so I paid a lot Less) This was the only Winchester they have. They have Marlins and Brownings Lever actions, but none in .357's I also almost bought a Rossi in .410, til the nice lady bought this from their stash and showed it to me  |
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Justin-Kase
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Posted: 3/29/2012 5:12:31 PM
Damn that's almost as cool as finding a genuine Hawkin 50 caliber in some dead guys hands.
Seriously cool, didn't even know Winchester was making '92s anymore. PS I hate you because now I need another gun |
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Posted: 3/29/2012 5:53:36 PM
[Last Edit: 3/29/2012 5:53:55 PM by KNIGHTENFORCER]
I've always been fascinated with the lever guns, esp John Wayne's 1892 in True Grit (large loop) I love my American made Winchester shotguns (model 1200, 1300 and model 12) Eventhough this 1862 was made by Miroku japan, I feel that they've captured the essence and details of the original. But, If I come across an older 1862 and price is right I'll still go for it, unfortunately they're hard to find esp in my area. |
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Posted: 3/29/2012 6:25:27 PM
Don’t practice too much. 92s can be run too fast and jam up because of it.
Fastest are toggle actions like the 66 and 73. 73 is best since you have side plate to access problems. Drop-in short stroke kits are made for the 66 and 73. They are heavier though. Saddle ring you can attach cord through it to hang from horn. A long thin heavy hook on oversized belt or on saddle could be used to hang the gun from over your shoulder of from saddle. Loop lever is strictly Hollywood. It will slow you down in reality. There are a few smiths out there who have modified the feed mechanism for reliably spinning to cycle. If not using jacketed bullets but using hot cast loads you will probably need gas checks. My 44 mag Browning used to keyhole very nicely with hot Kieth style bullets. May or may not work reliably with both .38s and .357. |
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Posted: 3/29/2012 6:34:48 PM
cool! lots of good info casper, thanks
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Posted: 3/29/2012 11:13:55 PM
Not sure if the winchesters are diff but my marlin chokes on 38 wadcutters
Make sure the bullet is out of the case and it should feed |
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Posted: 3/30/2012 11:44:26 AM
thanks man,
I will try a few .38's and .357's most of them have copper jacket I will prob just leave the semi wadcutters for the revolvers.
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Posted: 3/30/2012 5:34:10 PM
[Last Edit: 3/30/2012 5:39:23 PM by bruzz123]
Originally Posted By KNIGHTENFORCER:
$1125 at Coliseum guns( Uniondale NY) good guys. (but I had a trade so I paid a lot Less) This was the only Winchester they have. They have Marlins and Brownings Lever actions, but none in .357's I also almost bought a Rossi in .410, til the nice lady bought this from their stash and showed it to me did you happen to notice the prices for the marlins and brownings at Coliseum? |
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Posted: 3/30/2012 6:48:05 PM
Sorry, I cant remember the price.
I only handled a few in .44 magnum IIRC just to try the action. |
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Posted: 3/30/2012 7:55:43 PM
Originally Posted By KNIGHTENFORCER:
Sorry, I cant remember the price. I only handled a few in .44 magnum IIRC just to try the action. well then i guess i 'll have to head over and see for myself.  |
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Posted: 3/30/2012 9:32:55 PM
Originally Posted By bruzz123:
Originally Posted By KNIGHTENFORCER:
Sorry, I cant remember the price. I only handled a few in .44 magnum IIRC just to try the action. well then i guess i 'll have to head over and see for myself. Must resist urge to go there, It's like a big toy store for me 
Seriously tho, those guys are "A-OK" in my book. Been going there for years. |
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Posted: 3/31/2012 9:44:32 AM
[Last Edit: 3/31/2012 9:46:31 AM by bruzz123]
Originally Posted By KNIGHTENFORCER:
Originally Posted By bruzz123:
Originally Posted By KNIGHTENFORCER:
Sorry, I cant remember the price. I only handled a few in .44 magnum IIRC just to try the action. well then i guess i 'll have to head over and see for myself. Must resist urge to go there, It's like a big toy store for me
Seriously tho, those guys are "A-OK" in my book. Been going there for years. yeah i bought my bushmaster from them years ago. I went to southshore last week to see what they had in pistol caliber lever guns. they pushed me towards a herny. but i didn't like the way you need to reload them. i felt if i ever had to rely on that rifle for self defense, the clumsy reload might not be the best deal. so i may pay colusiem a visit, but you're right.... must resist urge.....  |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 3:15:50 PM
[Last Edit: 4/11/2012 3:16:23 PM by normac]
Originally Posted By KNIGHTENFORCER:
thanks man, I will try a few .38's and .357's most of them have copper jacket I will prob just leave the semi wadcutters for the revolvers.
