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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:57:57 PM EDT
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Hehe. So predictable.
Just an FYI our local district attorney can and does get criminal convictions on cases very similar to this. False promises, lies, and straight up theft. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 2:16:49 PM EDT
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"Dear valued customers, We had some MDR parts come in out of specification which have to been send back for rework. The rework is expected to complete sometime between June 10 and June 23. So yes the MDR shipments are delayed again. We know this is another delay that everyone is tired of hearing about but I promised you that you would have the latest information every month so that is where we are at. Sincerely Nicholas Young" They needed to make an announcement ahead of this announcement why again? With updates this lame and poorly written why in the world do they need to wait for a specified time to drop this information? Waiting until the 1st to post a message this lame is retarded to say the least. Particularly when you calculate in the fact that they were supposed to be shipping 1-2 weeks ago. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 2:52:46 PM EDT
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So now the delays don't even come out on time!? Ejecting, 6.5 creedmoor AR here I come.
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Posted: 6/2/2017 5:23:40 PM EDT
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So now the delays don't even come out on time!? Ejecting, 6.5 creedmoor AR here I come. 
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Posted: 6/2/2017 6:49:42 PM EDT
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Hehe. So predictable. Just an FYI our local district attorney can and does get criminal convictions on cases very similar to this. False promises, lies, and straight up theft. Show me where the theft is; no one who has a pre-order through DT has been denied a refund. As for the other, it's a new product and can be explained by over zealous predictions and projections. Next. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 9:19:02 PM EDT
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Talked to a local fun store guy and got an interesting tale.
This is a new store for me, and the guys seem pretty okay. The topic of the MDR came up and I joked how I'll retire before they have one on their shelves... and he looked puzzled... he then turned to another guy and said "I thought we were supposed to be getting one of those in soon, like last week right?" I giggled and then the other guy replied um, yeah it was held up should be here in a week or so..." I laughed and said I read the Posts as well. Again the guy looked confused... Then thinking that they are either pulling my leg or its an inside joke. I laughed about how they can't even recieve the rifles as they aren't a "stocking dealer". Thats when he said, we got a shipment notice... and my I looked like I was hit with an idiot stick. After a couple more WTFs? The second guy says to the first, that it's not a rifle for sale that the guy is just doing pics or something for a magazine... I almost lost my shit... all this pre-order BS and some random guy was getting one shipped too him?! Until the whole he''s a reviewer or media person came out. Lol Not sure this means anything other than their might be a new article out about the MDR or cool guy photos soon. FA |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 9:51:12 PM EDT
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Talked to a local fun store guy and got an interesting tale. This is a new store for me, and the guys seem pretty okay. The topic of the MDR came up and I joked how I'll retire before they have one on their shelves... and he looked puzzled... he then turned to another guy and said "I thought we were supposed to be getting one of those in soon, like last week right?" I giggled and then the other guy replied um, yeah it was held up should be here in a week or so..." I laughed and said I read the Posts as well. Again the guy looked confused... Then thinking that they are either pulling my leg or its an inside joke. I laughed about how they can't even recieve the rifles as they aren't a "stocking dealer". Thats when he said, we got a shipment notice... and my I looked like I was hit with an idiot stick. After a couple more WTFs? The second guy says to the first, that it's not a rifle for sale that the guy is just doing pics or something for a magazine... I almost lost my shit... all this pre-order BS and some random guy was getting one shipped too him?! Until the whole he''s a reviewer or media person came out. Lol Not sure this means anything other than their might be a new article out about the MDR or cool guy photos soon. FA I'm sure it will be out eventually. I'm of the opinion that DT has been full of shit the whole time about how far along they are in development which is why they have the constant "ugh two weeks then ugh if anythings wrong we will tell you." Then they know they will miss the deadline don't do a update and are often then late on the next months update because it would just be another sorry excuse so why rush it? They've been full of it so long they could never admit as much and save face so more dumb excuses. I think in 2016 when they said they were starting production they actually meant pre production prototypes that weren't as handmade as the original prototypes. I think the original deadline for this year is when they started making production model prototypes and the delays now are while they find and squash problems with that. Wild ass guess I'd imagine them shipping October, November this year or early next. If they miss that then I'd lend some credence to the OMG they are going bankrupt speculation instead of taking it as wild speculation. Of course that's just speculation on my part and I could be wrong. But Occam's razor and their history of being less than honest... well I don't take DT's Lemony MDR Snickets a series of unfortunate updates story at face value. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 10:09:15 PM EDT
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This shit reminds me of Black Horse Arsenal.
