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Didn't DT hire a guy away from Sig who was supposed to be the end all be all of firearm engineers, only for him to leave DT shortly thereafter? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Combine that with the lights off in the development office, and this is not a pretty picture. What do you mean by this? No insider information - just a half-joke that the progression isn't much better than it would be if the development office wasn't even bothering to show up for work. It's not literal. Well... at least I think it's not literal, at times I wonder. Didn't DT hire a guy away from Sig who was supposed to be the end all be all of firearm engineers, only for him to leave DT shortly thereafter? I remember that guy being a big deal for them and about how great he was at getting products out of R&D and into mfg. Did he really leave? Jeez. |
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I know I am getting impatient, but has anyone that has pre-ordered received anything with any sort of update or shipping notice or anything?
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I would not think so when they have pushed the release date out to next year or at least the next up date will come Jan saying it will be July.
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I would not think so when they have pushed the release date out to next year or at least the next up date will come Jan saying it will be July. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I know I am getting impatient, but has anyone that has pre-ordered received anything with any sort of update or shipping notice or anything? Where did you see the release being pushed back to next year? My order predicts a 14 Nov 16 delivery |
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I wish you well on getting it in Nov :) may the bullpup gods smile on you They do not even have a proto type with production parts yet that they are happy with
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I would not think so when they have pushed the release date out to next year or at least the next up date will come Jan saying it will be July. Quoted:
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I wish you well on getting it in Nov :) may the bullpup gods smile on you They do not even have a proto type with production parts yet that they are happy with View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I would not think so when they have pushed the release date out to next year or at least the next up date will come Jan saying it will be July. Quoted:
I know I am getting impatient, but has anyone that has pre-ordered received anything with any sort of update or shipping notice or anything? Where did you see the release being pushed back to next year? My order predicts a 14 Nov 16 delivery You are pry right, the waiting is killing me, I was just hoping for some good news. |
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Maybe I am just negative but I predict it will be more like next summer or later
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Could be worse, I remember when this happened.
http://www.mtv.com/news/519382/flavor-flav-debut-pushed-back/ |
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From DT's Facebook:
October 1, 2016 Dear valued Customers, MDR progress is coming along very well. We experienced a 2.5 week delay in order to improve the MDR’s bore obstruction performance to our satisfaction. We are moving into final longevity testing on a much larger batch of pre-production MDR’s to ensure there aren’t any issues with tolerance stacking or other unpredictable part variations. This is critical to ensure large volumes of rifles can quickly be assembled without any fit or function issues. Ultimately we want to ensure that quality products end up in our customer’s hands. We are getting very close and our engineering staff is very excited with our current position. We are still on track to ship the first MDR’s in December. We truly appreciate everyone’s patience and support. Sincerely Nicholas Young CEO, Desert Tech, LLC |
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I love waiting for these updates and then getting the same rhetoric everytime. If it isnt ready it isnt ready but why is there always an ambiguous statement that essentially says nothing? The worst part are the people that applaud DT after these "updates", I dont really feel updated do you?
