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[#2]
Thank you for pictures and write up. I added Velcro to mine yesterday, and the paperclip today.
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[#3]
I just wondering which the material is stronger between lower, upper and the charging handle. If I am seeing the wear off of the paint, and also seem the charging handle is chewing my upper receiver. If it is only paint wear off then I am not worried about it. Any one seeing the chewing off also?
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[#4]
Haven't shot mine yet but have a question. If you charge the weapon and are careful to let it slop and slam home is anybody experiencing the wear problems?
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[#5]
As long as I don't let the charging handle slam, it is not causing any wear on my upper.
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[#7]
I paused then went frame by frame the film introducing the MPX. This film is on the Sig Sauer sight, MPX, intro, right when the narrator says charging handle.
The chipping away of the upper is clearly visible. Just a mention. |
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[#8]
I added black duct tape instead of Velcro. I will see how it stands up, long term. I have only put 100 rounds with the tape in place. Seems to work though.
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[#9]
Your idea got me wondering if a modified leaf spring, like one in a revolver only thinner could be modified in place of the paper clip, and the end of the leaf spring curled to prevent it from digging in, just a thought.
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[#10]
Thanks to Jaysondiesel for the R&D.
A fix we developed is to use a .012 Feeler guage. The hole that holds feeler guages in a set needs to be enlarged slightly. It provides enough tension to hold the charging handle permanently in the up position shown in pics by Jaysondiesel. You can force it down but now it guides itself. That was the lightest guage we chose. Thicker could work. Thinner, no. It promises to be a resilient fix with no worries of the softer metal of the paperclip. |
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[#11]
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Thanks to Jaysondiesel for the R&D. A fix we developed is to use a .012 Feeler guage. The hole that holds feeler guages in a set needs to be enlarged slightly. It provides enough tension to hold the charging handle permanently in the up position shown in pics by Jaysondiesel. You can force it down but now it guides itself. That was the lightest guage we chose. Thicker could work. Thinner, no. It promises to be a resilient fix with no worries of the softer metal of the paperclip. View Quote Do you have pics perhaps? TIA |
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[#12]
We are already updating the design.
Thicker gauge and a new config and position. More soon! |
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[#13]
I haven't posted enough for automatic display of pics so they're coming
Went to the thickest feeler gauge. .025 It is thinned in width so that it would fit between the springs to get to the charging handle. From the side and upside down it is the shape of a J with a 45° bend at the top. Feeler gauges come in a set held together by a thumb screw. Remove a gauge and drill out that hole to correspond to the Allen headed bolt that holds that orange bumper. As it leaves the orange bumper it extends towards the muzzle at a .45 degree angle then has a complete curve back on to itself away from the muzzle. The top that contacts the charging handle is the top of the curve. When closing the upper on the lower the new feeler gauge spring must be lifted over the brace in the base of the upper. If it doesn't want to close then pull the charging handle out slowly. The spring assembly will come out an inch or so and the new part will scoot between the springs and contact the handle. Push the spring and handle back in. The upper will close now. The charging handle stays up against the top of its path and does not contact the bottom unless you yank it down. Let it go like it's your AR and it's great. My gunsmith did this work. He checked all functions including test firing. Nothing is contacting the feeler gauge but the area behind the orange bumper and the bottom of the charging handle. I make no claims or recommendations that anyone should do this. (The Legal Dept) Again many thanks to Jasondiesel for the inspiration! |
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[#14]
I read that SIG is supposed to have a fix available soon for that...........when they do I will purchase one
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[#19]
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Your idea got me wondering if a modified leaf spring, like one in a revolver only thinner could be modified in place of the paper clip, and the end of the leaf spring curled to prevent it from digging in, just a thought. View Quote Exactly what I had in mind, looks to be an easy enough fix. |
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[#22]
Range today. Excellent groupings. Flawless performance with Winchester white box, Federal red box & PNC. Charging handle was guided to stay up. No impact with low end of upper.
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[#23]
Would it be possible for you to post the dimensions of the "spring assist" ? I'm going to tackle the fix this week. TIA
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[#24]
So the charging handle is slotted like an AR CH, but does that slot clear anything? Could you insert a delrin strip the full length of the charging handle, protruding from the bottom, to ride along the top of the lower and keep it from drooping?