Anyone remember that one? |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 10:42:25 PM EDT
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Well bully for him. Show me where the theft is; no one who has a pre-order through DT has been denied a refund. As for the other, it's a new product and can be explained by over zealous predictions and projections. Next. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hehe. So predictable. Just an FYI our local district attorney can and does get criminal convictions on cases very similar to this. False promises, lies, and straight up theft. Show me where the theft is; no one who has a pre-order through DT has been denied a refund. As for the other, it's a new product and can be explained by over zealous predictions and projections. Next.  I've had a pre-paid order pending for over one year. Maybe Norinco982 can explain to me what theft has occurred, from whom, and by whom.  Again, that must be one corrupt District Attorney Norinco982 has or he's a big dumbass for a District Attorney that doesn't understand criminal laws and procedures.
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Posted: 6/3/2017 2:29:01 PM EDT
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And people were giving me grief back around the middle of this thread when I said this was heading in the direction of the Ares Shrike. The defenders have been whittled down to almost nothing now.
Glad I bought my AUG. |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 3:25:26 PM EDT
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Supporters are def. loosing numbers fast.
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Posted: 6/3/2017 4:00:24 PM EDT
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Supporters are def. loosing numbers fast. |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 4:21:39 PM EDT
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HAHA. Thanks. Many think I bash the MDR (I actually really like the design)...I am really just disappointed with DT's leadership (if you can call it that) by the way they are running this project. DT's behavior that they have shown regarding the MDR project is nothing but a classic case of a failing project when you start to connect the dots.
As a cherry on the top to yesterday's delay announcement, now if you add the MDR in the cart on DT's website...it asks you if you want a $145 torque wrench required for assembly. So indirectly...they have increased the price of the rifle now again by $145. I wonder if they will include those for the people that have preorder at the old price for free or if they will make them purchase it. Can't make this incompetency up at all. |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 4:43:24 PM EDT
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$145 for a torque wrench? Yikes. You can buy a genuine 3/8" drive Wera torque wrench direct from Germany for under $100 Euro shipped.
My LMT MRP came with a free torque wrench. In the off chance that you would like to buy that same torque wrench from LMT, it's $80 and comes with a torx bit, rail covers, sling, and 2 QD swivels. $145 
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Posted: 6/3/2017 5:30:25 PM EDT
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HAHA. Thanks. Many think I bash the MDR (I actually really like the design)...I am really just disappointed with DT's leadership (if you can call it that) by the way they are running this project. DT's behavior that they have shown regarding the MDR project is nothing but a classic case of a failing project when you start to connect the dots. As a cherry on the top to yesterday's delay announcement, now if you add the MDR in the cart on DT's website...it asks you if you want a $145 torque wrench required for assembly. So indirectly...they have increased the price of the rifle now again by $145. I wonder if they will include those for the people that have preorder at the old price for free or if they will make them purchase it. Can't make this incompetency up at all. Edit: found the video yes it comes dissasembled in its box. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MDn_Gp2QWss |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 5:33:01 PM EDT
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$145 for a torque wrench? Yikes. You can buy a genuine 3/8" drive Wera torque wrench direct from Germany for under $100 Euro shipped. My LMT MRP came with a free torque wrench. In the off chance that you would like to buy that same torque wrench from LMT, it's $80 and comes with a torx bit, rail covers, sling, and 2 QD swivels. $145 
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Posted: 6/3/2017 5:45:42 PM EDT
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$145 for a torque wrench? Yikes. You can buy a genuine 3/8" drive Wera torque wrench direct from Germany for under $100 Euro shipped. My LMT MRP came with a free torque wrench. In the off chance that you would like to buy that same torque wrench from LMT, it's $80 and comes with a torx bit, rail covers, sling, and 2 QD swivels. $145 I have a Seekonk fixed 80 in/lb T handle for my SRS, it ran about $100 direct from Seekonk. Not sure what the big deal is... |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 7:50:08 PM EDT
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Fix It Stix in a field kit. Although Fix It Stix doesn't offer a 80 in/lb limiter on their site so they might be special made for DT by Fix It Stix. They are selling their field kits for $112. I have a Seekonk fixed 80 in/lb T handle for my SRS, it ran about $100 direct from Seekonk. Not sure what the big deal is... |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 7:51:48 PM EDT
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Not sure what the big deal is... |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 8:18:20 PM EDT
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Fuck, I bought a $2100 dollar GenII razor, it needs torqued in its rings then the rings need torqued to the rifle. That's before the $1250 Bighorn action was torqued into the $800 dollar stock. Guess how many companies ( ie Bighorn, Vortex or XLR) provided a free torque wrench...