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Lol- it would take YEARS to catch up to that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This ordeal is heading towards the ARES Shrike debacle. Lol- it would take YEARS to catch up to that. Lmao no shit eh? DT is now what 2 months past due? 3 on the top end....and somehow its an "unmitigated disaster" and apparently the guns are vapourwarr and 3d cardboard cutouts.... |
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Lmao no shit eh? DT is now what 2 months past due? 3 on the top end....and somehow its an "unmitigated disaster" and apparently the guns are vapourwarr and 3d cardboard cutouts.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This ordeal is heading towards the ARES Shrike debacle. Lol- it would take YEARS to catch up to that. Lmao no shit eh? DT is now what 2 months past due? 3 on the top end....and somehow its an "unmitigated disaster" and apparently the guns are vapourwarr and 3d cardboard cutouts.... Try a year late. The original release window for this gun was Q4 2015. |
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Try a year late. The original release window for this gun was Q4 2015. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This ordeal is heading towards the ARES Shrike debacle. Lol- it would take YEARS to catch up to that. Lmao no shit eh? DT is now what 2 months past due? 3 on the top end....and somehow its an "unmitigated disaster" and apparently the guns are vapourwarr and 3d cardboard cutouts.... Try a year late. The original release window for this gun was Q4 2015. Dude that was wishful thinking...they were not taking any pre-orders or money till they announced the june/july release....assuming a late june....were at 3 months and a week+/- |
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Dude that was wishful thinking...they were not taking any pre-orders or money till they announced the june/july release....assuming a late june....were at 3 months and a week+/- View Quote Incorrect. They've been sitting on a massive amount of customer money that originated from the bullpup forum members. |
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Incorrect. They've been sitting on a massive amount of customer money that originated from the bullpup forum members. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Dude that was wishful thinking...they were not taking any pre-orders or money till they announced the june/july release....assuming a late june....were at 3 months and a week+/- Incorrect. They've been sitting on a massive amount of customer money that originated from the bullpup forum members. I wouldn't make that claim...Did Sgt_P send them the group buy money or is the money still in escrow waiting for the guns to be ready? |
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Lmao no shit eh? DT is now what 2 months past due? 3 on the top end....and somehow its an "unmitigated disaster" and apparently the guns are vapourwarr and 3d cardboard cutouts.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This ordeal is heading towards the ARES Shrike debacle. Lol- it would take YEARS to catch up to that. Lmao no shit eh? DT is now what 2 months past due? 3 on the top end....and somehow its an "unmitigated disaster" and apparently the guns are vapourwarr and 3d cardboard cutouts.... This is the internet, specifically ARFcom...the sky is always falling here when things don't go perfectly, and even then the dog pound will find something to complain about. |
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Incorrect. They've been sitting on a massive amount of customer money that originated from the bullpup forum members. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Dude that was wishful thinking...they were not taking any pre-orders or money till they announced the june/july release....assuming a late june....were at 3 months and a week+/- Incorrect. They've been sitting on a massive amount of customer money that originated from the bullpup forum members. Since when? this january when they promised a june/july release? Thats jan this year...the release date isnt past due by more than 3 months....no bullpup was promised as a "firm release date" in q3 2015 Q3 2015 was wishful thinking....when i first put my order in with Oakland tactical it was jan/feb 2015....doesn't mean they missed a deadline since there never was one.... |
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Dude that was wishful thinking...they were not taking any pre-orders or money till they announced the june/july release....assuming a late june....were at 3 months and a week+/- View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This ordeal is heading towards the ARES Shrike debacle. Lol- it would take YEARS to catch up to that. Lmao no shit eh? DT is now what 2 months past due? 3 on the top end....and somehow its an "unmitigated disaster" and apparently the guns are vapourwarr and 3d cardboard cutouts.... Try a year late. The original release window for this gun was Q4 2015. Dude that was wishful thinking...they were not taking any pre-orders or money till they announced the june/july release....assuming a late june....were at 3 months and a week+/- Most gun companies don't take pre-orders, they just release the gun and start selling it. DT is in a small club that hypes their product up for years without actually selling it. From 2014 all the way until this time last year, they were pretty adamant that they'd ship the guns in 2015. |
