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Posted: 6/2/2016 12:13:38 AM EDT
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I love my X95 and the groups aren't really the greatest compared to others but in the end, I'm shooting steel targets at distance and it works great! If I'm wanting the best accuracy, I'll use my MK12 Mod 0 or Remington 700. Some guns have other uses and the X95 is compact and I've had no issue out to 300 yards with boring accuracy. Build a MK12 if you're wanting to lay your rounds on top of each other or a solid bolt gun.
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Posted: 6/3/2016 8:55:46 AM EDT
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I love my X95 and the groups aren't really the greatest compared to others but in the end, I'm shooting steel targets at distance and it works great! If I'm wanting the best accuracy, I'll use my MK12 Mod 0 or Remington 700. Some guns have other uses and the X95 is compact and I've had no issue out to 300 yards with boring accuracy. Build a MK12 if you're wanting to lay your rounds on top of each other or a solid bolt gun. I kinda agree, I picture this gun as a " battle carbine" not a SPR |
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Posted: 6/3/2016 3:29:12 PM EDT
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I love my X95 and the groups aren't really the greatest compared to others but in the end, I'm shooting steel targets at distance and it works great! If I'm wanting the best accuracy, I'll use my MK12 Mod 0 or Remington 700. Some guns have other uses and the X95 is compact and I've had no issue out to 300 yards with boring accuracy. Build a MK12 if you're wanting to lay your rounds on top of each other or a solid bolt gun. I kinda agree, I picture this gun as a " battle carbine" not a SPR Unfortunately, it is priced as a "premium" product like that SPR at $1800 or thereabouts, so it comes with an expectation of "premium" performance. 4-5 MOA from a "premium" product really isn't acceptable. I'm not telling anyone they can't buy it but for me, that juice ain't worth the squeeze. IWI dropped the ball pretty hard on this one. Not a case of sour grapes either. I spent $2000 on an FS2000 from the second import batch, $2000 on an AXR back when it looked like Steyr was gone for good, $1650 on a 16" OD green Tavor, and so on among non-bullpup rifles as well. I have no problem buying toys like this but they better perform or be rare/hard to find. X95 just isn't either. |
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Posted: 6/3/2016 3:35:42 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, it is priced as a "premium" product like that SPR at $1800 or thereabouts, so it comes with an expectation of "premium" performance. 4-5 MOA from a "premium" product really isn't acceptable. I'm not telling anyone they can't buy it but for me, that juice ain't worth the squeeze. IWI dropped the ball pretty hard on this one. Not a case of sour grapes either. I spent $2000 on an FS2000 from the second import batch, $2000 on an AXR back when it looked like Steyr was gone for good, $1650 on a 16" OD green Tavor, and so on among non-bullpup rifles as well. I have no problem buying toys like this but they better perform or be rare/hard to find. X95 just isn't either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love my X95 and the groups aren't really the greatest compared to others but in the end, I'm shooting steel targets at distance and it works great! If I'm wanting the best accuracy, I'll use my MK12 Mod 0 or Remington 700. Some guns have other uses and the X95 is compact and I've had no issue out to 300 yards with boring accuracy. Build a MK12 if you're wanting to lay your rounds on top of each other or a solid bolt gun. I kinda agree, I picture this gun as a " battle carbine" not a SPR Unfortunately, it is priced as a "premium" product like that SPR at $1800 or thereabouts, so it comes with an expectation of "premium" performance. 4-5 MOA from a "premium" product really isn't acceptable. I'm not telling anyone they can't buy it but for me, that juice ain't worth the squeeze. IWI dropped the ball pretty hard on this one. Not a case of sour grapes either. I spent $2000 on an FS2000 from the second import batch, $2000 on an AXR back when it looked like Steyr was gone for good, $1650 on a 16" OD green Tavor, and so on among non-bullpup rifles as well. I have no problem buying toys like this but they better perform or be rare/hard to find. X95 just isn't either. Yeah, I feel like the premium is more for the size of the overall package you're getting and the fact that it's more of a niche gun. ARs are plenty and tons of people make them so it makes sense why for the money on an X95 you can get something way better. I have several AR rifles and other stuff, this is just different and does great as a battle quality rifle for me. |
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Posted: 6/4/2016 5:58:58 AM EDT
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I laugh when people comment it isnt meant for precision or is meant only for close range etc, etc. The idea behind the bullpup is for a full length barrel in an sbr sized configuration, and the advantages of such a small package are well known.
