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Posted: 8/16/2017 7:18:22 PM EDT
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+1 in for pics and impressions. Also looking forward to getting an email from the group buy! |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 7:54:45 PM EDT
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Me too. I am a little put off by how the group buy has been handled. I emailed and texted twice, the second asking about getting a refund and getting out, but never received a response. I didn't so much want out as just an update of some kind. I don't think an update during that 18 month period was asking for too much, especially since we were promised one on multiple occasions. Oh well, I'll be happy if we get our rifles in a reasonable amount of time now that they are supposedly shipping. eta: honest question, I am not associated with it. |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 9:45:20 PM EDT
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I got a hold of DT today, twice. The first time I spoke to a Jeremy he said he'd check on what's going on and call me back. 2 hours later I got a hold of Andrew, again. Jeremy was at lunch and he didn't know when he would be back. Andrew offered to "walk over to accounting" if i would hold. I did. Accounting has started processing my request and will probably issue a check sometime next week. I called my CC and started the dispute. Desert Tech has held on to my money since January 19th, 2016 and is now not refunding it. They first said it may take 30 days to refund. Then they said they won't process the refund for 30 days, now after more than 30 days they still haven't started the refund process. When asked they said today they will send the check maybe next week. This company took less than an hour to take my money, and after more than a month of waiting won't return it. Feel free to share this FA |
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Posted: 8/17/2017 11:33:22 AM EDT
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In hindsight, was there any benefit to the group buy? eta: honest question, I am not associated with it. |
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Posted: 8/17/2017 4:18:41 PM EDT
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Not sure at this point. As of now, the answer would be no. If I get the rifle fairly quickly, maybe. A little communication, even if there isn't any news, goes a long way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In hindsight, was there any benefit to the group buy? eta: honest question, I am not associated with it. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 8/17/2017 7:01:46 PM EDT
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I pulled out of the group buy in October of 16, finally got my money in late January of 17.
I'm glad I did too, the MDR doesn't really have any appeal to me amymore. It's neat and I can appreciate the innovation, but I'm heading in a different direction. A much longer range direction. |
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Posted: 8/17/2017 7:06:45 PM EDT
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Which group buy were you in on? |
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Posted: 8/17/2017 7:10:11 PM EDT
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Day 630!
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Posted: 8/17/2017 7:33:06 PM EDT
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The BPF one...i'll be interested to see what happens with it. |
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Posted: 8/17/2017 9:09:04 PM EDT
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Called Oakland today. They said they got a few black ones in but no FDE. Next week.
I was hoping to have it for my birthday tomorrow but I guess it wasn't meant to be. |
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Posted: 8/17/2017 10:10:55 PM EDT
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Was this the BPF group buy? Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:32:01 AM EDT
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Day 630! |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:33:28 AM EDT
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In hindsight, was there any benefit to the group buy? eta: honest question, I am not associated with it. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 7:20:24 AM EDT
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Group buy price was a discount from MSRP I pulled out of the BPF group buy about 1 week in so I haven't gone through the ups and downs that all of you with pre-orders have. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 1:03:20 PM EDT
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Was it though? Or was it just the MSRP price BEFORE they raised it? I pulled out of the BPF group buy about 1 week in so I haven't gone through the ups and downs that all of you with pre-orders have. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:30:39 PM EDT
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Was it though? Or was it just the MSRP price BEFORE they raised it? I pulled out of the BPF group buy about 1 week in so I haven't gone through the ups and downs that all of you with pre-orders have. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Group buy price was a discount from MSRP I pulled out of the BPF group buy about 1 week in so I haven't gone through the ups and downs that all of you with pre-orders have. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 1:11:14 AM EDT
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So far I've seen a couple pics in the hands of dealers, and I've seen the pic of "the first guy to get one" also at a dealer. But I've yet to see a "finally got my MDR!" from a regular guy with the standard pic of a gun on the carpet with his feet in the picture.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 1:29:54 AM EDT
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So far I've seen a couple pics in the hands of dealers, and I've seen the pic of "the first guy to get one" also at a dealer. But I've yet to see a "finally got my MDR!" from a regular guy with the standard pic of a gun on the carpet with his feet in the picture. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 9:09:22 AM EDT
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Go over to the Bullpup Forum. One of the posters there received his yesterday and has posted pics and a brief review. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:43:07 AM EDT
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so in the time they said they started shipping there are 2 reports of guns received
At this rate in 48 years the groups buys will have all there guns. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:15:49 AM EDT
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http://bullpupforum.com/index.php?topic=12202.0
My new mdr pictures. Can't post it with photobucket anymore so here's the link. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 2:40:35 PM EDT
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http://bullpupforum.com/index.php?topic=12202.0 My new mdr pictures. Can't post it with photobucket anymore so here's the link. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:28:27 PM EDT
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Man down.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:56:32 PM EDT
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And in related news:
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:17:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:25:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryCan you share any more info with us?
