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Posted: 5/7/2012 10:51:45 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT The FFL I last used has contacted me and asked that I provide him with a copy of my birth certificate because he got flagged by the ATF during his last inspection. We looked into using my driver's license or my 03 FFL to prove that my middle name is just the letter, but apparently those won't work. Naturally I'm a little hesitant to give away this information, but am I putting myself at risk if I were to do so? I will probably redact everything but my name and location of birth on the BC copy before I give it to him. He's a stand up guy and runs a very popular home-based FFL service, but it's just the fact that I feel like I'm giving away a lot of personal information. Any advice would be appreciated, particularly if there are alternatives that work in lieu of the birth certificate. |
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Posted: 5/7/2012 11:04:52 PM
Lots of people only have middle initials. This seems silly. The IOI could contact you directly if it is an issue.
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Posted: 5/7/2012 11:05:47 PM
Every examiner is different, mine said nothing. But not sure anyone used a single letter for their middle name either?
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Posted: 5/8/2012 12:44:14 AM
What do you mean exactly by he got flagged ? It seems to be a pretty minor thing unless he had lots of little stuff like that.
Sure they might say something or want it fixed, but I'd be surprised if they flagged him and really did much about it especially with the possibility there was no mistake. |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 12:54:43 AM
Originally Posted By GC7:
I have a unique middle name in that it is not a word, but just a letter. It has been like this all my life and I've always just used the letter. I have no idea why this is, it just is. The FFL I last used has contacted me and asked that I provide him with a copy of my birth certificate because he got flagged by the ATF during his last inspection. We looked into using my driver's license or my 03 FFL to prove that my middle name is just the letter, but apparently those won't work. Naturally I'm a little hesitant to give away this information, but am I putting myself at risk if I were to do so? I will probably redact everything but my name and location of birth on the BC copy before I give it to him. He's a stand up guy and runs a very popular home-based FFL service, but it's just the fact that I feel like I'm giving away a lot of personal information. Any advice would be appreciated, particularly if there are alternatives that work in lieu of the birth certificate. Tell him to have the Agent contact you. |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:19:58 AM
Originally Posted By wyomingnick:
What do you mean exactly by he got flagged ? It seems to be a pretty minor thing unless he had lots of little stuff like that. Sure they might say something or want it fixed, but I'd be surprised if they flagged him and really did much about it especially with the possibility there was no mistake. I don't know the full details but it sounds like he can get the ATF to forgive him for some book keeping mistakes if he can show them that I don't have a full middle name. 
I tried asking if I could just show up when he does the audit but he keeps pushing on me giving him a copy of my BC. |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:26:58 AM
Originally Posted By GC7:
Originally Posted By wyomingnick:
What do you mean exactly by he got flagged ? It seems to be a pretty minor thing unless he had lots of little stuff like that. Sure they might say something or want it fixed, but I'd be surprised if they flagged him and really did much about it especially with the possibility there was no mistake. I don't know the full details but it sounds like he can get the ATF to forgive him for some book keeping mistakes if he can show them that I don't have a full middle name.
I tried asking if I could just show up when he does the audit but he keeps pushing on me giving him a copy of my BC. Don't do it. Ask him to put you in contact with the agent. |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 10:32:51 AM
Last week I had a customer who gave his middle name as "Walter J" ...........just like it was on his drivers license.
I asked "whats the "J" for? "Nothing, just J....my dad was an idiot". 
FBI NICS didn't blink or question it. |
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Posted: 5/30/2012 2:34:54 AM
It's not common, something like 3% I've heard of the US population has a single letter middle name, but it's not exactly unknown. I've sold a large number of guns to people with just a single letter middle name. Your dealer needs to learn his regs if he thinks you need to provide your birth certificate, and that he'll be forgiven for some record keeping errors because he thinks he can prove that nothing was wrong.
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Posted: 5/30/2012 3:39:07 AM
Hell my grandpa doesn't have "normal" first name.
it's just C.B., everyone calls him Chuck. |
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Posted: 6/2/2012 6:22:50 PM
[Last Edit: 6/2/2012 6:23:59 PM by Bladeswitcher]
I have a regular customer who has no first or middle name. His legal name is X Y Zee . . . (well, that's not actually his name, but you get the idea). It's always interesting when I call it in to NICS, but that's what's on his driver's license and he swears that's his name.
If I'm not going to question urban people on some of the fucked up names they have, why should I question this one at all? |
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Posted: 6/7/2012 11:04:39 PM
It says on the 4473 if you have no middle name to write N M N. So, I and my customers, if it applies, write the initial with NMN next to it. Whats the problem??