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Most gun companies don't take pre-orders, they just release the gun and start selling it. DT is in a small club that hypes their product up for years without actually selling it. From 2014 all the way until this time last year, they were pretty adamant that they'd ship the guns in 2015. View Quote Pretty much this. To suggest they are only 2-3 months late is absurd. They've been hyping this product for years now, and said it would be ready a year ago. All I can assume now is that this was a vaporware tactic, to stake the claim and prevent other more capable producers from bothering to release a similar product. One wonders if someone like IWI might have chased a .308 concept if they knew that meanwhile back in the real world, the market space was going to remain served only by the half-ass RDB. But when the whole large-caliber bullpup market went into wait-for-the-MDR because it's going to be sooooooo amazingly awesome and super accurate and left-hand usable, and so reasonably priced; it got a lot harder for others to justify the chase. And here we are, 2 years later after the announcements, and everyone is still waiting for a non-RDB .308 option. Which at this rate, almost certainly won't actually be available before 2017. |
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Pretty much this. To suggest they are only 2-3 months late is absurd. They've been hyping this product for years now, and said it would be ready a year ago. All I can assume now is that this was a vaporware tactic, to stake the claim and prevent other more capable producers from bothering to release a similar product. One wonders if someone like IWI might have chased a .308 concept if they knew that meanwhile back in the real world, the market space was going to remain served only by the half-ass RDB. But when the whole large-caliber bullpup market went into wait-for-the-MDR because it's going to be sooooooo amazingly awesome and super accurate and left-hand usable, and so reasonably priced; it got a lot harder for others to justify the chase. And here we are, 2 years later after the announcements, and everyone is still waiting for a non-RDB .308 option. Which at this rate, almost certainly won't actually be available before 2017. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Most gun companies don't take pre-orders, they just release the gun and start selling it. DT is in a small club that hypes their product up for years without actually selling it. From 2014 all the way until this time last year, they were pretty adamant that they'd ship the guns in 2015. Pretty much this. To suggest they are only 2-3 months late is absurd. They've been hyping this product for years now, and said it would be ready a year ago. All I can assume now is that this was a vaporware tactic, to stake the claim and prevent other more capable producers from bothering to release a similar product. One wonders if someone like IWI might have chased a .308 concept if they knew that meanwhile back in the real world, the market space was going to remain served only by the half-ass RDB. But when the whole large-caliber bullpup market went into wait-for-the-MDR because it's going to be sooooooo amazingly awesome and super accurate and left-hand usable, and so reasonably priced; it got a lot harder for others to justify the chase. And here we are, 2 years later after the announcements, and everyone is still waiting for a non-RDB .308 option. Which at this rate, almost certainly won't actually be available before 2017. You mean RFB... And mine still works just fine, though I wouldn't mind more options and better fit and finish... |
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IWI had mentioned that there might be a .308 Tavor in the works for SHOT show. This was earlier in the year, hard to say if it will happen.
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IWI had mentioned that there might be a .308 Tavor in the works for SHOT show. This was earlier in the year, hard to say if it will happen. But if it does, count me as a buyer. View Quote I bet it happens, but I also bet we only get like two months notice before they hit shelves. |
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Pretty much this. To suggest they are only 2-3 months late is absurd. They've been hyping this product for years now, and said it would be ready a year ago. All I can assume now is that this was a vaporware tactic, to stake the claim and prevent other more capable producers from bothering to release a similar product. One wonders if someone like IWI might have chased a .308 concept if they knew that meanwhile back in the real world, the market space was going to remain served only by the half-ass RDB. But when the whole large-caliber bullpup market went into wait-for-the-MDR because it's going to be sooooooo amazingly awesome and super accurate and left-hand usable, and so reasonably priced; it got a lot harder for others to justify the chase. And here we are, 2 years later after the announcements, and everyone is still waiting for a non-RDB .308 option. Which at this rate, almost certainly won't actually be available before 2017. