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Posted: 9/1/2015 4:09:10 PM EDT
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They've been out for a while, so I'm guessing the demand has ebbed. Not a lot of new accessories at the moment, though I'm sure a few things will be announced at the bullpup shoot in a few weeks. The range of accessories is pretty limited anyway, so there's not a lot to talk about. Even the different handguards look pretty similar.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 4:33:44 PM EDT
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Yeah, I'd guess some of the "hub-bub" has died down due to market saturation. However, it probably indicates another element. What percentage of posts about specific guns on this site involve complaints or issues? I don't have the answer, but silence can also indicate a lack of issues to some degree. For more activity on the Tavor and other bullpups, I'd go over to the Bullpup Forum. It's a good source of info here, but really the primary focus of this site is some other gun that seldom gets talked about.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:05:46 PM EDT
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It's like the new car you wash and wax when new and then you drive it and clean it when it actually gets dirty
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:18:41 PM EDT
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The only two complaints that come up repeatedly on the Tavor are that the charging handle can get bumped, pushing the rifle out of battery; and that if you run it suppressed a lot gas gets in your face.
Other than that it's all subjective quibbling about Ford vs Chevy, this aftermarket accessory or that, and who has the best gun cleaning technique. I think some people have run the Tavor without cleaning at all and it keeps on eating everything... fwiw |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:45:57 PM EDT
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I'm waiting to see the X-85, so not bashing... but for a while Tavor was all the rage, now there are very few threads in here. What's the current price for Tavor's now that the new has wore off the demand? Do you think demand has been satiated, or is it the economy? Your comment covers exactly what happened. The Tavor was hot property. Then IWI said they would be making a semi X-95 for the U.S. and it seems they knocked the wind out of their own sales on the full size Tavor. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 6:12:26 PM EDT
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Your comment covers exactly what happened. The Tavor was hot property. Then IWI said they would be making a semi X-95 for the U.S. and it seems they knocked the wind out of their own sales on the full size Tavor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm waiting to see the X-85, so not bashing... but for a while Tavor was all the rage, now there are very few threads in here. What's the current price for Tavor's now that the new has wore off the demand? Do you think demand has been satiated, or is it the economy? Your comment covers exactly what happened. The Tavor was hot property. Then IWI said they would be making a semi X-95 for the U.S. and it seems they knocked the wind out of their own sales on the full size Tavor. This was certainly part of it. Another was the announcement of the LE program and LE pricing. Nobody wants to buy a gun in this economy unless they think they are getting a great deal. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 6:15:44 PM EDT
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The LE deal wasn't that great IMO
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Posted: 9/1/2015 7:16:22 PM EDT
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I don't know... I still get huge giggle face when I shoot mine, especially on steel at odd angles (read: bank shots). And I have no remorse that they're selling for $100-150 less than I paid for mine. I've gotten a year and a half of enjoyment out of it. Hell, I might buy another one just to piss off the liberal twats.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 7:55:19 PM EDT
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I was thinking about ordering one from CDNN, but the "tons of gas in the face when shooting suppressed" has me rethinking that. Will have to look into this X-95 you guys are talking about....
Current price from CDNN is $1575 for black. Having that short an OAL while retaining a 16" barrel is tempting. ETA: So would I be correct to assume the x-95 will have the same gas issue and the same trigger as the Tavor? |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:41:29 PM EDT
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Mine is still pretty much the only 5.56 rifle i shoot. I'll probably pick up the X95 when it comes out though but i do love my tavor.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:57:06 PM EDT
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I also think there is some anticipation for Desert Tech's upcoming offering, the MDR.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 10:33:53 PM EDT
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The reason I have not got a second is that I would have to have a 3" muzzle brake welded on due the this States poorly worded law that all semi auto riffles need to be over 29" luckily I got a 16.5 before the law.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 11:58:13 PM EDT
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The only complaint I have about mine, is that it's always empty. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 12:04:44 AM EDT
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I was thinking about ordering one from CDNN, but the "tons of gas in the face when shooting suppressed" has me rethinking that. Will have to look into this X-95 you guys are talking about.... Current price from CDNN is $1575 for black. Having that short an OAL while retaining a 16" barrel is tempting. ETA: So would I be correct to assume the x-95 will have the same gas issue and the same trigger as the Tavor? I shoot mine suppressed exclusively and never thought the blowback was bad. Definitely less than my AUG and similar to most my ARs. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 12:31:10 AM EDT
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I shoot mine suppressed exclusively and never thought the blowback was bad. Definitely less than my AUG and similar to most my ARs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was thinking about ordering one from CDNN, but the "tons of gas in the face when shooting suppressed" has me rethinking that. Will have to look into this X-95 you guys are talking about.... Current price from CDNN is $1575 for black. Having that short an OAL while retaining a 16" barrel is tempting. ETA: So would I be correct to assume the x-95 will have the same gas issue and the same trigger as the Tavor? I shoot mine suppressed exclusively and never thought the blowback was bad. Definitely less than my AUG and similar to most my ARs. Thanks for the info. I was thinking about checking out Mac on Mil Arms Chan... knew he did some suppressed shooting with the Tavor. Good to hear some first hand feedback. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 1:06:45 AM EDT
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I shot one at the range in Frisco.