Knight , don't try the wadcutters they will not feed. I have a new 92 Trapper takedown in 357 and I only feed it jacketed ammo. Been advised off lead by a few old timers on Pacos leverguns so I keep them for my 686. But what a gun.... it was probably the wild wests AR |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 7:27:40 PM
Thanks, It did digest a few semi jacketed .357's with no problems.
But mostly fed with jacketed .38's |
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Posted: 4/13/2012 12:24:37 AM
Beautiful little gun. I've always loved the trappers, just got a thing for shorter barrels.
Picked up a 30-30 trapper at a gunshow about 10 years ago, and ended up selling it to a friend. I regret it....but at least I know where it is if I want it back |
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Posted: 6/10/2012 11:12:33 PM
Since the barrel is stamped "357 Magnum ONLY", will it feed 38 Special?
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Posted: 6/11/2012 2:10:59 AM
She's a beauty! I'm not sure why they put the ladder sight on a 16" carbine though...
On to your questions. My Rossi '92 lives on a steady diet of .357 mags with 158 gr. SWC bullets pushed my Win. 296. I've never tried a full on WC, seems like would tend to catch feeding them into the chamber. .38's tend to have issues feeding in '92's. I gave up on messing around with it, IIRC there are some guys that seat their .38's out longer when loading for their '92's. You could always load some mild .357's if you're a handloader. The saddle ring was mentioned earlier. Back in the 19th century the military had slings that would attach to those with a clip. Today they have been reinvented in nylon to be "single point" slings. My '92 travels quite a few miles on a saddle every year and I could not imagine how bad of shape it would be in if it was hung from the horn by a piece of string. also it would bump the horse constantly, get caught in the brush, etc. Originally "saddle ring" guns were cavalry guns, and the McClellan saddles (standard issue from 1859 to present in some way shape or form) have no saddle horn (excluding a packer model made during WWI.) Get some oil on that scabbard...it looks drier than a popcorn fart... |
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OiRogers
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Posted: 6/11/2012 6:15:41 AM
For what it's worth... My 1894 Marlin loves the LRNFP 158gr Cast bullets.
.357 feeds like butter. .38 feed great if you seat them long enough... Think I ended up seating my .38s about .010" longer than I usually would have. Both feed great. Both are accurate. The .357 have a solid report and a touch of recoil. The .38 is certainly quieter and barely recoils... And my cast load is almost as cheap as .22lr bulks. |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 7:00:54 AM
If it were me I reload my .38 special loads hot in .357 cases you still save on powder but don't have to worry about carbon rings/lead/ errosion in your chamber from the shorter cases of .38 look into your revolver cylinder if you have shot alot of .38 in it and you will see what I am saying this is why I load on the safe side. Sucks I wish .357 mag brass was as plentiful as .38special but it is still worth it nice gun you have there. This is what I do after I saw what .38 special was doing to a tracker revolver I had. I cannot imagine how hard it would be to try and remove the crap from my lever action chamber.
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OiRogers
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Posted: 6/11/2012 7:08:46 AM
Originally Posted By akuser-47:
If it were me I reload my .38 special loads hot in .357 cases you still save on powder but don't have to worry about carbon rings/lead/ errosion in your chamber from the shorter cases of .38 look into your revolver cylinder if you have shot alot of .38 in it and you will see what I am saying this is why I load on the safe side. Sucks I wish .357 mag brass was as plentiful as .38special but it is still worth it nice gun you have there. This is what I do after I saw what .38 special was doing to a tracker revolver I had. I cannot imagine how hard it would be to try and remove the crap from my lever action chamber. I found Midway had a pretty good price on Starline .357mag brass with a coupon... Grabbed 1k more .357 pieces to keep my rifle and larger revolvers fed. I plan on using the 158gr LSWC bullets I have in bulk as .38spl only ammo for my JFrame wheel guns. The LRNFP rounds will be for the rifle... Mostly in .357Mag. |
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