You guys are unreal. |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 8:44:03 PM EDT
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The problem is that this wasn't announced as a requirement until just now (really it wasn't announced but it was in place prior to the bright CEOs announcement yesterday).
If you use a little logic. This is an artificial price increase for the gun. They are saving labor cost from not doing final assembly and proof testing. Saves ammunition from not having to test functionality. The MDR (as well as other DT rifles now) makes it a requirement for the end user to perform final assembly of the MDR while keeping the MSRP the same and making you purchase a $145 part. I wonder how the warranty will be written now because the liability of final assembly of the rifle falls on the owner/dealer. Wonder what will happen if you use a non-DT approved tq wrench. These are just questions to be had. Just because I am not drinking the DT koolaid, does not mean I am wrong raising questions and voicing concerns. It is like buying a high end scope and you having to do final assembly on the objective lens with a DIY nitrogen purge kit that you have to use before the scope is functional but it is required you have to spend money to make that happen. It just doesn't make sense. |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 9:01:08 PM EDT
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Fuck, I bought a $2100 dollar GenII razor, it needs torqued in its rings then the rings need torqued to the rifle. That's before the $1250 Bighorn action was torqued into the $800 dollar stock. Guess how many companies ( ie Bighorn, Vortex or XLR) provided a free torque wrench... You guys are unreal. |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 9:08:27 PM EDT
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It doesn't even come assembled? End user needs a torque wrench for assembly...lol.
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Posted: 6/3/2017 9:11:27 PM EDT
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Fuck, I bought a $2100 dollar GenII razor, it needs torqued in its rings then the rings need torqued to the rifle. That's before the $1250 Bighorn action was torqued into the $800 dollar stock. Guess how many companies ( ie Bighorn, Vortex or XLR) provided a free torque wrench... You guys are unreal. The torque wrench for my AI was under $50 and is only needed if/when I go to change barrels which could be 5000+ rounds from now. |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 9:47:07 PM EDT
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Meh, just more stuff for Kurt to defend. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure what the big deal is... |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 9:56:54 PM EDT
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Why should I even bother...you all seem to enjoy jumping to conclusions, so have at it. |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 10:01:14 PM EDT
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Hey bud. Thats not the same thing. Duck tape is an option... |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 10:05:39 PM EDT
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My AI AT has quick change barrels and came ready to shoot. Factory built firearms should come ready to shoot. Your example is a custom rifle and is completely apples to oranges. The torque wrench for my AI was under $50 and is only needed if/when I go to change barrels which could be 5000+ rounds from now. |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 10:26:28 PM EDT
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^^^AI assembles the rifles from factory COMPLETE and a wrench is only needed if you are doing a barrel change.
The other question as well is how will DT honor warranties since you are the final assembler of the rifle not DT. What if you use an unapproved wrench? Stop trying to flavor this like its a positive move man. Because it is not. DT did not advertise this as a "kit" where final assembly is required by the end-user. |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 10:29:30 PM EDT
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I'd assume the torque wrench thing is for pulling/replacing barrels. Surely it comes assembled in the first place...right??...