But when a cheap AR has better groups than a 2K rifle there is a problem with the engineering of the rifle. If the gun had a 10 inch barrel, it would be one thing, but for a 16 inch barrel and inconsistant groups, .......there is no justification for that. I really hope they fix the problem as I really wanted to pick one up. |
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Posted: 6/4/2016 8:16:52 AM EDT
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Let me know how many bullpups you see at a stationary shooting competition next time you attend. Do I think the rifle should have better accuracy out of the box? Absolutely. Will it effect the shooting I intend to use it for? I highly doubt it.
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Posted: 6/4/2016 9:18:33 AM EDT
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I laugh when people comment it isnt meant for precision or is meant only for close range etc, etc. The idea behind the bullpup is for a full length barrel in an sbr sized configuration, and the advantages of such a small package are well known. But when a cheap AR has better groups than a 2K rifle there is a problem with the engineering of the rifle. If the gun had a 10 inch barrel, it would be one thing, but for a 16 inch barrel and inconsistant groups, .......there is no justification for that. I really hope they fix the problem as I really wanted to pick one up. I chose the earlier Tavor for that reason and while I didn't shoot for groups last night, it appeared to be about as accurate as my AR's. At my LGS, one salesman told me the accuracy issue with the X95 didn't exist and another said they'd fixed it in the newest batch of rifles. I don't know what's going on but I doubt there'd be all this squawking if there weren't a major problem. Glad I went with the old Tavor. It was an absolute joy to shoot. I'll settle down for some precision shooting sometime in the coming weeks. |
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Posted: 6/4/2016 11:12:20 AM EDT
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I laugh when people comment it isnt meant for precision or is meant only for close range etc, etc. The idea behind the bullpup is for a full length barrel in an sbr sized configuration, and the advantages of such a small package are well known. But when a cheap AR has better groups than a 2K rifle there is a problem with the engineering of the rifle. If the gun had a 10 inch barrel, it would be one thing, but for a 16 inch barrel and inconsistant groups, .......there is no justification for that. I really hope they fix the problem as I really wanted to pick one up. Yep. The fact they have not progressed in accuracy from the 30+ year old AUG (which in itself remains more accurate than the Tavor, let alone the x95) or their own more recent Tavor is just embarrassing. They need to come clean and acknowledge the issue or at the least, make a public statement. Zero interest at this point in the x95, although it would be nice to see a new thread "IWI US officially announces better-than-Mini-14-accurate x95s for close to $2K" Waiting to see if IWI steps up or the x95 dies a slow death over time.. 
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Posted: 6/4/2016 3:43:30 PM EDT
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The pistol grips with regular trigger guards are available but only in black. They also have IDF pistol grip panels but only in black.
https://iwi.us/Products/Tavor-X95/Tavor-X95-Accessories/Tavor%C2%AE-X95%E2%84%A2-Pistol-Grip.aspx https://iwi.us/Products/Tavor-X95/Tavor-X95-Accessories/Tavor%C2%AE-X95%E2%84%A2-IDF-Pistol-Grip-Panels.aspx IWI US did kind of respond to the accuracy issue. They posted on facebook announcing pistol grips were available and someone commented about the accuracy. IWI US responded by saying the accuracy issue was a BS claim. https://www.facebook.com/IWIUS/posts/825694674227721 |
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Posted: 6/4/2016 4:03:20 PM EDT
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The pistol grips with regular trigger guards are available but only in black. They also have IDF pistol grip panels but only in black. https://iwi.us/Products/Tavor-X95/Tavor-X95-Accessories/Tavor%C2%AE-X95%E2%84%A2-Pistol-Grip.aspx https://iwi.us/Products/Tavor-X95/Tavor-X95-Accessories/Tavor%C2%AE-X95%E2%84%A2-IDF-Pistol-Grip-Panels.aspx IWI US did kind of respond to the accuracy issue. They posted on facebook announcing pistol grips were available and someone commented about the accuracy. IWI US responded by saying the accuracy issue was a BS claim. https://www.facebook.com/IWIUS/posts/825694674227721 
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Posted: 6/7/2016 2:31:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. The fact they have not progressed in accuracy from the 30+ year old AUG (which in itself remains more accurate than the Tavor, let alone the x95) or their own more recent Tavor is just embarrassing. They need to come clean and acknowledge the issue or at the least, make a public statement. Zero interest at this point in the x95, although it would be nice to see a new thread "IWI US officially announces better-than-Mini-14-accurate x95s for close to $2K" Waiting to see if IWI steps up or the x95 dies a slow death over time.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I laugh when people comment it isnt meant for precision or is meant only for close range etc, etc. The idea behind the bullpup is for a full length barrel in an sbr sized configuration, and the advantages of such a small package are well known. But when a cheap AR has better groups than a 2K rifle there is a problem with the engineering of the rifle. If the gun had a 10 inch barrel, it would be one thing, but for a 16 inch barrel and inconsistant groups, .......there is no justification for that. I really hope they fix the problem as I really wanted to pick one up. Yep. The fact they have not progressed in accuracy from the 30+ year old AUG (which in itself remains more accurate than the Tavor, let alone the x95) or their own more recent Tavor is just embarrassing. They need to come clean and acknowledge the issue or at the least, make a public statement. Zero interest at this point in the x95, although it would be nice to see a new thread "IWI US officially announces better-than-Mini-14-accurate x95s for close to $2K" Waiting to see if IWI steps up or the x95 dies a slow death over time.. |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 1:07:47 AM EDT
