Posted: 3/26/2015 9:13:51 PM EDT
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No one is saying that layered security with alarms is not the way to go. It most definitely is, but amateurs with a week or so to work on a explosive and torch resistant TXTL60x6 (or even a TRTL30x6) might be able to scratch the paint a little. You don't understand the materials or construction a high security safe like that uses. They have their own layered security. There are multiple layers of exotic alloys and barrier materials that are purpose-designed to stop a bunch of different attacks. These barriers use combinations of different materials to really make it fun. Some of these safes can withstand nitroglycerin attack and 60+ minutes of continuous attack with a thermic lance. And that's by expert attackers who can inspect the inside of the safe and they have detailed construction info from the manufacturer. Also, they are in a ideal laboratory environment with all the safety support, time and expensive equipment they need, not some dude's closet that's 3'x 7'.
One company came up a barrier that resisted a lance attack long enough so that when you stopped to change the rod, the material solidified and you'd have to start over.
It's not a matter of prying harder or keep hitting it with the grinder, if you don't have intimate knowledge of the construction and barrier material of the safe along with a bunch of equipment and experience using it, you're not getting in. There are attacks on TL rated safes all the time where the attackers have plenty of time yet just knock of the dial and cut the outer steel skin. Even TL-30 safes have been stolen and taken off somewhere to get worked on, yet they're found later unopened.
The claimed "$200k" in losses are not liquid assets which can be easily spent or exchanged by a thief. Selling off stolen collectible coins and guns is not an easy thing to do Plus, I'm sure that $200k estimate is probably very high, as most numbers are in situations like this. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quote History Quoted:
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Bolted is rule 1 and super easy to do. I would do a remote smoke alarm. Detects in safe room, emits from loud speaker out attic vents. for that much money he should have. Should have been a 15-20k safe what was it a stack on?
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A 15K to 20K safe is still just a time equation, and they had lots of time. He would be better served with insurance and an alarm.
Nope, time does not necessarily equal success. Time is only a component when you start getting into real safes. In addition to time, to be successful you'll need the proper equipment, experience, skill and knowledge. In the 15-20k range mentioned, you're talking about TRTL and even used TXTL x6 safes. The kind of crews who break into those hit high value targets like banks, cash-based business, and jewelry stores. And even then, they usually do it on a weekend or holiday where they have a ton of time. They don't break into people's houses to take their guns and collectibles.
A thief can have all the time in the world, but if they don't the proper equipment, experience, skill and knowledge, they will not be breaking into a real (tested) safe. Typical gun safes are sheet metal boxes that do not usually require anything more than some time and a trip to Home Depot to break into. Equipment, experience, skill and knowledge can all be obtained with time. A week is a long time. Knowledge of $200,000 value is a strong motivator. I would not expect a TRTL or even a TXTL x6 safe to last a week against a determined adversary starting with little skill. Their is a reason banks have alarms.
No one is saying that layered security with alarms is not the way to go. It most definitely is, but amateurs with a week or so to work on a explosive and torch resistant TXTL60x6 (or even a TRTL30x6) might be able to scratch the paint a little. You don't understand the materials or construction a high security safe like that uses. They have their own layered security. There are multiple layers of exotic alloys and barrier materials that are purpose-designed to stop a bunch of different attacks. These barriers use combinations of different materials to really make it fun. Some of these safes can withstand nitroglycerin attack and 60+ minutes of continuous attack with a thermic lance. And that's by expert attackers who can inspect the inside of the safe and they have detailed construction info from the manufacturer. Also, they are in a ideal laboratory environment with all the safety support, time and expensive equipment they need, not some dude's closet that's 3'x 7'.
One company came up a barrier that resisted a lance attack long enough so that when you stopped to change the rod, the material solidified and you'd have to start over.
It's not a matter of prying harder or keep hitting it with the grinder, if you don't have intimate knowledge of the construction and barrier material of the safe along with a bunch of equipment and experience using it, you're not getting in. There are attacks on TL rated safes all the time where the attackers have plenty of time yet just knock of the dial and cut the outer steel skin. Even TL-30 safes have been stolen and taken off somewhere to get worked on, yet they're found later unopened.
The claimed "$200k" in losses are not liquid assets which can be easily spent or exchanged by a thief. Selling off stolen collectible coins and guns is not an easy thing to do Plus, I'm sure that $200k estimate is probably very high, as most numbers are in situations like this.
While that is great.... A dumb burglar with knowledge of your schedule such as in this case would simply wait until you come home and then Force you to open your fancy x6 safe.... Rendering it worthless.
The best idea is and always has been opsec and layerd security.
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