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Posted: 6/28/2015 7:58:45 PM EDT
I've shot my Tavor suppressed quite a bit, and even with safety glasses, sometimes the gas coming from under the top rail is unbearable, especially with 5.56 ammunition. I haven't taken a Tavor chasis down, only basic field strip. Is there any way to seal off any places towards the rear of the top rail? I already have an MI ejection port cover.
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Can't tell you the places where gas escapes on a Tavor, but I have a friend who is a suppressor fiend...won't hardly shoot most rifles unsuppressed. He sold his Tavor due to this issue even though he really liked the rifle. He still has an RFB .308. Not sure of the things he tried to keep the Tavor, but he reluctantly sold it.
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Can't tell you the places where gas escapes on a Tavor, but I have a friend who is a suppressor fiend...won't hardly shoot most rifles unsuppressed. He sold his Tavor due to this issue even though he really liked the rifle. He still has an RFB .308. Not sure of the things he tried to keep the Tavor, but he reluctantly sold it. View Quote Silly. Cheap side plate takes care of 99% of the gas problems. OP, try taking off your rail and look around, see if you can figure out what's happening. This is not a problem on mine when shot suppressed, and not common in general. First i've heard of it. Maybe call IWI. |
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Silly. Cheap side plate takes care of 99% of the gas problems. OP, try taking off your rail and look around, see if you can figure out what's happening. This is not a problem on mine when shot suppressed, and not common in general. First i've heard of it. Maybe call IWI. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Can't tell you the places where gas escapes on a Tavor, but I have a friend who is a suppressor fiend...won't hardly shoot most rifles unsuppressed. He sold his Tavor due to this issue even though he really liked the rifle. He still has an RFB .308. Not sure of the things he tried to keep the Tavor, but he reluctantly sold it. Silly. Cheap side plate takes care of 99% of the gas problems. OP, try taking off your rail and look around, see if you can figure out what's happening. This is not a problem on mine when shot suppressed, and not common in general. First i've heard of it. Maybe call IWI. I have Gear Head's blockoff plate on my Tavor, and there is still the faint, acrid gunpowder odor that's stronger than any other firearm I own...even with any quality ammo. Now, when I say "faint", I mean very subtle and not disconcerting. However, I can see how those with a suppressor might have a really annoying level of gas/odor. No, I haven't fired a suppressed Tavor. I have a Steyr NATO AUG and get no such odor. I do not find this difference problematic on the Tavor for me personally, but I'm betting it's something to consider on a suppressed version. I think the gas is coming right out of the ejection port, but I can't put my finger on why it should be any different than the AUG. Others have experienced the same thing with the Tavor, so I don't think my observation, the OP's, or my friend's suppressed experience are anomalies. Again...I point out that this is quite subtle on my unsuppressed Tavor and not a problematic issue...even over a recent 2-day school with hundreds of rounds fired. But it is there compared to my other firearms shooting the same ammo. |
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ran multiple Tavors suppressed and you are correct the gas escapes just past the end of the rail between the metal and the top of the stock body. I put a patch of silicone on one of mine and it cured the problem of getting a tavor Powder mustache... just my $0.02
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Consider getting an OSS suppressor...that will pretty much eliminate this problem.
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I have Gear Head's blockoff plate on my Tavor, and there is still the faint, acrid gunpowder odor that's stronger than any other firearm I own...even with any quality ammo. Now, when I say "faint", I mean very subtle and not disconcerting. However, I can see how those with a suppressor might have a really annoying level of gas/odor. No, I haven't fired a suppressed Tavor. I have a Steyr NATO AUG and get no such odor. I do not find this difference problematic on the Tavor for me personally, but I'm betting it's something to consider on a suppressed version. I think the gas is coming right out of the ejection port, but I can't put my finger on why it should be any different than the AUG. Others have experienced the same thing with the Tavor, so I don't think my observation, the OP's, or my friend's suppressed experience are anomalies. Again...I point out that this is quite subtle on my unsuppressed Tavor and not a problematic issue...even over a recent 2-day school with hundreds of rounds fired. But it is there compared to my other firearms shooting the same ammo. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Can't tell you the places where gas escapes on a Tavor, but I have a friend who is a suppressor fiend...won't hardly shoot most rifles unsuppressed. He sold his Tavor due to this issue even though he really liked the rifle. He still has an RFB .308. Not sure of the things he tried to keep the Tavor, but he reluctantly sold it. Silly. Cheap side plate takes care of 99% of the gas problems. OP, try taking off your rail and look around, see if you can figure out what's happening. This is not a problem on mine when shot suppressed, and not common in general. First i've heard of it. Maybe call IWI. I have Gear Head's blockoff plate on my Tavor, and there is still the faint, acrid gunpowder odor that's stronger than any other firearm I own...even with any quality ammo. Now, when I say "faint", I mean very subtle and not disconcerting. However, I can see how those with a suppressor might have a really annoying level of gas/odor. No, I haven't fired a suppressed Tavor. I have a Steyr NATO AUG and get no such odor. I do not find this difference problematic on the Tavor for me personally, but I'm betting it's something to consider on a suppressed version. I think the gas is coming right out of the ejection port, but I can't put my finger on why it should be any different than the AUG. Others have experienced the same thing with the Tavor, so I don't think my observation, the OP's, or my friend's suppressed experience are anomalies. Again...I point out that this is quite subtle on my unsuppressed Tavor and not a problematic issue...even over a recent 2-day school with hundreds of rounds fired. But it is there compared to my other firearms shooting the same ammo. The AUG releases excess gas up at the gas block, I believe. The Tavor doesn't do this, so that's probably the difference you're experiencing. I've run my Tavor nearly exclusively suppressed and gas has not been an issue at all. |
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The AUG releases excess gas up at the gas block, I believe. The Tavor doesn't do this, so that's probably the difference you're experiencing. I've run my Tavor nearly exclusively suppressed and gas has not been an issue at all. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Can't tell you the places where gas escapes on a Tavor, but I have a friend who is a suppressor fiend...won't hardly shoot most rifles unsuppressed. He sold his Tavor due to this issue even though he really liked the rifle. He still has an RFB .308. Not sure of the things he tried to keep the Tavor, but he reluctantly sold it. Silly. Cheap side plate takes care of 99% of the gas problems. OP, try taking off your rail and look around, see if you can figure out what's happening. This is not a problem on mine when shot suppressed, and not common in general. First i've heard of it. Maybe call IWI. I have Gear Head's blockoff plate on my Tavor, and there is still the faint, acrid gunpowder odor that's stronger than any other firearm I own...even with any quality ammo. Now, when I say "faint", I mean very subtle and not disconcerting. However, I can see how those with a suppressor might have a really annoying level of gas/odor. No, I haven't fired a suppressed Tavor. I have a Steyr NATO AUG and get no such odor. I do not find this difference problematic on the Tavor for me personally, but I'm betting it's something to consider on a suppressed version. I think the gas is coming right out of the ejection port, but I can't put my finger on why it should be any different than the AUG. Others have experienced the same thing with the Tavor, so I don't think my observation, the OP's, or my friend's suppressed experience are anomalies. Again...I point out that this is quite subtle on my unsuppressed Tavor and not a problematic issue...even over a recent 2-day school with hundreds of rounds fired. But it is there compared to my other firearms shooting the same ammo. The AUG releases excess gas up at the gas block, I believe. The Tavor doesn't do this, so that's probably the difference you're experiencing. I've run my Tavor nearly exclusively suppressed and gas has not been an issue at all. Yeah, I knew both of these rifles are obviously piston designs, but I didn't really think about where the Tavor exhausts. Apparently the gas venting within the stock causes a little of it to waft into other areas of the gun...and then out. I guess maybe that's why Steyr vented their port up front and outside of the stock. |
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ran multiple Tavors suppressed and you are correct the gas escapes just past the end of the rail between the metal and the top of the stock body. I put a patch of silicone on one of mine and it cured the problem of getting a tavor Powder mustache... just my $0.02 View Quote Mr Sparks, could you post a pic illustrating your solution to the Tavor face? Funds are not available for an OSS suppressor set up. Thanks |
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I'd also like to see a pic of the "patch" since my Liberty Constitution kicks a fair amount of gas back thru there...
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Sorry guys just got back from the mountains I'll try and snap some pics Tonight
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Waiting impatiently but I understand. I still can't post pics!
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Black electrical, blue painter's?
I've got packing tape out the ass. |
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duct tape/variant thereof. Something that is semi durable, with good adhesive, and can be form fitting.
Although, I will say, if I had an open tube of rtv laying around, I would have used that. Either way, it works. Not cool guy pretty fancy, but I'm a cheap bastard. |
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Join the club!
I'm just looking for pics so I can see where to "rtv". I think I'll try the tape route first. |
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Ok tried to get pics were you can actually see were I put the silicone but it is down by the crack and doesn't really look like anything... I can post the pics were it is with a arrow but pretty sure you guys already know the spot... So I kinda failed you all in this pic fix.. my brother in law took a magpul rail cover and notched the ends and used the section to over lap that area and silicones it to the plastic and it worked great plus it's not a full gun modification.. Some guys at the local shoots were running just a patch of duck tape on the back... It is weird though I have 5 Tavors and only one leaves a Tavor mark on my cheek the others are good to go..