Neat rifle, but no way would I take one over an AR. Too heavy, imo. Txl |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 2:29:59 AM EDT
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sbr suppressed (300BO) or tavor suppressed? hard to decide! need input!
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Posted: 9/2/2015 2:50:06 AM EDT
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I was thinking about ordering one from CDNN, but the "tons of gas in the face when shooting suppressed" has me rethinking that. Will have to look into this X-95 you guys are talking about.... Current price from CDNN is $1575 for black. Having that short an OAL while retaining a 16" barrel is tempting. ETA: So would I be correct to assume the x-95 will have the same gas issue and the same trigger as the Tavor? The gas issue is overblown. I shoot mine exclusively suppressed and it;s not a problem. A cheap little side plate bought aftermarket fixes it right up. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 2:56:25 AM EDT
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I still want a Tavor
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Posted: 9/2/2015 2:58:03 AM EDT
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sbr suppressed (300BO) or tavor suppressed? hard to decide! need input! Get both? Tavor obviously doesn't suppress as well as a blackout rifle, so it's kind of two separate niches. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 3:26:35 PM EDT
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I'd wait for the X-95.
Charge handle is farther back. AR type mag release. Designed for suppressed shooting. Lighter,bettler bolt release,two grip options. If the price is right they'll sell a lot of them. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 3:32:18 PM EDT
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I'd wait for the X-95. Charge handle is farther back. AR type mag release. Designed for suppressed shooting. Lighter,bettler bolt release,two grip options. If the price is right they'll sell a lot of them. I too am waiting for the X95 but I will take the MDR-C if it comes out sooner. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:38:38 PM EDT
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The gas issue is overblown. I shoot mine exclusively suppressed and it;s not a problem. A cheap little side plate bought aftermarket fixes it right up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was thinking about ordering one from CDNN, but the "tons of gas in the face when shooting suppressed" has me rethinking that. Will have to look into this X-95 you guys are talking about.... Current price from CDNN is $1575 for black. Having that short an OAL while retaining a 16" barrel is tempting. ETA: So would I be correct to assume the x-95 will have the same gas issue and the same trigger as the Tavor? The gas issue is overblown. I shoot mine exclusively suppressed and it;s not a problem. A cheap little side plate bought aftermarket fixes it right up. I'm with these guys. There is a little gas, but nothing dramatic. As for the lack of 'buzz' I'm not sure that means much. The Tavor has been out for a while, so maybe the new car smell is gone, but I still shoot mine plenty. It was the first bull-pup I ever held, let alone owned. 
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Posted: 9/3/2015 9:02:52 PM EDT
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IMHO it may not currenty be the shiny new object out right now, however it has catapulted the bullpup conversation more than any other offering only because of its AR magazine comparability, which has drawn some AR owners over to bull pups. At least those fence sitters not willing to shell out extra cash for specific magazines. I'll admit that was one criteria I looked at when I saw the Tavor but to be honest when I bought one it has changed my perception on bullpups to where I now regard the design as a forward-thinking rifle that fits a troublesome nitch the AR could not achieve - ballistics in a SBR package for a dual purpose CQB and longs range rifle.
As you 5.56 shooters know, barrel length is essential to terminal ballistics, so those 14.5" barrel guys trying to find a short barrel rifle with CQB qualities in 5.56 are only degrading their ballistic effectiveness for the sake of gaining a shorter rifle. The Tavor gained popularity by offering good 5.56 ballistics (18" model especially) in a SBR size with AR magazine compatibility. So even though some of the bandwagon crowd may be excited about the X95 on the horizon, the Tavor has its place as an IDF battle-proven platform very few bullpups can join in that exclusive club. If you think it is too heavy, run some CQB drills with it - you may think differently. The Tavor shoots like a dream and IMO feels like an extension of your arm when against your shoulder. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 9:07:46 PM EDT
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It takes quite a bit of repetition to get over the AR-15/M16ism most of us are use to, but once you do, it is pretty good system.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 10:40:56 PM EDT
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I'm still buzzed. The new Omega helped that.