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:27:11 PM EDT
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Can you share any more info with us? hopefully i'm allowed to share here: "Hi, Everyone, I broke my MDR barrel lock screw. I just want everyone to be aware about it. I wonder if it is unacceptable for a such a critical part, and it could be a concern for all end users. I just emailed DT, Jon and Sgt_p about it, as such ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good afternoon, Everyone, I'd like to report first casualty of my MDR bought it through Bullpupforum.com Group Buy. It seems to be very minor. With great excitement, It happened when i tried to install the barrel all in a quick fashion while the barrel not really sitting tightly at the very end. I broke the barrel lock screw, and to my surprise, if it had been real metal screw, it would not have happened. Please advise as how to proceed to remedy this problem as it may happen to many end users." |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:39:15 PM EDT
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Lol wow
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:09:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDamn that was FAST.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:21:00 PM EDT
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Well when he places his order for some more pmags he should add this to his cart....
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:41:30 PM EDT
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Quote Historybroke the barrel lock screw 
Hope he's not down for the infinite 2 weeks while they get him a special screw. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:45:05 PM EDT
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You guys should go over to DU and talk guns...
Your knowledge is on par... |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:50:52 PM EDT
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You guys should go over to DU and talk guns... Your knowledge is on par... |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:04:32 PM EDT
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Go on... 
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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:14:33 PM EDT
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You don't need a torque wrench....
you don't even really need the lock... Some JA gets his new toy, fucks it up, cause he doesn't know what he's doing. Post's a pic and an explanation on another forum. A fleeser cross post's the pic from that forum with no explanation, and you guy's pile on like liberals after a mass shooting... Clearly this rifle isn't for you... Move along. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:43:49 PM EDT
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You don't need a torque wrench.... you don't even really need the lock... Some JA gets his new toy, fucks it up, cause he doesn't know what he's doing. Post's a pic and an explanation on another forum. A fleeser cross post's the pic from that forum with no explanation, and you guy's pile on like liberals after a mass shooting... Clearly this rifle isn't for you... Move along. p.s. oh never mind i didn't post the pic so i'm not the fleeser I guess i just cross posted the post from the user explaining what happened so people in this forum wouldn't jump to conclusions. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 9:10:07 PM EDT
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Wow talk about jumping to conclusions... I'm a fleeser huh? I've been in on the group buy on the bullpup forum myself for a long time I'm eagerly awaiting this rifle. I'll remind you this a tech thread and I posted for tech reasons. Take your butt hurt somewhere else troll. p.s. oh never mind i didn't post the pic so i'm not the fleeser I guess i just cross posted the post from the user explaining what happened so people in this forum wouldn't jump to conclusions. And still post inaccurate info.... |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 9:13:50 PM EDT
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How embarrassing for everyone involved. Guess he shoulda paid $150 extra for the special torque wrench that you don't really need to assemble the rifle
Hope he's not down for the infinite 2 weeks while they get him a special screw. What are the screws made of? Looks like an ordinary socket head screw that has had part of the head turned down, might be easy to duplicate. Looks like there's interference between the frame and the screw, recessed, maybe owner was trying to back out the screw? |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 9:37:43 PM EDT
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If it's like the srs, which it looks to be the 2 screws to the left actually clamp the barrel in and are torqued. That screw is actually an eccentric. The barrel can be slid in in the unlock position. When the barrel is seated the screw comes around against a radius on the barrel and will hold it from slipping out even if the actual clamping screws aren't tight. It's not necessary to lock it but if it won't lock then the barrel may not be in all the way.