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Posted: 6/3/2017 10:43:31 PM EDT
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-Pictures of the case the rifle will ship in were out about January, rifle broken down.
-Knew for years the barrel change process was going to be on the lines of the SRS barrel change system which requires a torque wrench for consistency. -If you people are that obtuse, you should run not walk away.... spare the AI complete rifle BS. The 308 barrels they come with are sitting in the corner of the safe, just like the 308 barrel my SRS came with. SAC 6.5 Creedmoor barrel installed. |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 11:13:01 PM EDT
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I'd assume the torque wrench thing is for pulling/replacing barrels. Surely it comes assembled in the first place...right??... Sounds like the torque wrench just makes it so you can remove and replace the barrel without POI shift. So if you just take it out of the box assemble it and never use the case it came in again its probably not a huge deal. But it stinks of nickle and diming your customers. It reminds me of video games that have the future expanded content already in the original files and latter sell in essence a file that unlocks those as a paid DLC. It's a shitty business practice in my opinion. |
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Posted: 6/4/2017 9:53:42 AM EDT
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Wouldn't be surprised if that once the MDR comes out, and if it's decent, many of the haters will be tripping over themselves to get one.
No dog in this fight since I'm not in the market for one, but it's funny how many people say they won't buy for some company because of their practices (Sig, HK, etc.), but then have to be the first to get the latest new thing from said company. |
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Posted: 6/4/2017 10:33:15 AM EDT
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Wouldn't be surprised if that once the MDR comes out, and if it's decent, many of the haters will be tripping over themselves to get one. No dog in this fight since I'm not in the market for one, but it's funny how many people say they won't buy for some company because of their practices (Sig, HK, etc.), but then have to be the first to get the latest new thing from said company. You are slapping a label on those of us calling DT's actions for what they are. We all want it to succeed, but some of you feel they havent done any wrong. If it does release in any respectable quantity of course we will buy it, that is afterall why we care about the delays. I sure wish you guys were college professors. John Doe got straight "A's" two years ago but recently hasn't turned in a single assignment for the past 4 semesters. Here's a scenario: Well rather than hold him accountable for turning into an unaccountable student it makes much more sense that we grade him based off his past performance. Keep giving him extensions and extensions becase you just know it will be an "A" when he does. Nevermind the fact that he hasnt been working on any of it and has in fact moved off campus and gotten a girl pregnant.
EtA: Im just showing how that behavior would be in the real world. Yet so many of you would be okay with that? I really dont think you would be, so lets take our blinders off and stop worshipping the MDR to the point that we expect no integrity back from DT. Hopefully it will live up to expectations but at the end of the day it's just going to be another gun. |
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Posted: 6/4/2017 2:30:57 PM EDT
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This whole hater term is ridiculous. You are slapping a label on those of us calling DT's actions for what they are. We all want it to succeed, but some of you feel they havent done any wrong. If it does release in any respectable quantity of course we will buy it, that is afterall why we care about the delays. I sure wish you guys were college professors. John Doe got straight "A's" two years ago but recently hasn't turned in a single assignment for the past 4 semesters. Here's a scenario: Well rather than hold him accountable for turning into an unaccountable student it makes much more sense that we grade him based off his past performance. Keep giving him extensions and extensions becase you just know it will be an "A" when he does. Nevermind the fact that he hasnt been working on any of it and has in fact moved off campus and gotten a girl pregnant.