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[#25]
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So the charging handle is slotted like an AR CH, but does that slot clear anything? Could you insert a delrin strip the full length of the charging handle, protruding from the bottom, to ride along the top of the lower and keep it from drooping? View Quote I think clearance is one issue and wear and tear another, I thought the same thing until I took mine apart and saw the original idea was on track for the shape of the assist. |
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[#26]
My feeler gauges are 1/16 shorter than 3".
3/8" from hole end to first bend. One that appears above Orange bumper. 1 3/8" to second bend. The curve measures 9 /16" across viewed from the side. Strong yet flexible. The gauge is narrowed 1/2" from rear of hole end to be 7/16" wide. You could take a hair more off. So it's base where the Orange bumper bolt goes through is standard feeler gauge width. 1/2". Use .025 feeler gauge. Hope all that make sense. |
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[#27]
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My feeler gauges are 1/16 shorter than 3". 3/8" from hole end to first bend. One that appears above Orange bumper. 1 3/8" to second bend. The curve measures 9 /16" across viewed from the side. Strong yet flexible. The gauge is narrowed 1/2" from rear of hole end to be 7/16" wide. You could take a hair more off. So it's base where the Orange bumper bolt goes through is standard feeler gauge width. 1/2". Use .025 feeler gauge. Hope all that make sense. View Quote Yep, thanks much. |
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[#28]
This charging handle fix everyone is doing is BS. This needs to be corrected by Sig and now not later
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[#29]
I personally could care less and do not think that sig needs to do anything. In fact, they should be pumping out carbon handguards and 4" barrels before looking at this "issue"
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[#30]
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I personally could care less and do not think that sig needs to do anything. In fact, they should be pumping out carbon handguards and 4" barrels before looking at this "issue" View Quote Well that's you but the majority that own the MPX want it fixed. Wear and tear is one thing, but this is beyond the norm. |
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[#31]
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Well that's you but the majority that own the MPX want it fixed. Wear and tear is one thing, but this is beyond the norm. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I personally could care less and do not think that sig needs to do anything. In fact, they should be pumping out carbon handguards and 4" barrels before looking at this "issue" Well that's you but the majority that own the MPX want it fixed. Wear and tear is one thing, but this is beyond the norm. Don't put me in that group. My weapons get used and thus scratched etc... I could care less if my guns are pretty. This charging handle thing is really not a big deal. I'd rather see Sig focus on putting out barrels, stocks etc... Before they cater to those that are worried about scratches on their receivers. |
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Don't put me in that group. My weapons get used and thus scratched etc... I could care less if my guns are pretty. This charging handle thing is really not a big deal. I'd rather see Sig focus on putting out barrels, stocks etc... Before they cater to those that are worried about scratches on their receivers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I personally could care less and do not think that sig needs to do anything. In fact, they should be pumping out carbon handguards and 4" barrels before looking at this "issue" Well that's you but the majority that own the MPX want it fixed. Wear and tear is one thing, but this is beyond the norm. Don't put me in that group. My weapons get used and thus scratched etc... I could care less if my guns are pretty. This charging handle thing is really not a big deal. I'd rather see Sig focus on putting out barrels, stocks etc... Before they cater to those that are worried about scratches on their receivers. Well good for you. My duty rifle gets put in and out of the rack and has been charged a few hundred times and I have nothing close to the the wear and gouging that my MPX has in just a few chargings, so yes it is an issue that needs to be addressed. |
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This charging handle fix everyone is doing is BS. This needs to be corrected by Sig and now not later View Quote I think most of us agree it is just a temp fix until Sig pulls their head out of their ass. In the interim I'd rather not get gouges in my $1200+ firearm and if I have the a pair of tin snips and drill that's what I'll do. |
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I think most of us agree it is just a temp fix until Sig pulls their head out of their ass. In the interim I'd rather not get gouges in my $1200+ firearm and if I have the a pair of tin snips and drill that's what I'll do. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This charging handle fix everyone is doing is BS. This needs to be corrected by Sig and now not later I think most of us agree it is just a temp fix until Sig pulls their head out of their ass. In the interim I'd rather not get gouges in my $1200+ firearm and if I have the a pair of tin snips and drill that's what I'll do. My comment was dirrected at the problem and not what you are doing to fix it. We shouldn't have to be fixing this, Sig should have already done so. |
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[#35]
I cut the sharp angle on the bottom of the CH off at a 45 with a file. No further wear on the lower in that spot now.
