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Posted: 9/11/2014 10:51:00 AM EDT
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Call to the ATF? Seriously? I can't believe you would need to ask what to do. 
1. Call ATF 2. Call shipper and ask why they sent package with customer name on label AND gave customer tracking#. 3. Call local PD and report theft. 4. Call your customer and advise him to pick up Vaseline. |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 11:09:12 AM EDT
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Tagging for the assraping..
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Posted: 9/11/2014 12:07:31 PM EDT
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Seriously? I can't believe you would need to ask what to do.
1. Call ATF 2. Call shipper and ask why they sent package with customer name on label AND gave customer tracking#. 3. Call local PD and report theft. 4. Call your customer and advise him to pick up Vaseline. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Call to the ATF? Seriously? I can't believe you would need to ask what to do.
1. Call ATF 2. Call shipper and ask why they sent package with customer name on label AND gave customer tracking#. 3. Call local PD and report theft. 4. Call your customer and advise him to pick up Vaseline. Called the ATF and forwarded emails. What did he STEAL exactly? he purchased the gun from Rock River Auction and when i talked to them they said it was there policy to give the tracking number to the person who purchased the gun. Fedex should be the one preparing for an ass rape Felony he committed from ATF i would think that would trump local police. |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 12:19:30 PM EDT
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tagging this
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Posted: 9/11/2014 12:40:29 PM EDT
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Shipper is in trouble here.
They transferred a firearm to a non-licensee without a 4473, and if crossed state lines, add another felony. Never should have had the guys name on the package. |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 12:44:38 PM EDT
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Fedex should be the one preparing for an ass rape. How so? They gave a package to the guy whose name was on the box? What law did they break since clerk had no idea of contents. What if FFL name was not on package, just his address? Do they give package to FFL? This is shipper fail. |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 1:17:31 PM EDT
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I would have contacted the person who picked up the rifle and explained the situation before calling the ATF. Did the Auction site have your FFL info on file?
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Posted: 9/11/2014 1:36:58 PM EDT
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I would have contacted the person who picked up the rifle and explained the situation before calling the ATF. Did the Auction site have your FFL info on file? Well i thought about that but also thought it was a bullshit move on his part. Supposedly it had the business address and "care of the buyers name". I was not taking a chance for some yahoo i have never met before. yes i was on file with them. |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 1:38:39 PM EDT
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How so? They gave a package to the guy whose name was on the box? What law did they break since clerk had no idea of contents. What if FFL name was not on package, just his address? Do they give package to FFL? This is shipper fail. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fedex should be the one preparing for an ass rape. How so? They gave a package to the guy whose name was on the box? What law did they break since clerk had no idea of contents. What if FFL name was not on package, just his address? Do they give package to FFL? This is shipper fail. they send firearms for a 21 and over signature for a reason. i would think they would check the address on his license, i also have the only door tag that was issued. |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 2:03:16 PM EDT
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Called the ATF and forwarded emails. What did he STEAL exactly? You are fucking kidding me. If you don't know what he stole why bother asking questions about what to do?he purchased the gun from Rock River Auction and when i talked to them they said it was there policy to give the tracking number to the person who purchased the gun. Then tell them to notify ATF and explain how they assisted in the violation of Federal law. "it's policy" doesn't mean jack when the information is used to illegally intercept an interstate firearm shipment. Fedex should be the one preparing for an ass rape Felony he committed from ATF i would think that would trump local police. Not always, ATF rarely prosecutes low level infractions.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Call to the ATF? Seriously? I can't believe you would need to ask what to do.
1. Call ATF 2. Call shipper and ask why they sent package with customer name on label AND gave customer tracking#. 3. Call local PD and report theft. 4. Call your customer and advise him to pick up Vaseline. Called the ATF and forwarded emails. What did he STEAL exactly? You are fucking kidding me. If you don't know what he stole why bother asking questions about what to do?he purchased the gun from Rock River Auction and when i talked to them they said it was there policy to give the tracking number to the person who purchased the gun. Then tell them to notify ATF and explain how they assisted in the violation of Federal law. "it's policy" doesn't mean jack when the information is used to illegally intercept an interstate firearm shipment. Fedex should be the one preparing for an ass rape Felony he committed from ATF i would think that would trump local police. Not always, ATF rarely prosecutes low level infractions.. |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 2:04:10 PM EDT
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Shipper is in trouble here. They transferred a firearm to a non-licensee without a 4473, and if crossed state lines, add another felony. Never should have had the guys name on the package. Doubtful the shipper knew it was a firearm. |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 2:17:00 PM EDT
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Doubtful the shipper knew it was a firearm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shipper is in trouble here. They transferred a firearm to a non-licensee without a 4473, and if crossed state lines, add another felony. Never should have had the guys name on the package. Doubtful the shipper knew it was a firearm. shipper only sales firearms. FEDEX had no clue just that it was signature required. |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 2:18:43 PM EDT
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Call to the ATF? Seriously? I can't believe you would need to ask what to do.