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Posted: 6/27/2012 2:32:51 PM
I was told by our local office to just annotate Middle Inital Only (MIO).
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Posted: 6/27/2012 2:36:38 PM
Originally Posted By QCMGR: Originally Posted By GC7: I have a unique middle name in that it is not a word, but just a letter. It has been like this all my life and I've always just used the letter. I have no idea why this is, it just is. The FFL I last used has contacted me and asked that I provide him with a copy of my birth certificate because he got flagged by the ATF during his last inspection. We looked into using my driver's license or my 03 FFL to prove that my middle name is just the letter, but apparently those won't work. Naturally I'm a little hesitant to give away this information, but am I putting myself at risk if I were to do so? I will probably redact everything but my name and location of birth on the BC copy before I give it to him. He's a stand up guy and runs a very popular home-based FFL service, but it's just the fact that I feel like I'm giving away a lot of personal information. Any advice would be appreciated, particularly if there are alternatives that work in lieu of the birth certificate. Tell him to have the Agent contact you. +1 |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 2:40:40 PM
Originally Posted By Chipper44mag:
It says on the 4473 if you have no middle name to write N M N. So, I and my customers, if it applies, write the initial with NMN next to it. Whats the problem?? The problem is that's not correct. If the customers name is Donald R Duck Last name: Duck First name: Donald Middle name: R That's it. Putting "NMN" after the letter "R" is incorrect and misleading...........the letter "R" IS their middle name. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:36:46 PM
Originally Posted By DogtownTom:
Originally Posted By Chipper44mag:
It says on the 4473 if you have no middle name to write N M N. So, I and my customers, if it applies, write the initial with NMN next to it. Whats the problem?? The problem is that's not correct. If the customers name is Donald R Duck Last name: Duck First name: Donald Middle name: R That's it. Putting "NMN" after the letter "R" is incorrect and misleading...........the letter "R" IS their middle name. The correct way that the Federal government does it is to write (IO) for "initial only" after the letter. |
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Posted: 7/6/2012 3:21:14 AM
I have no middle name just an initial and never had a problem. If an ffl asked me for my birth certificate I would find a new ffl
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Posted: 7/9/2012 9:03:19 AM
If their is only a middle initial on a 4473 I just say " I have a middle initial of...." and I have never had a problem.
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Posted: 7/9/2012 1:20:52 PM
my middle "name" is J
not J(period) just J never had an issue at any gun store, and sometimes i dont even put it on the form. and sometimes i dont even include my III(3rd) suffix. |
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Posted: 7/27/2012 10:51:24 PM
Originally Posted By EOD_Guy:
Originally Posted By DogtownTom:
Originally Posted By Chipper44mag:
It says on the 4473 if you have no middle name to write N M N. So, I and my customers, if it applies, write the initial with NMN next to it. Whats the problem?? The problem is that's not correct. If the customers name is Donald R Duck Last name: Duck First name: Donald Middle name: R That's it. Putting "NMN" after the letter "R" is incorrect and misleading...........the letter "R" IS their middle name. The correct way that the Federal government does it is to write (IO) for "initial only" after the letter. but its not an initial.... |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 8:47:20 AM
Use another 01 FFL for transfers.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 9:09:13 AM
Tell him to tell the agent to contact you if you want to use him again.
Tell him to fuck off if you don't want to use him again. (or just ignore him)
Find an FFL that doesn't get in trouble with the ATF, or at least, doesn't try to use you to get out of that trouble. The ATF has too much power to allow some chuckhead to carelessly bring them into your life. |
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TxLewis
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Posted: 7/31/2012 9:13:03 AM
My nephew has two middle names, how does one fill that 4473 out?
TXL |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 10:19:47 AM
Originally Posted By TxLewis:
My nephew has two middle names, how does one fill that 4473 out? TXL The 4473 has spaces for: Last name First name Middle name Any guess where all your middle names go?
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Posted: 8/1/2012 1:45:30 AM
If it were a problem, none of the transactions I've ever done at work would have gone smoothly. When we did it by phone, I just said, "the letter K," and that was that. Now with the online form we use, the customer has to put in a couple asterisks so it goes through, but the person on the other end has never called back to say anything.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 12:04:35 AM
in miami its not un common to see antonio jose santa ramos garcia...... on a 4473
harry S truman had only an initial this ffl sounds fishy........... |
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