For over a year now I've been planning to get an Ares SCR (AR lower with a trad stock like an 870, no pistol grip) when I re-settle in the US, since my work for the next few years will likely involve being based out of Washington DC and living part time in the Bay Area, so any EBR I own needs to be "featureless".

I like bullpups but had totally written off finding a DC-legal one (they're way pickier about things like Bullet Buttons), but then today at SHOT the KT boys are showing off this:



It probably won't come out in this "C" version until the end of the year, and this is KT we're talking about, and I'm curious how weird the ergonomics are for the grip hand. But all that aside, this is a pretty interesting little option.

That's pretty interesting.  Have you considered living west of the Potomac?  Then you could have real guns, and keep the 10 rounders in California.

Not a bad looking rifle for what it is where you are.

That's pretty fuggly, now go build us some regular model RDB's - seems they have dried up not a one on GB currently.

What is    cool is that they are making them in 6.5 Grendel

Yeah that ought to sell like hot cakes, and be as popular as a hooker with the herp

Lot of manufactures early on in the release of a new platform talk about offering .300 black, 7.62 x39 etc but rarely deliver...

Am I the only one stoked about this?

Seems like a slim, ergonomic, and easily to shoulder rifle. With a 10rd flush mag this would be very easy to stow, transport, and pack. I'd like to see it with a 16" barrel for suppressor use, but with a 6" thread on can on the 20" barrel the OAL would be around 34 inches!! Which is around the same OAL of your 16" AR with birdcage when the stock is a few clicks out.

Only things I'd like to see are a bit more contour for the firing hand with thumb over bore, and some sort of way to attach a rail on the side



Full Oleg Volk review here

For a cali compliant rifle, it's not half bad looking.

Chambered in 6.5 with an option for an integral suppressor, this is almost identical to a rifle I imagined in a novel being sold by aliens to humans a couple years ago.

Really looking forward to handling one. Though I will probably aquire one with a proper pistol grip.

If this can be bought around 750 I'll buy one. This seems extremely compact in its dimensions as a full size non-nfa rifle.

Hmmm...interesting...

just get a 30-30 and be done with it...

You know it won't be. I can't imagine it being less than $1,000. The regular RDB goes for around $1,200 - 1,500.
I wonder why it doesn't come in a 16" barrel version?

eta - But I hope it will sell for $750.

looks to be NYS compliant as well


is the barrel threaded?  Is that a brake on the end or just a dummy flash hider lookin thing?

Put a smaller sight on that thing and you have a very compact rifle that can slide into a discrete bag.

I kinda like this design better than the pistol grip version.

May as well try and get K-T to send you to you for free. I feel the same way about the Tavor though to be honest.... if I could get one for $1000 I would buy it

This looks great! I too have been considering an ARES SCR (for hunting duty), but to me this looks to be a much more viable alternative, combining both modern tech with more traditional rifle ergonomics; may even be able to win over a few Fudds with this one!

I'm really torn because the SCR is pretty slick and gives the owner (swaggin' it here) 80% of the customizabity of the AR15 series while being 50-states+DC legal and a comfy traditional grip. But I also love bullpups, compact rifles, and weird stuff, so despite my fears of KT's mismatch of clever ideas and iffy QC, it's pretty appealing.

The recent video reviews and the above photos of gripping it really put to rest most of my ergonomic concerns, as it looks awfully close to just a traditional stock grip rather than as weird as I'd feared.

Any assessments on how easy it is to swap barrels on one of these? I'd want one for the very at-odds purposes of having a legal rifle in CA/NY/DC (currently have a DC-papered pistol and shotgun so I'm familiar with their regulatory kabuki dance), but since initial reports say these are great suppressor hosts, it'd be spiffy if I could have one longer barrel with a pinned compensator to be kosher in ban states, and a second shorter barrel that easily latches a suppressor to swap on for use in free states.

I was really drawn to the KM M17S (reboot of the old Bushmaster bullpup) but those are thin on the ground and rely on just one small shop to keep them going, while KT for all its flaws has consistently been in business for decades and supporting (often necessarily) their products. Both designs I find appealing for their minimalism, and I guess I'm just a sucker for fringe good ideas that never made it big but maybe should have in an alternate reality (like my recumbent bicycle).

I'll be curious to see how the RFB in general does as reviewers put it through the wringer, and if it stays a niche oddity like the RFB or actually ramps up tor big sales. If the latter, the emergence of small boutique accessory makers like Manticore gives me hope that some of the stock product's flaws might be fixed in the aftermarket for those willing to pay extra for more refinement.

Send them all to California, I'll pick one up

They claim it's 50 state legal, but the wording of the CT AWB gets a little dicey about hand placement, and I don't get a warm and fuzzy about it passing muster here!

But, if it is, and it turns out to be as good as the first reviews, I will buy one.  That, or just move out of this Commie, Socialist shit hole!

Given the wording, I very much doubt any bullpup would be CT legal unless you turn it upside down....  

I'd be a lot more excited if KelTec could make enough regular models to meet demand instead of coming up with an additional model that they can't supply in decent numbers...

But maybe that's just me...

Forrest

If there is a gun Kel Tec can build that can greatly improve their reputation. ... it's the RDB. It is AK simple and cheap to make. If the RDB had the volume of production of the AR.... they would sell for $600 retail.

My point was not about the quality of KelTec products, but about their production 'strategy' (which makes them money but leaves prospective customers feeling bad about the company because of their inability/unwillingness to supply product.

For example, it took me about five years to finally locate and purchase a KelTec PMR-30.

It took me about five years to finally locate and purchase a KelTec RFB.

I'm still looking for a KelTec CMR-30...

Waiting five years for a KelTec RGB will probably leave me dead from old age before finding one.

My personal feeling is that KelTec has picked a production model that guarantees a stable production base for them, but one that also dramatically fails to meet demand.

I look forward to being able to test a RGB, which looks like a superior product.  That doesn't leave me with warm, cuddly feelings about KelTec.

Just sayin'...

Forrest

They sell everything they can produce, and have no debt.  Might not be the greatest business model, but in a variable market, it would seem to be a very stable business model.

Yup...

Works well for them...

Forrest