EtA: Im just showing how that behavior would be in the real world. Yet so many of you would be okay with that? I really dont think you would be, so lets take our blinders off and stop worshipping the MDR to the point that we expect no integrity back from DT. Hopefully it will live up to expectations but at the end of the day it's just going to be another gun. In short i'm excited to see the MDR if/when it comes out. I just find myself staggered how a small company with a good reputation has continually soiled itself and sullied it's own name in the gun industry by not having as clue on how to market itself or treat their potential customer base. |
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Posted: 6/4/2017 2:56:47 PM EDT
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Pretty much this. I'm not hating on the MDR i appreciate that new things take time to develop and engineer. What I dislike is the constant Call of Duty style marketing, poorly written excuses, banning people that cast doubts from their facebook page and the constant (excuse my language here) cock teases of "it'll be released" next month, followed by further delays that they then blame vendors for. This is all after they have posted videos about their state of the art manufacturing facility that they made just for the MDR. In short i'm excited to see the MDR if/when it comes out. I just find myself staggered how a small company with a good reputation has continually soiled itself and sullied it's own name in the gun industry by not having as clue on how to market itself or treat their potential customer base. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This whole hater term is ridiculous. You are slapping a label on those of us calling DT's actions for what they are. We all want it to succeed, but some of you feel they havent done any wrong. If it does release in any respectable quantity of course we will buy it, that is afterall why we care about the delays. I sure wish you guys were college professors. John Doe got straight "A's" two years ago but recently hasn't turned in a single assignment for the past 4 semesters. Here's a scenario: Well rather than hold him accountable for turning into an unaccountable student it makes much more sense that we grade him based off his past performance. Keep giving him extensions and extensions becase you just know it will be an "A" when he does. Nevermind the fact that he hasnt been working on any of it and has in fact moved off campus and gotten a girl pregnant.
EtA: Im just showing how that behavior would be in the real world. Yet so many of you would be okay with that? I really dont think you would be, so lets take our blinders off and stop worshipping the MDR to the point that we expect no integrity back from DT. Hopefully it will live up to expectations but at the end of the day it's just going to be another gun. In short i'm excited to see the MDR if/when it comes out. I just find myself staggered how a small company with a good reputation has continually soiled itself and sullied it's own name in the gun industry by not having as clue on how to market itself or treat their potential customer base. |
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Posted: 6/4/2017 3:54:03 PM EDT
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Wouldn't be surprised if that once the MDR comes out, and if it's decent, many of the haters will be tripping over themselves to get one. No dog in this fight since I'm not in the market for one, but it's funny how many people say they won't buy for some company because of their practices (Sig, HK, etc.), but then have to be the first to get the latest new thing from said company. |
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Posted: 6/4/2017 11:13:54 PM EDT
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They should just sell the design to Bushmaster....
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Posted: 6/5/2017 9:47:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/5/2017 5:59:17 PM EDT
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MDR's ready to ship:
Everything is ready. Just waiting on IWI can do it. Steyr can do it. Desert Tech [crickets]... |
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Posted: 6/6/2017 8:53:21 AM EDT
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Maleante that picture makes me want to add another to my collection!
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Posted: 6/6/2017 4:25:02 PM EDT
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My ship date says 5/31!
lol
I am a little disappointedifferent how they've handle this whole affair. I'm still waiting tho. I am not going to be happy if I have to do final assembly of a factory rifle tbh. I have built a couple rifles and don't mind it. I just don't want to be the guy that has to call them and say my rifle doesn't work. I know what the first thing they are going to say is... "did you torque it to "x lbs" with the DT wrench?" Of course I'll say no, I used my wrench... the question after that is what is their CS is going to say next? Do I have to send my brand new rifle back to them on my dime for an unknown issue or? I don't know. I also don't like to speculate on something I have no first hand experience with. I've never owned a DT before, most people say they like them, so I'm going to lean towards give them a chance, wait n see. Buy I'd be lying if I didn't say I was disappointed by this process and nervous about the rumors FA |
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Posted: 6/6/2017 4:49:37 PM EDT
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I've just been reading along for the last 20 or so pages for the trainwreck.