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Most gun companies don't take pre-orders, they just release the gun and start selling it. DT is in a small club that hypes their product up for years without actually selling it. From 2014 all the way until this time last year, they were pretty adamant that they'd ship the guns in 2015. Pretty much this. To suggest they are only 2-3 months late is absurd. They've been hyping this product for years now, and said it would be ready a year ago. All I can assume now is that this was a vaporware tactic, to stake the claim and prevent other more capable producers from bothering to release a similar product. One wonders if someone like IWI might have chased a .308 concept if they knew that meanwhile back in the real world, the market space was going to remain served only by the half-ass RDB. But when the whole large-caliber bullpup market went into wait-for-the-MDR because it's going to be sooooooo amazingly awesome and super accurate and left-hand usable, and so reasonably priced; it got a lot harder for others to justify the chase. And here we are, 2 years later after the announcements, and everyone is still waiting for a non-RDB .308 option. Which at this rate, almost certainly won't actually be available before 2017. You keep using that term "vapor ware". That term came about because of marketing types selling software that hadn't been written yet. In this case, product exists, but it's not ready for prime time. Still not great, but totally different. |
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You keep using that term "vapor ware". That term came about because of marketing types selling software that hadn't been written yet. In this case, product exists, but it's not ready for prime time. Still not great, but totally different. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Most gun companies don't take pre-orders, they just release the gun and start selling it. DT is in a small club that hypes their product up for years without actually selling it. From 2014 all the way until this time last year, they were pretty adamant that they'd ship the guns in 2015. Pretty much this. To suggest they are only 2-3 months late is absurd. They've been hyping this product for years now, and said it would be ready a year ago. All I can assume now is that this was a vaporware tactic, to stake the claim and prevent other more capable producers from bothering to release a similar product. One wonders if someone like IWI might have chased a .308 concept if they knew that meanwhile back in the real world, the market space was going to remain served only by the half-ass RDB. But when the whole large-caliber bullpup market went into wait-for-the-MDR because it's going to be sooooooo amazingly awesome and super accurate and left-hand usable, and so reasonably priced; it got a lot harder for others to justify the chase. And here we are, 2 years later after the announcements, and everyone is still waiting for a non-RDB .308 option. Which at this rate, almost certainly won't actually be available before 2017. You keep using that term "vapor ware". That term came about because of marketing types selling software that hadn't been written yet. In this case, product exists, but it's not ready for prime time. Still not great, but totally different. What product? A small handful of prototypes isn't "product" They didn't even bring one to the bullpup shoot, and stuck to pimping their bolt guns. |
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What product? A small handful of prototypes isn't "product" They didn't even bring one to the bullpup shoot, and stuck to pimping their bolt guns. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Most gun companies don't take pre-orders, they just release the gun and start selling it. DT is in a small club that hypes their product up for years without actually selling it. From 2014 all the way until this time last year, they were pretty adamant that they'd ship the guns in 2015. Pretty much this. To suggest they are only 2-3 months late is absurd. They've been hyping this product for years now, and said it would be ready a year ago. All I can assume now is that this was a vaporware tactic, to stake the claim and prevent other more capable producers from bothering to release a similar product. One wonders if someone like IWI might have chased a .308 concept if they knew that meanwhile back in the real world, the market space was going to remain served only by the half-ass RDB. But when the whole large-caliber bullpup market went into wait-for-the-MDR because it's going to be sooooooo amazingly awesome and super accurate and left-hand usable, and so reasonably priced; it got a lot harder for others to justify the chase. And here we are, 2 years later after the announcements, and everyone is still waiting for a non-RDB .308 option. Which at this rate, almost certainly won't actually be available before 2017. You keep using that term "vapor ware". That term came about because of marketing types selling software that hadn't been written yet. In this case, product exists, but it's not ready for prime time. Still not great, but totally different. What product? A small handful of prototypes isn't "product" They didn't even bring one to the bullpup shoot, and stuck to pimping their bolt guns. Vapor ware doesn't exist AT ALL. |