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Thank you so much mr sparks.
It was 100 here today so it will be a while before I hit the range but will definitely be using your idea. |
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One more question: why five tavors? I understand, one's good, two's better, there's wonderful but five?
I have two: 16.5" and 18". But, I understand if you found deals and had cash handy. |
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You're a good Dad and husband. I wish I had space for that kind of lifestyle!
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Thanks for the pics and the explanation. Noted and thread bookmarked
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OP, I have the exact same problem with my Tavor and AAC suppressor. I use CLP as my lubricant and federal ammo. My last range trip got so bad I had to stop shooting suppressed altogether. My glasses were covered in speckles and the gas was overpowering. I contacted IWI to see if this was a known issue or if they had any suggestions. They said they hadn't heard of this issue and that I could try some tape to seal that area. I haven't had a chance to apply any fixes yet but I'm glad I found this thread and that I'm not the only one.
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Silly. Cheap side plate takes care of 99% of the gas problems. OP, try taking off your rail and look around, see if you can figure out what's happening. This is not a problem on mine when shot suppressed, and not common in general. First i've heard of it. Maybe call IWI. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Can't tell you the places where gas escapes on a Tavor, but I have a friend who is a suppressor fiend...won't hardly shoot most rifles unsuppressed. He sold his Tavor due to this issue even though he really liked the rifle. He still has an RFB .308. Not sure of the things he tried to keep the Tavor, but he reluctantly sold it. Silly. Cheap side plate takes care of 99% of the gas problems. OP, try taking off your rail and look around, see if you can figure out what's happening. This is not a problem on mine when shot suppressed, and not common in general. First i've heard of it. Maybe call IWI. Yes. Silly. I put an MI side plate on mine and had no issues but I may not have had issues before; first time with suppressor. PMC great, Tula & WPA stronger smell and with one of those(the rounds looked identical)I could see a little trail of smoke rising after I set the rifle down. All ammo was 223. PMC was six o'clock hold but commie was 12 o'clock. All minute of clay at ~25yds. eta I have an 18" Tavor. |
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OP, I have the exact same problem with my Tavor and AAC suppressor. I use CLP as my lubricant and federal ammo. My last range trip got so bad I had to stop shooting suppressed altogether. My glasses were covered in speckles and the gas was overpowering. I contacted IWI to see if this was a known issue or if they had any suggestions. They said they hadn't heard of this issue and that I could try some tape to seal that area. I haven't had a chance to apply any fixes yet but I'm glad I found this thread and that I'm not the only one. View Quote Did you get a new side plate? $40 fix in my experience. |
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Yup, I got the new side plate after the first time I fired it suppressed. It sealed up the side port great but now the gas from behind the top rail is even worse now that I have blocked another exit point for the gas. I wonder if there is some other way to port the excess gas out? If I seal up the area behind the top rail with silicone or tape the only other area I notice carbon deposits are generally inside the magazines. Could a modification be made near the mag well that could divert some of the excess gas that way? It's interesting that some users don't have any issue with this but others do. What could be the difference in the rifles? I know of other folks on here and the bullpup forum who use AAC cans and don't seem to have nearly the issues that myself and the OP do.
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I use an AAC can, but I'm using an SDN-6, so it's got a little extra volume over a dedicated 5.56 can. So that probably makes a little difference.
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I also have the SDN-6. I'm hopping that the tape fix will help. I plan a tearing it down and looking in that are and figuring out a more permanent solution than tape. I have a spare tube of clear silicone from some bathroom work that may do the trick.
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For starters, I have an 18" tavor.
My only leak at the top was with Tula/WPA ammo; no issues with pmc bronze 223. I brought my saker 762 but forgot my mitt and couldn't wait for it to cool off to switch with my 556 saker! |
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So I finally disassembled my Tavor to look for the gas leak. I took off the top rail and noticed a excessive amount of carbon build up underneath the rear area of the top rail. I noticed about an eigth inch gap at the rear where most of the build looked like it came from and smaller gaps to either side. I plan on cleaning the area up good and then sealing it with some tape as a temporary fix. If this fixes the problem then I will seal it with clear silicone as a more permanent fix.
Does anyone else have these gaps on their rifles? Does anyone think sealing this area would affect the function of the rifle? |
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I am also going to pull the barrel off and look at the area from the other side before I seal anything up. Waiting for my barrel wrench from IWI.
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