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Posted: 9/5/2015 8:38:48 AM EDT
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I doubt significant (or even more than a few) folks are waiting for the X-85 since it's a NFA weapon with too many hoops to jump thru and ya still end up with a short barrel and sub-standard terminal ballistics.
I think pretty much everyone who wants a Tavor (or AUG for that matter) has already bought one or decided they're too expensive for a niche gun. Folks looking for new stuff all the time will have to move on because any development of these rifles will be incremental. I'm not entirely sure why I still have my Tavor. Wonderful shooter once the TAV-D trigger replaced the horrible OEM trigger. -- Chuck |
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Posted: 9/5/2015 6:22:37 PM EDT
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Your comment covers exactly what happened. The Tavor was hot property. Then IWI said they would be making a semi X-95 for the U.S. and it seems they knocked the wind out of their own sales on the full size Tavor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm waiting to see the X-85, so not bashing... but for a while Tavor was all the rage, now there are very few threads in here. What's the current price for Tavor's now that the new has wore off the demand? Do you think demand has been satiated, or is it the economy? Your comment covers exactly what happened. The Tavor was hot property. Then IWI said they would be making a semi X-95 for the U.S. and it seems they knocked the wind out of their own sales on the full size Tavor. I think price to. $1600 isn't too bad, but they've got most of the early adopters. $1200-1300 and it will move some more. |
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Posted: 9/6/2015 6:39:13 AM EDT
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I was at a steel challenge match yesterday and I and another guy showed up with 9mm Tavors. Both of us also had the Geissele trigger pack. I also had the trigger bow in mine. Some of the other people at the match mentioned that they were thinking of getting one. So, my take is that the big rush is over but there will be continued sales. Also times with the Tavors looked good in the overall results.
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Posted: 9/8/2015 7:40:59 PM EDT
[#30]
i still want one, but four years worth of divorce and custody battle has kept me out of the market.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 1:12:16 PM EDT
[#31]
It's not completely gone....I just ordered one.
Wasn't willing to pay the premium to be one of the first adapters but you'll still see steady sales from guys like me if the prices stay where they are or go down further. |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 1:25:34 PM EDT
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It was only last year when I read that they shipped their 20,000th unit, effectively triple their anticipated demand. Obviously, a lot of shooters wanted them.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 1:34:43 PM EDT
[#33]
I like the Tavor, but with the switchable ejection of the ARX, I'm waiting to see what Beretta might potentially do in the future.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 2:47:18 PM EDT
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I still want a Tavor Me too |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 4:34:39 PM EDT
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It was only last year when I read that they shipped their 20,000th unit, effectively triple their anticipated demand. Obviously, a lot of shooters wanted them. They have shipped about 40,000 guns and have built more than that- firsthand numbers from when I was at their Harrisbug facility about 2 months ago. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 4:56:08 PM EDT
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They have shipped about 40,000 guns and have built more than that- firsthand numbers from when I was at their Harrisbug facility about 2 months ago. Sven Manticore Arms Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was only last year when I read that they shipped their 20,000th unit, effectively triple their anticipated demand. Obviously, a lot of shooters wanted them. They have shipped about 40,000 guns and have built more than that- firsthand numbers from when I was at their Harrisbug facility about 2 months ago. Sven Manticore Arms Pretty soon everything they have is going to sell out in days. Not solely IWI, but everyone. I imagine that companies who can afford to have already started stocking up in anticipation. Anyone waiting for later to buy a tavor or other firearm should consider buying sooner rather than later. |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 5:05:08 PM EDT
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They have shipped about 40,000 guns and have built more than that- firsthand numbers from when I was at their Harrisbug facility about 2 months ago. Sven Manticore Arms Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was only last year when I read that they shipped their 20,000th unit, effectively triple their anticipated demand. Obviously, a lot of shooters wanted them. They have shipped about 40,000 guns and have built more than that- firsthand numbers from when I was at their Harrisbug facility about 2 months ago. Sven Manticore Arms That sounds like a lot although I don't see many on at my public ranges, rifle matches or carbine courses. Just anecdotal, I know. I wonder if the majority of these are just going to collectors. |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 5:17:55 PM EDT
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That sounds like a lot although I don't see many on at my public ranges, rifle matches or carbine courses. Just anecdotal, I know. I wonder if the majority of these are just going to collectors. 40,000 evenly divided among the 50 states would be about 800 rifles per state, if that helps put it into perspective. |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 5:45:50 PM EDT