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Most gun companies don't take pre-orders, they just release the gun and start selling it. DT is in a small club that hypes their product up for years without actually selling it. From 2014 all the way until this time last year, they were pretty adamant that they'd ship the guns in 2015. Pretty much this. To suggest they are only 2-3 months late is absurd. They've been hyping this product for years now, and said it would be ready a year ago. All I can assume now is that this was a vaporware tactic, to stake the claim and prevent other more capable producers from bothering to release a similar product. One wonders if someone like IWI might have chased a .308 concept if they knew that meanwhile back in the real world, the market space was going to remain served only by the half-ass RDB. But when the whole large-caliber bullpup market went into wait-for-the-MDR because it's going to be sooooooo amazingly awesome and super accurate and left-hand usable, and so reasonably priced; it got a lot harder for others to justify the chase. And here we are, 2 years later after the announcements, and everyone is still waiting for a non-RDB .308 option. Which at this rate, almost certainly won't actually be available before 2017. You keep using that term "vapor ware". That term came about because of marketing types selling software that hadn't been written yet. In this case, product exists, but it's not ready for prime time. Still not great, but totally different. What product? A small handful of prototypes isn't "product" They didn't even bring one to the bullpup shoot, and stuck to pimping their bolt guns. Vapor ware doesn't exist AT ALL. If you spent money on something that still doesn't exist in production form a year later, and you can't physically lay hands on a production example, it's vapor ware. You can argue semantics on it all day but it doesn't change anything. |
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If you spent money on something that still doesn't exist in production form a year later, and you can't physically lay hands on a production example, it's vapor ware. You can argue semantics on it all day but it doesn't change anything. View Quote In this case, yes, I am arguing semantics, because I hate it when my language gets $$&$$$ up by people who mean something else. Go sue Dessert Tech for breach of contract for all I care- just use a more appropriate phrase to describe the situation. |
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http://www.troll.me/images/nigger-jim/that-is-our-word-you-have-no-right-to-use-it.jpg Fine, we'll call it phantom-ware, or dream-ware or somesuch, since you apparently own "vapor-ware®" as IP. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I hate it when my language gets $$&$$$ up by people who mean something else. http://www.troll.me/images/nigger-jim/that-is-our-word-you-have-no-right-to-use-it.jpg Fine, we'll call it phantom-ware, or dream-ware or somesuch, since you apparently own "vapor-ware®" as IP. How about "ghost-machine®"? The fact that they didn't even take one(not even pre-production) to the bullpup shoot but took their bolt action rifles told me all I need to know about their actual release schedule. If they were even close to being ready they would have taken at least one sample to that event. |
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Hate to say it but I would classify it as vaporware also. But you can make up your own definition of a made up word if you want.
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If you spent money on something that still doesn't exist in production form a year later, and you can't physically lay hands on a production example, it's vapor ware. You can argue semantics on it all day but it doesn't change anything. In this case, yes, I am arguing semantics, because I hate it when my language gets $$&$$$ up by people who mean something else. Go sue Dessert Tech for breach of contract for all I care- just use a more appropriate phrase to describe the situation. |
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Hate to say it but I would classify it as vaporware also. But you can make up your own definition of a made up word if you want. va·por·ware 'vap?r?wer/ nounComputinginformal noun: vapourware; noun: vaporware software or hardware that has been advertised but is not yet available to buy, either because it is only a concept or because it is still being written or designed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Hate to say it but I would classify it as vaporware also. But you can make up your own definition of a made up word if you want. va·por·ware 'vap?r?wer/ nounComputinginformal noun: vapourware; noun: vaporware software or hardware that has been advertised but is not yet available to buy, either because it is only a concept or because it is still being written or designed. Quoted:
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If you spent money on something that still doesn't exist in production form a year later, and you can't physically lay hands on a production example, it's vapor ware. You can argue semantics on it all day but it doesn't change anything. In this case, yes, I am arguing semantics, because I hate it when my language gets $$&$$$ up by people who mean something else. Go sue Dessert Tech for breach of contract for all I care- just use a more appropriate phrase to describe the situation. I'd say that fits the description pretty darn well. |
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Shootable prototypes definitely exist and have been seen and shot by journalists. I believe DT has some minor problems with the strength or tolerances of a few production parts and they are delaying release until they get it sorted out. I don't get the story about bore obstruction performance. The barrel and breech lock design should have been designed, simulated, and proof tested very early in design. You can't just double the strength of the barrel or receiver a month before release.