Anyone with a simple understanding of how the system works or some mechanical knowledge would know not to force that screw.  I know there are a lot of idiots out there though.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 9:41:55 PM EDT
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It looks like maybe the head is turned down on the locking screw because of close bolt spacing. This.would make the head weaker. Maybe this screw is the cam locking screw that locks the barrel into position before the other two are tightened to squeeze the block closed. Obvious fix is a smaller hex screw with the same size threads and head. That would make the head stronger. I dont know if a smaller hex would suit the amount of torque needed to lock the cam into position.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:03:13 PM EDT
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If it's like the srs, which it looks to be the 2 screws to the left actually clamp the barrel in and are torqued. That screw is actually an eccentric. The barrel can be slid in in the unlock position. When the barrel is seated the screw comes around against a radius on the barrel and will hold it from slipping out even if the actual clamping screws aren't tight. It's not necessary to lock it but if it won't lock then the barrel may not be in all the way. Anyone with a simple understanding of how the system works or some mechanical knowledge would know not to force that screw. I know there are a lot of idiots out there though. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:41:57 PM EDT
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There's a you tube video from Desert Tech that shows how the system works, maybe someone can link it.
 Desert Tech MDR Q&A Barrel Block | Desert Tech |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 2:28:23 AM EDT
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So could it be the screws are meant to be a failure point so in the case the user tried to put it together wrong the screw breaks instead of damaging something more expensive?
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Posted: 8/24/2017 6:47:39 AM EDT
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I've gotta say with how easy the hand guard seems to pop loose I'm still worried about if it will hold zero for a dbal.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 7:49:56 AM EDT
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So could it be the screws are meant to be a failure point so in the case the user tried to put it together wrong the screw breaks instead of damaging something more expensive? |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:17:48 AM EDT
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edit: never mind found it on BFP hopefully i'm allowed to share here: "Hi, Everyone, I broke my MDR barrel lock screw. I just want everyone to be aware about it. I wonder if it is unacceptable for a such a critical part, and it could be a concern for all end users. I just emailed DT, Jon and Sgt_p about it, as such ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good afternoon, Everyone, I'd like to report first casualty of my MDR bought it through Bullpupforum.com Group Buy. It seems to be very minor. With great excitement, It happened when i tried to install the barrel all in a quick fashion while the barrel not really sitting tightly at the very end. I broke the barrel lock screw, and to my surprise, if it had been real metal screw, it would not have happened. Please advise as how to proceed to remedy this problem as it may happen to many end users." |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:51:19 AM EDT
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<I say this while acknowledging the thread is already back on track here... I caught this a bit late.
It's a good time to remind everyone the COC for tech forums is still in effect. Drive-by dismissive or backhanded insults, snark, much less overt and direct attacks and demeaning sarcasm are not allowed. If you think someone is wrong or off-base, take the time to politely lay out a factual or logical argument as to why you think so. Some have argued/complained in the past that any threads carping about availability problems, or the quality/trustworthiness of a business are "non tech", however I think that's unfair, as it's hard to be "tech" about something you can't even get your hands on. I want to allow as many threads to continue here as possible as long as they're related to bullpups, and is kept polite and factual. However, just like how tech issues should have some tech facts, content, questions, or ideas behind them, commenting on a business should be as fact-based as possible, and not delve into personal attacks, second-hand rumors and scuttlebutt. As an example: "Joe Blow at company XYZ never returned my calls or emails, and never shipped my parts..." is acceptable. "Joe Blow at company XYZ is an asshole, and everybody knows it, and there's a ton of stories of him fighting with people at gunshows.." is not. "Company ABC promised a delivery date of Q3 2016 at SHOT, and here we are in 2017.." is acceptable. "Company ABC is a bunch of crooks and liars." is not. Thanks everyone. Overall we do a good job here in Bullpups, there's sometimes issues in other tech forums, trolling, people getting banned from them etc. that we just don't have here. AJ> |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 8:03:14 PM EDT
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Looks like a case of RTFM to me. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:37:35 PM EDT
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Picked up my FDE MDR from EuroOptics today. I'm hoping to shoot it this weekend.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:45:02 PM EDT
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Hopefully Oakland will ship mine tomorrow. I had thought about getting it overnighted but then there's this damn hurricane coming in tomorrow.....
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