1. Call ATF 2. Call shipper and ask why they sent package with customer name on label AND gave customer tracking#. 3. Call local PD and report theft. 4. Call your customer and advise him to pick up Vaseline. Called the ATF and forwarded emails. What did he STEAL exactly? You are fucking kidding me. If you don't know what he stole why bother asking questions about what to do?he purchased the gun from Rock River Auction and when i talked to them they said it was there policy to give the tracking number to the person who purchased the gun. Then tell them to notify ATF and explain how they assisted in the violation of Federal law. "it's policy" doesn't mean jack when the information is used to illegally intercept an interstate firearm shipment. Fedex should be the one preparing for an ass rape Felony he committed from ATF i would think that would trump local police. Not always, ATF rarely prosecutes low level infractions.. i am curios who's property did he take with the intent not to return? |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 3:55:46 PM EDT
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they send firearms for a 21 and over signature for a reason. i would think they would check the address on his license, i also have the only door tag that was issued. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fedex should be the one preparing for an ass rape. How so? They gave a package to the guy whose name was on the box? What law did they break since clerk had no idea of contents. What if FFL name was not on package, just his address? Do they give package to FFL? This is shipper fail. they send firearms for a 21 and over signature for a reason. i would think they would check the address on his license, i also have the only door tag that was issued. Are you saying the buyer is under 21 and did not sign for the package? Seems his name was on package and he claimed it. If your name was on package shouldn't you be allowed to claim it? Address is really irrelevant for determining who the recipient is. Nobody cares about a door tag. |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 3:57:17 PM EDT
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Doubtful the shipper knew it was a firearm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shipper is in trouble here. They transferred a firearm to a non-licensee without a 4473, and if crossed state lines, add another felony. Never should have had the guys name on the package. Doubtful the shipper knew it was a firearm. My bad here, by shipper I meant seller, not FEDEX. |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 3:59:34 PM EDT
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Horses have left the barn, but FWIW I would not have made a federal issue of it right away. I would have contacted buyer and tell him to bring it buy so I could log it in and do a 4473.
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Posted: 9/11/2014 4:15:43 PM EDT
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It's not uncommon to have the buyer and the FFL's name on the shipping label. Plenty of distributors do it when the customer initiates the purchase and the FFL is already on file. The seller is then responnsible for letting the shipper know of the contents.
The USPS requires a specific form just as ammunition requires the ORM-D labels. It sounds like this boils down to the seller not identifying the contents and a counter clerk not up to speed. |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 5:25:49 PM EDT
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UPDATE:
Buyer showed up with his 30-30 from 1970 and said i think i need to sign some paper work. He is 87 and from France. ATF called him and told him "you cant do that". He said he was trying to save me a trip to FEDEX. i did not make a huge ordeal, just wanted to make sure i was covered. So now i know and maybe someone else will run into the same issue. Thanks for the comments. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:38:51 AM EDT
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Tagging for the assraping.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Tagging for the assraping.. same Quoted:
Never should have had the guys name on the package. Easily half of the packages I get in under similar circumstances have the buyers name on the outside shipping label |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:14:03 PM EDT
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Easily half of the packages I get in under similar circumstances have the buyers name on the outside shipping label I find it hard to believe that the often maligned Bud's has figured out how to properly label and ship packages, but 50% of the dealers who bitch about Bud's can't figure it out. It's damn simple: Dealers name Dealers address AND DON'T PUT THE DAMN TRANSFEREES NAME ON THE FUCKING LABEL!..........put it elsewhere on the box. Or you could just do what Palmetto did this summer and ship the lower directly to the customer and their upper and ammo to me. 
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:27:25 PM EDT
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I find it hard to believe that the often maligned Bud's has figured out how to properly label and ship packages, but 50% of the dealers who bitch about Bud's can't figure it out. It's damn simple: Dealers name Dealers address AND DON'T PUT THE DAMN TRANSFEREES NAME ON THE FUCKING LABEL!..........put it elsewhere on the box. Or you could just do what Palmetto did this summer and ship the lower directly to the customer and their upper and ammo to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Easily half of the packages I get in under similar circumstances have the buyers name on the outside shipping label I find it hard to believe that the often maligned Bud's has figured out how to properly label and ship packages, but 50% of the dealers who bitch about Bud's can't figure it out. It's damn simple: Dealers name Dealers address AND DON'T PUT THE DAMN TRANSFEREES NAME ON THE FUCKING LABEL!..........put it elsewhere on the box. Or you could just do what Palmetto did this summer and ship the lower directly to the customer and their upper and ammo to me. I do ask the seller to include the buyers name IN THE BOX so I know whose gun just showed up Somehow that translates into ON the box way too much of the time FedEx managed to deliver a gun to a regular customer of mine earlier this summer when I was not in for my normal FFL hours because I was dealing with code guys and contractors for my move to my new place The buyer even protested their attempt to hand the gun to him. Luckily he was smart enough to get on the phone with me and I ran over to grab the gun from him. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 9:35:18 PM EDT
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I find it hard to believe that the often maligned Bud's has figured out how to properly label and ship packages, but 50% of the dealers who bitch about Bud's can't figure it out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Easily half of the packages I get in under similar circumstances have the buyers name on the outside shipping label I find it hard to believe that the often maligned Bud's has figured out how to properly label and ship packages, but 50% of the dealers who bitch about Bud's can't figure it out. Bud's used to put the label on so the buyer's name was visible. I think they stopped after too many complaints of buyers bypassing the FFL. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 10:11:53 PM EDT
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Bud's used to put the label on so the buyer's name was visible. I think they stopped after too many complaints of buyers bypassing the FFL. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Easily half of the packages I get in under similar circumstances have the buyers name on the outside shipping label I find it hard to believe that the often maligned Bud's has figured out how to properly label and ship packages, but 50% of the dealers who bitch about Bud's can't figure it out. Bud's used to put the label on so the buyer's name was visible. I think they stopped after too many complaints of buyers bypassing the FFL. I still get them with the buyers name visible. I don't know how the buyer can bypass the FFL.............Bud's tracking info usally arrives three days after the customer picks up the gun. 
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