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[#37]
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I don't have access to my MPX right now to look at the CH. Can you show a pic of where you filed it down? Thanks. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I cut the sharp angle on the bottom of the CH off at a 45 with a file. No further wear on the lower in that spot now. I don't have access to my MPX right now to look at the CH. Can you show a pic of where you filed it down? Thanks. As soon as I get back to my shop I'll grab a picture. |
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[#38]
I just called Sig customer service and asked about the charging handle issue, and was told a different charging handle would be available within a month, but it will be sold separately, not as a replacement/fix. I don't have an MPX yet, but really want one.
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[#40]
I am looking to do the feeler gauge fix for my sagging MPX charging handle and had some questions.
How long is the completed feeler gauge from the top of the orange rubber buffer (after installation) to the highest point of the curve which contacts the bottom of the charging handle? Does the final width of the feeler gauge where it contacts the underside of the charging handle make contact with the two outer edges of the charging handle or is it thinned down so that it fits in the center groove of the underside of the charging handle? Also, how did you make the top tight curve in the feeler gauge and what tools did you use? Did you have to heat it to bend it? I tried a .025 feeler gauge and it snapped at my bend point and I had to start over. Thanks for your help. |
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I am looking to do the feeler gauge fix for my sagging MPX charging handle and had some questions. How long is the completed feeler gauge from the top of the orange rubber buffer (after installation) to the highest point of the curve which contacts the bottom of the charging handle? Does the final width of the feeler gauge where it contacts the underside of the charging handle make contact with the two outer edges of the charging handle or is it thinned down so that it fits in the center groove of the underside of the charging handle? Also, how did you make the top tight curve in the feeler gauge and what tools did you use? Did you have to heat it to bend it? I tried a .025 feeler gauge and it snapped at my bend point and I had to start over. Thanks for your help. View Quote I used long, thin needle nose pliers and applied heat with a mapp torch while making the "curl" that will go in the underside of the hande, this will be trimmed to sit inside the bottom of the handle. I will then trim the feeler gauge with a dremel and cutting wheel. not done yet so I do not have any measurements, as this is an experimental fix I'm not sure what the final look will be. FYI, so I didn't ruin my gauges you can buy a 10" feeler gauge strip on Ebay for a couple of bucks. |
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[#43]
Tapered feeler gauge with dremel and form with needle nose and torch, going to give it a run through, but may go with a heavier gauge if it starts to sag, but for now it's holding the charging handle in place quite well.
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Tapered feeler gauge with dremel and form with needle nose and torch, going to give it a run through, but may go with a heavier gauge if it starts to sag, but for now it's holding the charging handle in place quite well. View Quote How high up above the receiver does the top of the gauge/spring fix extend and how far forward of the inside back wall of the receiver? Is it tapered to fit inside the groove on the bottom of the charging handle or is it wider, so tjat the outer rails of the bottom of the charging handle ride along it? Lastly, did you make yours out of the .025 feeler gauge? Thanks |
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[#45]
My gunsmith used two pairs of pliers and did gradual bends. The measurements above and eyeballing the pics should get you there. Mine is not narrowed to fit groove in charging handle but is just enough to fit between the springs.
Practice on a thinner gauge they are more flexible and you can hone your skill. Personally I'd take it to a gunsmith. You don't want to restrict any function. This is a device that does go boom. I found that people who are used to fabrication can bend metal with an ease we novices have to learn. Mine sits up very snug at all times while functioning like any AR. |
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[#46]
I agree with Akurate, if you do it yourself, do at your own risk, I am only showing what I did to eliminate slop, I don't condone any one else doing this.
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