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Posted: 9/24/2010 7:00:04 PM
[Last Edit: 6/17/2011 8:38:47 PM by Firebird69]
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT Please Tack Moderator I did a search and got nothing. Anyone remember the post or its location about the jamb enforcers? I am looking for the MSC or MSE Supply company that was posted here. Thanks FB ETA: http://www.mfssupply.com/s.nl/sc.14/category.3276/.f |
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Posted: 9/25/2010 8:06:42 PM
[Last Edit: 9/25/2010 8:41:11 PM by Crito]
Ok, that one looks good. 20 bucks, not bad.
NOW TO CONSIDER THIS. Homedepot - buy the deadbolt guards for the door. the wood frame will break in a kickin, u must stengthen it (even if it is a metal door, you will still have a wood frame in the door). If anyone knows of a door company (like Pro Via) that actually says they made the door to provide extra secruity against kick-ins. If you know of a door company that makes metal frame doors, lets us know. Second is the door hinges. Anyone know of a product that strengthen the door hinges? Only product that I have seen is that door armor that ranges from their good protection 99 bucks or their average protection 69 bucks. Also, buy a commerical quality deadbolt. the rest of the deadbolts are junk. I have seen the multi-lock systems... But they are not rated on the actual lock... kind of sucks. people buy it and the deadbolt system can be easily bypassed. my friends say i went overkill on home secruity, but the bad guy will look at my house and then go rob someone else down the street that is easier to break-in. Edit: I found out the company Don-Jo makes door hinge products and other items. Anyone want to help me to add all these items up to see how much the total cost will be to make a door pretty solid against kick-ins? |
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Posted: 9/25/2010 9:19:33 PM
Anything that you have to add for door security is well received! I will edit the title if need be.
FB |
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Posted: 9/25/2010 9:57:23 PM
here on this forum, people are wise enough on home secruity to agree that total security is good.
A minute longer on a home invasion, means one minute more to grab a gun or for our home security system to alarm. I'll try to get more info. Theres a company in Chicago that offers doors with weilded hinges, metal jambs, etc. They are a local company for chicago customers, maybe I'll send a email to get info from them (who they buy from). Masonite has a Home-depot product that for 480 bucks, offers a securitydoor. may be a good door for backyard/garage. Not that eye pleasing for a door for the front. I need to go to the store and find out what they door is made out of. thermatru offers a hurricane door that has a metal in the inside to handle impacts. Provia doors has a metal plate to support the deadbolt (inside the door) Many of the door companies tell me that the steel and fiberglass has the same secruity on impacts. due to the materials for the inner frame of the door. Locksmiths online recommend a commerical grade deadbolt. I'll let you know what i find. |
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Posted: 9/26/2010 12:32:48 PM
Looking forward to seeing more info.
I have been looking at Segal Jimmy Proof dead bolts as well as barrel bolts for the top and bottom of the doors. http://www.segallock.com/ |
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Posted: 9/26/2010 12:36:24 PM
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Posted: 9/26/2010 3:39:56 PM
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Posted: 9/28/2010 8:45:41 PM
[Last Edit: 9/28/2010 8:48:10 PM by Crito]
The Multi point lock system seems promising. Major flaw is the key cylinder. (cheap one = fail, which all of them have).
Now, I have seen a few with "euro cylinders" They are popular key clyinder in many euro countries. With the euro cylinders, one could install a double cylinder or an upgrade euro cylinder. Yale anti-theft one or a bi-lock cylinder. I like the idea of a multi-point door. It is just as good or better then the door jamb products. If there is one that has a euro cylinder, then with an upgraded cylinder... it will be a very good door. when you kick a door, three locks (upper, middle and lower) will take the impact vs. one deadbolt in the middle. looking at the models from home depot... the bolt holes in the door jamb will be screwed into the 2by4, and the three locks will keep a tight hold on the door, so the longer screws in the hinge side will be enough to hold that side. The best multi-point lock that I have researched is the Hoppes 9000 series with a euro cylinder. The lock itself is stainless steel plus is it self lube. Major problem of the multipoint systems is that a little dirt or rust can cause them to malfunction. So, you have to really focus on quality, like any locking system. I emailed a door maker to confirm that is what they install in their doors, I also emailed hoppes to see if the series 9000 does not have a panic lever, and asked if their lock is a euro lock. Edit major problem is that there isn't a commerical demand for the multi-point locking system.. So a lot of the products are residental and thus crappy. Only a few companies have started making them for single door entry systems. |
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Posted: 9/29/2010 9:33:59 PM
Some time ago I had found a company in Houston (IIRC) that made multi point door locking systems. They were built at the interior of the door so the elements (rust) would not be as big of a concern. I do believe that they were a custom shop.
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Posted: 9/29/2010 10:25:44 PM
[Last Edit: 9/29/2010 10:38:35 PM by Crito]
Therma-tru offers a multi point lock, it seems to have the best one. its a 300 extra charge, but its a good lock. They use a euro cylinder that can be replaced with a better one.
I really like that option. The multi point they offer will also make the door not warp and offer a better seal. I am think for the best bang for the buck. the terma-tru door with the multi point lock is the best. plus u get a 30% income credit at tax time for having an E.E. door. Unless you want to spend 2500 bucks for a door, I think the hoppe multi point lock (therma tru doors) is the best choice.