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The x95 is not going to die. Likely they will stop making the SAR at some point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I laugh when people comment it isnt meant for precision or is meant only for close range etc, etc. The idea behind the bullpup is for a full length barrel in an sbr sized configuration, and the advantages of such a small package are well known. But when a cheap AR has better groups than a 2K rifle there is a problem with the engineering of the rifle. If the gun had a 10 inch barrel, it would be one thing, but for a 16 inch barrel and inconsistant groups, .......there is no justification for that. I really hope they fix the problem as I really wanted to pick one up. Yep. The fact they have not progressed in accuracy from the 30+ year old AUG (which in itself remains more accurate than the Tavor, let alone the x95) or their own more recent Tavor is just embarrassing. They need to come clean and acknowledge the issue or at the least, make a public statement. Zero interest at this point in the x95, although it would be nice to see a new thread "IWI US officially announces better-than-Mini-14-accurate x95s for close to $2K" Waiting to see if IWI steps up or the x95 dies a slow death over time.. Lots can happen here. Once the newness wears off and assumed x95 'improvements' over the Tavor are seen to be at the expense of accuracy, assuming no further action to correct by IWI...if the Tavor outsells the x95, I wouldn't put $$ on your statement. If instead, this is a new product launch/growing pain issue and the x95's accuracy is at least on par with the already low-but-adequate Tavors...you may be right. Time will tell, but right now we can surely agree the posts in this thread and various hands-on reviews are not having a positive effect on x95 sales. |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 6:14:37 PM EDT
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Lots can happen here. Once the newness wears off and assumed x95 'improvements' over the Tavor are seen to be at the expense of accuracy, assuming no further action to correct by IWI...if the Tavor outsells the x95, I wouldn't put $$ on your statement. If inn stead, this is a new product launch/growing pain issue and the x95's accuracy is at least on par with the already low-but-adequate Tavors...you may be right. Time will tell, but right now we can surely agree the posts in this thread and various hands-on reviews are not having a positive effect on x95 sales. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I laugh when people comment it isnt meant for precision or is meant only for close range etc, etc. The idea behind the bullpup is for a full length barrel in an sbr sized configuration, and the advantages of such a small package are well known. But when a cheap AR has better groups than a 2K rifle there is a problem with the engineering of the rifle. If the gun had a 10 inch barrel, it would be one thing, but for a 16 inch barrel and inconsistant groups, .......there is no justification for that. I really hope they fix the problem as I really wanted to pick one up. Yep. The fact they have not progressed in accuracy from the 30+ year old AUG (which in itself remains more accurate than the Tavor, let alone the x95) or their own more recent Tavor is just embarrassing. They need to come clean and acknowledge the issue or at the least, make a public statement. Zero interest at this point in the x95, although it would be nice to see a new thread "IWI US officially announces better-than-Mini-14-accurate x95s for close to $2K" Waiting to see if IWI steps up or the x95 dies a slow death over time.. Lots can happen here. Once the newness wears off and assumed x95 'improvements' over the Tavor are seen to be at the expense of accuracy, assuming no further action to correct by IWI...if the Tavor outsells the x95, I wouldn't put $$ on your statement. If inn stead, this is a new product launch/growing pain issue and the x95's accuracy is at least on par with the already low-but-adequate Tavors...you may be right. Time will tell, but right now we can surely agree the posts in this thread and various hands-on reviews are not having a positive effect on x95 sales. This is anecdotal, but a couple weeks ago, I bought a Tavor over the X95 specifically because of the accuracy issue. I doubt I'm the only one, and I doubt they'll be taking the Tavor out of production any time soon. I'd have bought an X95 if this had not been an issue. |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 7:51:00 PM EDT
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seems like IWI is in damage control on that facebook page
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:29:20 AM EDT
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seems like IWI is in damage control on that facebook page This is the only response that I saw... From IWI You want to start a thread about accuracy, be our guest. This is a thread about grips and this is our corporate FB page. We will edit it as we see fit, especially claims that are BS. BS? Oh really? Every review that I've come across the accuracy has been poor. Until IWI can resolve this issue, I'm not buying. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 7:00:31 AM EDT
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This is the only response that I saw... From IWI BS? Oh really? Every review that I've come across the accuracy has been poor. Until IWI can resolve this issue, I'm not buying. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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seems like IWI is in damage control on that facebook page This is the only response that I saw... From IWI You want to start a thread about accuracy, be our guest. This is a thread about grips and this is our corporate FB page. We will edit it as we see fit, especially claims that are BS. BS? Oh really? Every review that I've come across the accuracy has been poor. Until IWI can resolve this issue, I'm not buying. I pretty much told them to prove the claims were BS on facebook, I doubt they'll respond. |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 10:34:44 PM EDT
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What has the going rate been lately for X95s? Casual searching seems to be about $1750, but is suspect that's panic pricing in action.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 12:01:20 AM EDT