But, as to the shipping rifles unassembled, well that's something I have input on. From a tax perspective, they are selling you parts, not a finished manufactured good. As such, the income from it falls into a different tax category (IKEA doesnt do this just for shipping costs). Accountant by day, so this actually makes sense to me. In fact, if you buy a PWS complete rifle, it comes with the halves split and I'd wager dollars to donuts its as much of a financial decision as a practical one. Carry on with the fanboi/hater back and forth. |
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Posted: 6/6/2017 7:11:34 PM EDT
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MDR's ready to ship: https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/18922488_10155216843441259_1067409995703522820_o.jpg?oh=e8a338e5d6e58218d27421460b546c75&oe=59A11BA1 Everything is ready. Just waiting on IWI can do it. Steyr can do it. Desert Tech [crickets]... |
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Posted: 6/6/2017 10:13:24 PM EDT
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I've just been reading along for the last 20 or so pages for the trainwreck. But, as to the shipping rifles unassembled, well that's something I have input on. From a tax perspective, they are selling you parts, not a finished manufactured good. As such, the income from it falls into a different tax category (IKEA doesnt do this just for shipping costs). Accountant by day, so this actually makes sense to me. In fact, if you buy a PWS complete rifle, it comes with the halves split and I'd wager dollars to donuts its as much of a financial decision as a practical one. Carry on with the fanboi/hater back and forth. |
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Posted: 6/6/2017 10:39:11 PM EDT
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The rifles are assembled at DT, test fired, and then broken down for shipment; you are not buying "parts" that you have to assemble yourself. This isn't opinion, it's from a DT employee who is involved with the project and who posted on the BPF. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've just been reading along for the last 20 or so pages for the trainwreck. But, as to the shipping rifles unassembled, well that's something I have input on. From a tax perspective, they are selling you parts, not a finished manufactured good. As such, the income from it falls into a different tax category (IKEA doesnt do this just for shipping costs). Accountant by day, so this actually makes sense to me. In fact, if you buy a PWS complete rifle, it comes with the halves split and I'd wager dollars to donuts its as much of a financial decision as a practical one. Carry on with the fanboi/hater back and forth. That said, I don't think they're doing it out of laziness, I really think they're doing it because they think their compact case is a feature of the rifle so breaking it down and packaging the rifle in the case is a way to show it off. |
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Posted: 6/6/2017 11:04:30 PM EDT
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Let's be real, the truth is probably. I know jack shit about commercial taxes, but if he's right, then yes, they are selling you parts. Even if he's wrong, they are still selling you parts. The fact that they will assemble the rifles and test them and then take them back apart doesn't change that. Especially if it's not a toolless reassembly like an AR upper and lower would be. That said, I don't think they're doing it out of laziness, I really think they're doing it because they think their compact case is a feature of the rifle so breaking it down and packaging the rifle in the case is a way to show it off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've just been reading along for the last 20 or so pages for the trainwreck. But, as to the shipping rifles unassembled, well that's something I have input on. From a tax perspective, they are selling you parts, not a finished manufactured good. As such, the income from it falls into a different tax category (IKEA doesnt do this just for shipping costs). Accountant by day, so this actually makes sense to me. In fact, if you buy a PWS complete rifle, it comes with the halves split and I'd wager dollars to donuts its as much of a financial decision as a practical one. Carry on with the fanboi/hater back and forth. That said, I don't think they're doing it out of laziness, I really think they're doing it because they think their compact case is a feature of the rifle so breaking it down and packaging the rifle in the case is a way to show it off.
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Posted: 6/7/2017 7:06:16 AM EDT
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All this fuss about theoretical parts being shipped assembled or dissassembled? Sorry I couldn't help myself i just had to chuckle. I'll find a way to get mine together. How about their focus on getting a real ship date before deciding on how to ship their non existent product?
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Posted: 6/7/2017 8:32:26 AM EDT
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I mean, people are complaining because it ships disassembled and DT wants to upcharge $145 for their torque wrench that's required for maintaining zero on disassembly. You know, one of their original selling points. And the rifle gained a pound since SHOT with no explanation. And it's still not shipping.
Everybody is finding everything to complain about because they don't have DT rifles in their hands and they want their MDRs, but DT keeps dropping the ball. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 9:44:12 AM EDT
[#50]
If DT ever actually ships a MDR they will pay the 11% FET tax weather the rifles ships assembled or not.
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