Also, thanks for the post, a spent a few hours researching, and found a product to upgrade the secruity of my house. Thanks for the inspiration. |
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Posted: 9/30/2010 7:45:23 PM
Tag for reference of links....
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Posted: 10/6/2010 8:13:27 PM
I am going to look at commerical doors.. I will let you know how that goes.
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Posted: 10/15/2010 1:34:56 PM
Originally Posted By Crito: I am going to look at commerical doors.. I will let you know how that goes. Any updates? |
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Posted: 10/18/2010 1:48:38 PM
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Posted: 10/21/2010 12:53:42 AM
[Last Edit: 10/21/2010 1:10:17 AM by Crito]
Yeah.....
I did a lot of research. I am talking with a salesman from a commerical door company (only that one company out of 5 that is willing to do business with a home owner). So far, I like the idea of a pure metal frame and a metal door. The hinges are designed to go with the specific frame. making them really tough. The hollow metal doors are all metal. extra steel where the deadbolts are in the door. Many options to choose from. Ceco doors They offer good products. even their designer metal door that looks like wood, their 6 panel doors, etc. the pure metal frame/hollow door are commerical with security in mind. They have do sell a frame that has flat trim (I am guessing that can have wood trim placed on top. Looking at locks. Abloy protect makes a good one that has a lockable turn-tumb (for the inside part). harden steel. it is pricey though. I am thinking of a mortise and a deadbolt combo. will have two deadbolts basicly with the look of one. (any more then I think a thief will see it as a target then detering them. I also am going to buy some DIY security/windstorm film for my windows. |
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Posted: 10/21/2010 1:10:26 AM
I got a couple quotes on "commercial doors". Good stuff, but $$$$$$$.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 11:23:59 PM
Compared to home depot doors, the commercial ones are only 200-300 bucks more. For something that last 20+ years. not a big thing.
Just saying. I am calling that max door company for a quote as well, and to ask a few questions. Front door has to be wood like due to HOA crap. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 12:56:26 AM
Originally Posted By Crito:
Compared to home depot doors, the commercial ones are only 200-300 bucks more. For something that last 20+ years. not a big thing. Just saying. I am calling that max door company for a quote as well, and to ask a few questions. Front door has to be wood like due to HOA crap. Any specifics on this? A wood veneer might meet the letter of the agreement. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 2:07:27 PM
[Last Edit: 10/28/2010 2:11:20 PM by Crito]
yeah, it could work. my wife wants the wood look too. So she has to give a thumbs up. edit: The commerical metal hollow stainable door with metal frame runs about the same price as the master security door. that does not include the locks etc where the master door has the 5 point locking system plus the hinge bolts.
The master security link above... They quoted me about 1500-1700 for a intruder door with a real wood panel for the front, (on their website, its a thin sheet of wood that slips over the metal door to give it a wood appearance). This quote includes the 5 point locking system. which makes it a decent price for a door. I really don't know about texas coastal region and warping of the wood. I'lll wait for the guy to email me back. They sell their product in south florida, so I assume that it will last a good amount of time. Their doors seem pretty good, I wonder why other companies haven't try to copy them? Then again most people in America doesn't care if a 10 year old can break into their house or not. (home depot deadbolts) hehehehe. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 2:08:10 PM
Originally Posted By Noaccount: Originally Posted By Crito: Compared to home depot doors, the commercial ones are only 200-300 bucks more. For something that last 20+ years. not a big thing. Just saying. I am calling that max door company for a quote as well, and to ask a few questions. Front door has to be wood like due to HOA crap. Any specifics on this? A wood veneer might meet the letter of the agreement. Our HOA (like most) have a wood "patterned" front entry door. It can be made of any material as long as it looks similar to the rest of the community. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 2:12:39 PM
[Last Edit: 10/29/2010 10:38:23 AM by Crito]
Originally Posted By Firebird69:
Originally Posted By Noaccount:
Originally Posted By Crito:
Compared to home depot doors, the commercial ones are only 200-300 bucks more. For something that last 20+ years. not a big thing. Just saying. I am calling that max door company for a quote as well, and to ask a few questions. Front door has to be wood like due to HOA crap. Any specifics on this? A wood veneer might meet the letter of the agreement. Our HOA (like most) have a wood "patterned" front entry door. It can be made of any material as long as it looks similar to the rest of the community. yeah, mine is the same way. the freaken wood door is already warping and back door is cheap metal door with wood inside, also warping. edit: master security doors have an F rating in the bbb.org website. So I am a little uneasy to buy from them. ![]() |
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Posted: 12/10/2010 10:42:34 PM
bop
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Posted: 12/11/2010 10:31:57 AM
btw,
metal hollow door are not as expensive as one thinks. DKS, Amweld, republic doors have competitive prices. metal hollow frames slip-on alt. that are perfect for residential use. ( They only range from 90-110 dollars per door). DJarmor is 100 bucks for a small piece of 22ga metal. vs a hole steel frame 18 ga). google AMWeld doors. then find the HighRiser frames. Metal hollow door can have different locking preps. If you in the houston area, I'll give you names of dealers that was willing to do business with me. PM me. (If you buy one to three doors, you are low volume, some companies will not do business with you... expect to pay frieght). Securitec police lock can be double cylinder if you want it. Anything that I left out from the other posts, Firebird. |
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Posted: 12/11/2010 9:02:03 PM
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Posted: 12/11/2010 9:07:22 PM
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Posted: 12/11/2010 9:19:51 PM
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