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Pretty soon everything they have is going to sell out in days. Not solely IWI, but everyone. I imagine that companies who can afford to have already started stocking up in anticipation. Anyone waiting for later to buy a tavor or other firearm should consider buying sooner rather than later. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was only last year when I read that they shipped their 20,000th unit, effectively triple their anticipated demand. Obviously, a lot of shooters wanted them. They have shipped about 40,000 guns and have built more than that- firsthand numbers from when I was at their Harrisbug facility about 2 months ago. Sven Manticore Arms Pretty soon everything they have is going to sell out in days. Not solely IWI, but everyone. I imagine that companies who can afford to have already started stocking up in anticipation. Anyone waiting for later to buy a tavor or other firearm should consider buying sooner rather than later. Why is this? Is there some kind of catastrophe I have somehow missed? |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 5:48:39 PM EDT
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40,000 evenly divided among the 50 states would be about 800 rifles per state, if that helps put it into perspective. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That sounds like a lot although I don't see many on at my public ranges, rifle matches or carbine courses. Just anecdotal, I know. I wonder if the majority of these are just going to collectors. 40,000 evenly divided among the 50 states would be about 800 rifles per state, if that helps put it into perspective. Not legal in CT or NY, so it's 833.3333333 rifles! |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 6:08:00 PM EDT
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That sounds like a lot although I don't see many on at my public ranges, rifle matches or carbine courses. Just anecdotal, I know. I wonder if the majority of these are just going to collectors. 40,000 evenly divided among the 50 states would be about 800 rifles per state, if that helps put it into perspective. Not legal in CT or NY, so it's 833.3333333 rifles! Well that changes everything!
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Posted: 9/9/2015 6:08:30 PM EDT
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Why is this? Is there some kind of catastrophe I have somehow missed? There's an election coming up. |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 10:12:54 PM EDT
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Why is this? Is there some kind of catastrophe I have somehow missed? There's an election coming up. Oh that! Silly me, I forgot!  Since CT has already gang-raped gun owners, we here behind the lines tend to overlook how political consequences will impact free states.
Yes, I am sure the Republicans will put up the worst possible candidate, and Hillary will win, bringing the Democrats back into the majority with her coat-tails. 
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Posted: 9/9/2015 10:45:46 PM EDT
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I'm currently weighing pros n cons of a tavor or perhaps an AUG vs. 300BO or 556 sbr. Will be putting a can on it as well.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 10:52:33 PM EDT
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They have shipped about 40,000 guns and have built more than that- firsthand numbers from when I was at their Harrisbug facility about 2 months ago. Sven Manticore Arms Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was only last year when I read that they shipped their 20,000th unit, effectively triple their anticipated demand. Obviously, a lot of shooters wanted them. They have shipped about 40,000 guns and have built more than that- firsthand numbers from when I was at their Harrisbug facility about 2 months ago. Sven Manticore Arms Any of you know how that compares with the other bullpups numbers wise. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 12:08:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/10/2015 3:24:32 AM EDT
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It was only last year when I read that they shipped their 20,000th unit, effectively triple their anticipated demand. Obviously, a lot of shooters wanted them. They have shipped about 40,000 guns and have built more than that- firsthand numbers from when I was at their Harrisbug facility about 2 months ago. Sven Manticore Arms That sounds like a lot although I don't see many on at my public ranges, rifle matches or carbine courses. Just anecdotal, I know. I wonder if the majority of these are just going to collectors. You are in CA... probably a lot more folks buying the non gimped version. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 3:25:59 AM EDT
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It was only last year when I read that they shipped their 20,000th unit, effectively triple their anticipated demand. Obviously, a lot of shooters wanted them. They have shipped about 40,000 guns and have built more than that- firsthand numbers from when I was at their Harrisbug facility about 2 months ago. Sven Manticore Arms Any of you know how that compares with the other bullpups numbers wise. Blows them away, I believe. Even when the Tavor was at 20,000, they'd surpassed the number of Augs sold in decades. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 7:49:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/10/2015 9:53:10 PM EDT
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well idk about buzz but i'm looking to buy one now haha.
I didn't like my first one from the preorder, hoping to try another one. |
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