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Posted: 9/27/2014 12:17:51 PM EDT
Okay so I was asked by an auction company to come to their auction and background check buyers of their guns. (They are not a dealer in firearms and rarely if ever auction off any firearms.)

Now the best thing I could find was this procedure by the atf on handing private transfers between two individuals.

https://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/assets/pdf-files/atf_proc._2013-1_-_private_firearms_transfers_through_ffls.pdf

Anyone have any insight if this is okay to do? It it not a gun show and I doubt it meets the definition of special event. However, I am not buying/selling firearms either. My worry is that this may not be allowed because it is "off premises"
Link Posted: 9/27/2014 1:32:36 PM EDT
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Depending on the type of auction they may be required to get their own FFL:
https://www.atf.gov/files/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-96-2.pdf

18 U.S.C. § 923(a): ENGAGING IN THE BUSINESS OF DEALING IN FIREARMS (Auctioneers)
Auctioneers who regularly conduct consignment-type auctions of firearms, for example, held every 1-2 months, on behalf of firearms owners where the auctioneer takes possession of the firearms pursuant to a consignment contract with the owner of the firearms giving the auctioneer authority to sell the firearms and providing for a commission to be paid by the owner upon sale of the firearms are required to obtain a license as a dealer in firearms.

ATF Rul. 96-2
[Status of ruling: Active]

An association of auctioneers has asked the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) for a ruling concerning the auctions conducted by their members and whether the sale of firearms at such auctions requires a Federal firearms license as a dealer in firearms.

The auctioneers’ association stated that their members generally conduct two types of auctions: estate-type auctions and consignment auctions. In estate-type auctions, articles to be auctioned, including firearms, are sold by the executor of the estate of an individual. In these cases the firearms belong to and are possessed by the executor. The auctioneer acts as an agent of the executor and assists the executor in finding buyers for the firearms. The firearms are possessed by the estate and their sale to third parties is controlled by the estate. The auctioneer is paid a commission on the sale of each firearm by the estate at the conclusion of the auction.

The association states that, in consignment-type auctions, an auctioneer may take possession of firearms in advance of the auction. The firearms are inventoried, evaluated, and tagged for identification. The firearms belong to individuals or businesses who have entered into a consignment agreement with the auctioneer giving the auctioneer authority to sell the firearms. The agreement states that the auctioneer has the exclusive right to sell the items listed on the contract at a location, time, and date to be selected by the auctioneer. The agreement also provides for the payment of a commission by the owner to the auctioneer. The consignment-type auctions generally involve accepting firearms for auction from more than one owner. Also, these auctions are held on a regular basis, for example, every 1-2 months.

Section 923(a), Title 18, U.S.C., provides that no person shall engage in the business of dealing in firearms until he has filed an application and received a license to do so. Section 922(a)(1), Title 18, U.S.C., provides that it is unlawful for any person, other than a licensee, to engage in the business of dealing in firearms. Licensees generally may not conduct business away from their licensed premises.

The term “dealer” is defined at 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(11)(A) to include any person engaged in the business of selling firearms at wholesale or retail. The term “engaged in the business” as applied to a dealer in firearms means a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms. A dealer can be “engaged in the business” without taking title to the firearms that are sold. However, the term does not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms. 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(21)(C).

In the case of estate-type auctions, the auctioneer acts as an agent of the executor and assists the executor in finding buyers for the estate’s firearms. The firearms are possessed by the estate, and the sales of firearms are made by the estate. In these cases, the auctioneer does not meet the definition of “engaging in the business” as a dealer in firearms and would not require a license. An auctioneer engaged in estate-type auctions, whether licensed or not, may perform this function, including delivery of the firearms, away from the business premises.

In the case of consignment-type auctions held on a regular basis, for example, every 1-2 months, where persons consign their firearms to the auctioneer for sale pursuant to an agreement as described above, the auctioneer would be “engaging in the business” and would require a license. The auctioneer would be disposing of firearms as a regular course of trade or business within the definition of a “dealer” under § 921(a)(11)(A) and must comply with the licensing requirements of the law.

As previously stated, licensed auctioneers generally must engage in the business from their licensed premises. However, an auctioneer may conduct an auction at a location other than his licensed premises by displaying the firearms at the auction site, agreeing to the terms of sale of the firearms, then returning the firearms to the licensed premises for delivery to the purchaser.
Held: Persons who conduct estate-type auctions at which the auctioneer assists the estate in selling the estate’s firearms, and the firearms are possessed and transferred by the estate, do not require a Federal firearms license.

Held further: Persons who regularly conduct consignment-type auctions, for example, held every 1-2 months, where the auctioneer takes possession of the firearms pursuant to a consignment contract giving the auctioneer the exclusive right and authority to sell the firearms at a location, time and date to be selected by the auctioneer and providing for a commission to be paid upon sale are required to obtain a license as a dealer in firearms pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 923(a).
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Link Posted: 9/27/2014 3:34:14 PM EDT
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Anyone have any insight if this is okay to do? It it not a gun show and I doubt it meets the definition of special event. However, I am not buying/selling firearms either. My worry is that this may not be allowed because it is "off premises"
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Unless the auction is taking place at a "gunshow" as defined by the regulations, you cannot perform transfers there.  To qualify as a gunshow, the auction would have to be sponsored by a local, state or national gun organization of some kind.

If the auction house has that sort of sponsorship, call your local branch office to verify it'd qualify as a gunshow and you can do the transfers for them as described in procedure 2013-1.  Otherwise, the auction company would need to transport the firearms (and buyers) to your premises or some other instate location that DOES qualify as a gunshow, and you could perform the transfers there.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:27:00 AM EDT
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Unless the auction is taking place at a "gunshow" as defined by the regulations, you cannot perform transfers there.  To qualify as a gunshow, the auction would have to be sponsored by a local, state or national gun organization of some kind.

If the auction house has that sort of sponsorship, call your local branch office to verify it'd qualify as a gunshow and you can do the transfers for them as described in procedure 2013-1.  Otherwise, the auction company would need to transport the firearms (and buyers) to your premises or some other instate location that DOES qualify as a gunshow, and you could perform the transfers there.
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Anyone have any insight if this is okay to do? It it not a gun show and I doubt it meets the definition of special event. However, I am not buying/selling firearms either. My worry is that this may not be allowed because it is "off premises"

Unless the auction is taking place at a "gunshow" as defined by the regulations, you cannot perform transfers there.  To qualify as a gunshow, the auction would have to be sponsored by a local, state or national gun organization of some kind.

If the auction house has that sort of sponsorship, call your local branch office to verify it'd qualify as a gunshow and you can do the transfers for them as described in procedure 2013-1.  Otherwise, the auction company would need to transport the firearms (and buyers) to your premises or some other instate location that DOES qualify as a gunshow, and you could perform the transfers there.


Okay that is what I thought. Thank you.
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