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Shootable prototypes definitely exist and have been seen and shot by journalists. I believe DT has some minor problems with the strength or tolerances of a few production parts and they are delaying release until they get it sorted out. I don't get the story about bore obstruction performance. The barrel and breech lock design should have been designed, simulated, and proof tested very early in design. You can't just double the strength of the barrel or receiver a month before release. View Quote The first time they had a bunch of journalists fire them they were rapid prototype stocks because they hadn't even finalized on design yet. They should have just kept quiet longer. But I guess they got excited and thought it would be an easier project than it ended up being. |
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New update today. Anyone want to guess what it was?
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New update today. Anyone want to guess what it was? Yep. You guessed correctly. Release pushed back again. February 2017. View Quote Where is this posted officially? I found nothing on DT's FB, Twitter, or website blog to indicate anything different from their October 1st announcement. |
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New update today. Anyone want to guess what it was? Yep. You guessed correctly. Release pushed back again. February 2017. Where is this posted officially? I found nothing on DT's FB, Twitter, or website blog to indicate anything different from their October 1st announcement. It's what multiple customers are reporting that their Desert Tech customer account is showing. But you already know this... http://bullpupforum.com/index.php?topic=10423.msg107991#msg107991 My delivery date now says 5 January, 2017.
So much for Q4..... Ugh, I just checked their website and they've moved my release date to February 2017 with a note indicating the delay was caused by the mim part manufacturer labor dispute. Now I'm a little worried. Not because of any delays, but, because the delay has pushed the release date after the new president gets into office. If that's Clinton, then oh boy. my delivery date now says February Wow it seems like we are being buffaloed the latest update that is suppose to keep us in the loop "We are getting very close and our engineering staff is very excited with our current position. We are still on track to ship the first MDR’s in December." to me that sounds like 2015 all over again i wonder if we will get a picture of santa at the christmas tree with the unicorn rifle in tow. DT has been excited about their current position for years and i don't see that changing. The MDR is going to be the nail in the desert tech coffin as we all get screwed out of our Pre payment (silent investors we are) The Next Desert tech update will be CHAPTER 7 |
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When DT announces publicly that the date has been pushed back, then I'll accept it. Given the probable size of the pre-order, I think they're probably just pushing it back as a matter of course. A week earlier we were told beginning of December.
Either way, mine's paid for. And for the people that are getting on DT's case because of the delays, all I can say is if you think you can produce a better product with similar features, from the ground up, in less time, and with similar or better performance, go for it. Show us what you've got...build a better mousetrap and put it on the market. |
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I can't say that I am surprised sadly given the lack of any rifles being shown in public lately.
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And for the people that are getting on DT's case because of the delays, all I can say is if you think you can produce a better product with similar features, from the ground up, in less time, and with similar or better performance, go for it. Show us what you've got...build a better mousetrap and put it on the market. View Quote I'm sorry, but this kind of attitude blows my mind. The company made the promises and also came up with the ship dates. This shit show is on them. Always under promise and over deliver, or you end up in situations like this. I am also on the GB, but this is starting to piss me off. Quit moving the target DT! Figure out where you realistically are and be honest about it. Also, don't threaten people with large restocking fees for an item that you aren't delivering on the promised date. |
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And for the people that are getting on DT's case because of the delays, all I can say is if you think you can produce a better product with similar features, from the ground up, in less time, and with similar or better performance, go for it. Show us what you've got...build a better mousetrap and put it on the market. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
And for the people that are getting on DT's case because of the delays, all I can say is if you think you can produce a better product with similar features, from the ground up, in less time, and with similar or better performance, go for it. Show us what you've got...build a better mousetrap and put it on the market. This has nothing to do with building a better mousetrap, and everything to do with doing good business with consumers. I don't think anybody doubts the MDR will be a great rifle when it comes out, but they have failed to meet definite dates repeatedly, not even counting the original ballpark dates from the announcement in 2014. I get that setting up manufacturing takes time, but they've had these prototypes that nobody outside of a small group of journalists can shoot for years. I mean, they really wanted us to believe they would launch this year when they didn't have a demo model available in September? Maybe they should have been further along the design process before they showed off their "next big thing." They have created this PR problem for themselves. Quoted:
I'm sorry, but this kind of attitude blows my mind. The company made the promises and also came up with the ship dates. This shit show is on them. Always under promise and over deliver, or you end up in situations like this. I am also on the GB, but this is starting to piss me off. Quit moving the target DT! Figure out where you realistically are and be honest about it. Also, don't threaten people with large restocking fees for an item that you aren't delivering on the promised date. Charging restocking fees for rifles that explicitly have not been constructed yet. |
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I've been pretty dang patient about this whole thing but this crap of committing to firm time frames for release and then repeatedly failing to meet them is getting old. The can I bought to put on this rifle was approved a couple weeks ago while its will-be host is still getting the bugs worked out. That is pretty crazy given the ludicrous wait times for NFA items currently. The can will have to find use on other guns until such a time when the MDR finally materializes.
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So I check the site regularly and since preorder earlier this year it has changed twice. Once awhile after we won't make 3rd quarter notice to November and then now to February but this isn't another push back it's the system being updated from the last one. That said some have Jan times and the group but I believe is ahead of preorders from the dt site so they may get them this year
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This has nothing to do with building a better mousetrap, and everything to do with doing good business with consumers. I don't think anybody doubts the MDR will be a great rifle when it comes out, but they have failed to meet definite dates repeatedly, not even counting the original ballpark dates from the announcement in 2014. I get that setting up manufacturing takes time, but they've had these prototypes that nobody outside of a small group of journalists can shoot for years. I mean, they really wanted us to believe they would launch this year when they didn't have a demo model available in September? Maybe they should have been further along the design process before they showed off their "next big thing." They have created this PR problem for themselves. Charging restocking fees for rifles that explicitly have not been constructed yet. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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And for the people that are getting on DT's case because of the delays, all I can say is if you think you can produce a better product with similar features, from the ground up, in less time, and with similar or better performance, go for it. Show us what you've got...build a better mousetrap and put it on the market. This has nothing to do with building a better mousetrap, and everything to do with doing good business with consumers. I don't think anybody doubts the MDR will be a great rifle when it comes out, but they have failed to meet definite dates repeatedly, not even counting the original ballpark dates from the announcement in 2014. I get that setting up manufacturing takes time, but they've had these prototypes that nobody outside of a small group of journalists can shoot for years. I mean, they really wanted us to believe they would launch this year when they didn't have a demo model available in September? Maybe they should have been further along the design process before they showed off their "next big thing." They have created this PR problem for themselves. Quoted:
I'm sorry, but this kind of attitude blows my mind. The company made the promises and also came up with the ship dates. This shit show is on them. Always under promise and over deliver, or you end up in situations like this. I am also on the GB, but this is starting to piss me off. Quit moving the target DT! Figure out where you realistically are and be honest about it. Also, don't threaten people with large restocking fees for an item that you aren't delivering on the promised date. Charging restocking fees for rifles that explicitly have not been constructed yet. Yea that is annoying. It's 10% or 200 so out you right at the x95 lol |
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Perhaps, but if they ever show up and work right I'll certainly buy one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Va-por-ware Perhaps, but if they ever show up and work right I'll certainly buy one. I think I'll wait for a while too. I do still want one, but the group buy thing was getting dragged out a lot. I could use that money elsewhere right now, but I'll definitely keep an eye one what everyone thinks when it comes out. |
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I say vaporware only because we've all been through this before, but I'll be the first to buy one if they do come out. I stopped short of giving them money up front and just put my name in with my LGS. If it comes great if not no harm.
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