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What has the going rate been lately for X95s? Casual searching seems to be about $1750, but is suspect that's panic pricing in action. Nope. That's about what they ran before Orlando. That's a decent price, IMO. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 12:44:05 AM EDT
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I like the Tavors and really like the improvements on the X95 but I expect it to shoot at least as good as a Tavor - not worse. Saw a used Tavor at the LGS and was tempted by it. Hope IWI works this out.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 4:05:41 PM EDT
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Any word of 9mm or SBR kits. Want to decide on form 1 or not soon.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 4:47:19 PM EDT
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Check Ratworx, ask for Aaron. They have good prices.
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Posted: 6/25/2016 12:58:05 PM EDT
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I forgot about the group buy over on the bullpup forum - I now have OD X95 on order. Now, the wait for OD pistol grips begins...
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Posted: 6/26/2016 6:38:39 PM EDT
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Was going to buy an X95 but that accuracy issue is a major concern for me.Picked up a scorpion carbine today 1.5 inch groups at 100 yds. Best 900 I've ever spent. A 9 mm carbine should not be out shooting an X95
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Posted: 6/26/2016 6:59:28 PM EDT
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Was going to buy an X95 but that accuracy issue is a major concern for me.Picked up a scorpion carbine today 1.5 inch groups at 100 yds. Best 900 I've ever spent. A 9 mm carbine should not be out shooting an X95 It isn't your just trying to pile on |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 7:12:43 PM EDT
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Not at all .I really wanted the x95 and was pissed when I heard about the accuracy problems.I stumbled upon a scorpion yesterday and had the cash so I pulled the trigger.I wanted a short carbine that's easy to backpack with. I'll buy a 308 bolt rifle with the cash leftover.
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Posted: 6/26/2016 7:15:29 PM EDT
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8 inch groups at 200 yds for what 1700.00 NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
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Posted: 6/26/2016 7:16:55 PM EDT
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Fix the issue I may reconsider.
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Posted: 6/26/2016 7:28:24 PM EDT
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8 inch groups at 200 yds for what 1700.00 NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Wow, you are not that good of shot |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 9:06:51 PM EDT
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A little better than average
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Posted: 6/27/2016 8:34:08 AM EDT
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I really wanted the X95 as well, so I hope IWI clears up the accuracy problem.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 9:00:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It isn't your just trying to pile on Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Was going to buy an X95 but that accuracy issue is a major concern for me.Picked up a scorpion carbine today 1.5 inch groups at 100 yds. Best 900 I've ever spent. A 9 mm carbine should not be out shooting an X95 It isn't your just trying to pile on He's right really, there's no way I could get my X-95 to do that, 1.5" was my best 50 yard group so far... |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 5:00:42 PM EDT
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He's right really, there's no way I could get my X-95 to do that, 1.5" was my best 50 yard group so far... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Was going to buy an X95 but that accuracy issue is a major concern for me.Picked up a scorpion carbine today 1.5 inch groups at 100 yds. Best 900 I've ever spent. A 9 mm carbine should not be out shooting an X95 It isn't your just trying to pile on He's right really, there's no way I could get my X-95 to do that, 1.5" was my best 50 yard group so far... I want a X95 but the accuracy has scared me off for now. Hopefully they address this soon. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:24:04 PM EDT
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Was going to buy an X95 but that accuracy issue is a major concern for me.Picked up a scorpion carbine today 1.5 inch groups at 100 yds. Best 900 I've ever spent. A 9 mm carbine should not be out shooting an X95 It isn't your just trying to pile on He's right really, there's no way I could get my X-95 to do that, 1.5" was my best 50 yard group so far... I want a X95 but the accuracy has scared me off for now. Hopefully they address this soon. It scared me off, too, so I picked up a Tavor SAR. I absolutely LOVE it and have no regrets or desire for the X95. I do think the X95 has some improvements, but the SAR is just fine and once you get used to it, the improvements aren't a big deal, IMHO. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 5:44:36 PM EDT
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Was going to buy an X95 but that accuracy issue is a major concern for me.Picked up a scorpion carbine today 1.5 inch groups at 100 yds. Best 900 I've ever spent. A 9 mm carbine should not be out shooting an X95 It isn't your just trying to pile on He's right really, there's no way I could get my X-95 to do that, 1.5" was my best 50 yard group so far... I want a X95 but the accuracy has scared me off for now. Hopefully they address this soon. Me as well, I don't understand what parts of the design differences between the X95 and Tavor would inherently lead to such accuracy issues as are being reported. I'm hoping this is a temporary manufacturing issue, and that maybe by the time they get the SBR's up and out it'll be fixed. I'd rather an improved SBR X95 than a current 16" inconsistent X95. |
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Posted: 7/31/2016 8:34:38 PM EDT
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Any word on when the FDE pistol grips will drop?
