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Posted: 3/23/2015 2:50:38 PM EDT
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Very Interesting.
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Posted: 3/23/2015 3:54:25 PM EDT
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Lots of companies buy safes and rebadge them with their branding. I don't understand why a gun safe manufacturer would have much interest in the commercial arena.
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:11:33 PM EDT
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We do it simply because there is a demand for a TL30x6 rated safe with the high quality paint and interior you expect from a Fort Knox. It fits a market niche- if a narrower one.
Weight wise and otherwise, most people are better served by one of our other lines, but the TL does fit a particular niche and is competitively priced in the market, even among TL safes with lesser paint jobs and non-customizable interiors. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:53:46 PM EDT
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Lots of companies buy safes and rebadge them with their branding. I don't understand why a gun safe manufacturer would have much interest in the commercial arena. So Ft. Knox is buying the TL from someone else and then adding their labels and interiors? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 7:38:23 PM EDT
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So Ft. Knox is buying the TL from someone else and then adding their labels and interiors? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lots of companies buy safes and rebadge them with their branding. I don't understand why a gun safe manufacturer would have much interest in the commercial arena. So Ft. Knox is buying the TL from someone else and then adding their labels and interiors? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yep, looks like Inkas or another Canadian manufacturer. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 8:09:45 PM EDT
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Well, probably a good move on their part. It gives an "unknown" brand an immediate market recognition in the US and probably keeps Ft Knox from paying the reportedly high UL testing fees, labeling requirements, etc.
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Posted: 3/23/2015 9:01:40 PM EDT
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So, why don't you (Ft. Knox) design your own TL safes?
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Posted: 3/24/2015 7:49:12 AM EDT
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So, why don't you (Ft. Knox) design your own TL safes? Probably because to get the TL rating for each size safe it intends to sell it would have to get said safes tested by UL which is very expensive. Also,and this is certainly not meant to be a snipe at Knox,but they may not have the true safe building knowledge to build a true TL rated safe. |
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Posted: 3/24/2015 10:26:54 AM EDT
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Here's the problem as I see it. The vast majority of gun safe dealers are not safe guys. Some are, but most are simply sporting goods stores, gun shops, etc. They simply don't have the ability to deal with these weights, or the service work that may be required. That means they would need to contact a real safe guy to handle it for them, and most of the real safe guys already sell this type of stuff themselves.
Although a market does exist, it's not as big as some may think. This coming from somebody who has offered high end, custom burglary safes since 1990. |
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Posted: 3/24/2015 11:54:42 AM EDT
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Probably because to get the TL rating for each size safe it intends to sell it would have to get said safes tested by UL which is very expensive. Also,and this is certainly not meant to be a snipe at Knox,but they may not have the true safe building knowledge to build a true TL rated safe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, why don't you (Ft. Knox) design your own TL safes? Probably because to get the TL rating for each size safe it intends to sell it would have to get said safes tested by UL which is very expensive. Also,and this is certainly not meant to be a snipe at Knox,but they may not have the true safe building knowledge to build a true TL rated safe. Very expensive. Also, our manufacturing model is based on fully customizable vaults built to customer specifications. We have a number of standard models, but endless options as well as true custom "ground-up" applications. The process to run a shop like that, all here in the USA, is in direct contrast to a TL type operation, where you are severely limited as to changes allowed without losing the TL rating. We have been building safes for 32 years, and have great engineers. I assure you the knowledge of how to build a TL rated safe isn't witchcraft or a mystery to us, simply not as cost effective or one that we have space for at this time. What we do have space and capacity for is a partnership with INKAS that turns around and delivers a higher quality finish, a gun or custom interior etc. all at one of the most competitive prices on the market. Quoted:
Well, probably a good move on their part. It gives an "unknown" brand an immediate market recognition in the US and probably keeps Ft Knox from paying the reportedly high UL testing fees, labeling requirements, etc. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Exactly. Quoted:
Here's the problem as I see it. The vast majority of gun safe dealers are not safe guys. Some are, but most are simply sporting goods stores, gun shops, etc. They simply don't have the ability to deal with these weights, or the service work that may be required. That means they would need to contact a real safe guy to handle it for them, and most of the real safe guys already sell this type of stuff themselves. Although a market does exist, it's not as big as some may think. This coming from somebody who has offered high end, custom burglary safes since 1990. Also very insightful. Only a portion of my 150 national dealers are set up and able to handle the weights of the TL safes. It is a small market, as most homes don't have the capacity outside of the garage. And frankly the vast majority of people don't need a TL safe. A standard Fort Knox vault can be built to a security level that will defeat the vast majority of threats and still be something you can install in your home. |
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Posted: 3/24/2015 3:47:14 PM EDT
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What we do have space and capacity for is a partnership with INKAS that turns around and delivers a higher quality finish, a gun or custom interior etc. all at one of the most competitive prices on the market. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Knew it was an Inkas safe  On a side note, they make a terrific safe and have a bunch of UL listings.
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Posted: 3/24/2015 5:31:00 PM EDT
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We do our best not to keep secrets.
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Posted: 3/25/2015 8:34:27 AM EDT
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FortKnoxVaults,
Would you mind posting these safes' external dimensions? Also, can you give us a rough idea of what something like the "All Gun Rack" or "Collector Configuration" will do for storage capacity? |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 1:23:31 PM EDT
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All are TL 30x6
Exterior dimensions 2517 - 33"H - 25.5"W - 26"D 5520 - 63"H - 30.5"W - 33"D 6532 - 73"H - 40"W - 32"D 7240 - 78"H - 44"W - 32"D Interior dimensions 2517 - 25"H - 17.5"W - 15"D 5520 - 55"H - 20.5"W - 21"D 6532 - 65"H - 32"W - 21"D 7240 - 70"H - 36"W - 21"D weights 2517 - 1685 lbs 5520 - 3716 lbs 6532 - 4512 lbs 7240 - 5460 lbs As far as gun capacity, unfortunately though we have sold quite a few since they were released at SHOT, they have all been exclusively shelves models so far. In fact, I haven't been able to keep one in the shop long enough to play with gun racks and figure out a capacity. Once one is ordered that way or once orders slow down a little I'll get a chance, but for now I just don't have the data. I'll ask my detail guys to guesstimate and get back to you. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 1:42:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryExterior dimensions 2517 - 33"H - 25.5"W - 26"D 5520 - 63"H - 30.5"W - 33"D 6532 - 73"H - 40"W - 32"D 7240 - 78"H - 44"W - 32"D Just a suggestion but why not name/list these safes based on their exterior dimensions so they can be easily compared, size wise, to the rest of your safes? |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 2:11:39 PM EDT
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We totally should. We were in such a hurry to get these to market that we just went with the INKAS nomenclature. Will probably adjust for the next catalog.
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Posted: 4/9/2015 12:26:14 AM EDT
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im looking for a new safe and might be interested in one of these. Could you post some pics of these safes ?
Can they be set up with redundant locks like the other Ft Knox Safes ? I assume these keep the same bolt pattern and locking mechanism as they are built by inkas ? |
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Posted: 5/8/2015 12:48:44 PM EDT
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Bump to see if FortKnoxVaults might have some pics he can share.
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Posted: 5/8/2015 10:11:45 PM EDT
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Tagscription
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Posted: 5/11/2015 11:02:00 AM EDT
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working on it guys...
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