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Posted: 7/31/2016 10:58:20 PM EDT
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Any word on when the FDE pistol grips will drop? Somebody on another forum contacted IWI and they told him sometime around September. |
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Posted: 10/11/2016 7:37:57 PM EDT
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8 inch groups at 200 yds for what 1700.00 NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Any new word on this? |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 4:32:23 PM EDT
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Broke down and ordered an X95 yesterday morning. It should be at my FFL tomorrow. I'll pick it up when my suppressor gets there then I will see how accurate it is and have some coworkers shoot it too. Sadly the maximum length of our range is 80 feet. 95 if I shoot through the doorway from the observation room.
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Posted: 10/25/2016 5:21:18 PM EDT
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I saw a where to buy an AUG thread.
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Posted: 10/25/2016 8:11:41 PM EDT
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So where to get an X95? I was excited at the opportunity to post a useful answer to your question, because I searched high and low for one before getting one last week from Primary Arms for $1633 and unbelievably only $1647 shipped! I noticed the price went up $22 a few days ago, still a great deal from what I was seeing, but I just checked now to provide you a link and they're $1999. Sorry. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 9:14:07 PM EDT
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I was excited at the opportunity to post a useful answer to your question, because I searched high and low for one before getting one last week from Primary Arms for $1633 and unbelievably only $1647 shipped! I noticed the price went up $22 a few days ago, still a great deal from what I was seeing, but I just checked now to provide you a link and they're $1999. Sorry. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So where to get an X95? I was excited at the opportunity to post a useful answer to your question, because I searched high and low for one before getting one last week from Primary Arms for $1633 and unbelievably only $1647 shipped! I noticed the price went up $22 a few days ago, still a great deal from what I was seeing, but I just checked now to provide you a link and they're $1999. Sorry. Plus $165 taxes for Texans. Thanks for trying though!! |
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Posted: 10/26/2016 6:17:32 AM EDT
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Tssoutfitters was the other place I was eyeing. They're $1655, the same price PA raised their to, but they're out of stock. Here's one less than $1700, but I've never heard of them... http://wisearms.com/collections/longguns/products/iwi-tavor-x95-bullpup-5-56nato-rifle-flattop-16-5-barrel-black
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Posted: 10/26/2016 5:48:12 PM EDT
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Give Aaron at Ratworx a call, very reasonable price.
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Posted: 10/30/2016 4:32:42 PM EDT
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Tssoutfitters was the other place I was eyeing. They're $1655, the same price PA raised their to, but they're out of stock. Here's one less than $1700, but I've never heard of them... http://wisearms.com/collections/longguns/products/iwi-tavor-x95-bullpup-5-56nato-rifle-flattop-16-5-barrel-black Good luck! Buy sooner rather than later, prices are on the rise. TSS Outfitters doesn't have them listed on their website. Do you need to call? |
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Posted: 10/30/2016 9:08:35 PM EDT
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TSS Outfitters doesn't have them listed on their website. Do you need to call? Like I mentioned, they're out of stock... http://tssoutfitters.com/shop/iwi-us-xb16-tavor-x95-semi-automatic-223-remington-5-56-nato-16-5-30-1-polymer-stk-blk/ Wise arms allows you to add to cart though. |
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