Posted: 10/29/2014 9:40:44 AM EDT
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Not sure where you get drama or emotion from my post. I think it was clear that I was comparing an aftermarket trigger to a military issue grade trigger. I disagree that an AUG or FS2000 with a Nue trigger "approaches" the TAV-D.
I also dispute your contention that "this nations fighters managed to fight and win through many wars with triggers that 'sucked balls' far worse than either the AUG or Tavor have." Mil-spec trigger pull for an AR is 5.5-8.5 pounds, if I am not mistaken. Neither my AUG, nor my Tavor had a trigger within that range from the factory. If you care to go farther back in time, I believe you will find that the factory Tavor or AUG trigger compares very unfavorably with an M14 or Garand trigger.
As for "weaknesses", I assume NSW-Crane issued a certification for one of the Geissele models to compensate for the "weaknesses" of our Special Operations community?
Lighter, predictable triggers increase practical accuracy, precision and speed of follow-up shots. The best options do each of those things without sacrificing reliability or safety (assuming you can maintain trigger discipline). I personally don't think those points are even debatable, but feel free to try.
It is a fact that there are two aftermarket options in existence and available for the Tavor that give the shooter those benefits. I am aware that an option exists for the AUG, but if it is available, I haven't been able to wrangle one in 2 years of waiting. Whether these benefits are worth the cost, is a decision for each user based on their needs/desires.
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I own both.
Before the aftermarket triggers, I would have said AUG. Now that I have replaced the stock trigger in the Tavor, I would say Tavor.
A TAV-D or Supra Sabra trigger in the Tavor truly makes it a one compromise rifle versus an AR. You are trading weight for length. Everything else on the Tavor is similar to an AR, or at least easily workable with some Tavor specific practice.
The AUG contingent will be along to explain that it's a "combat" rifle, and that the trigger is "workable", and I guess that is true. It is also true, however, that the AUG trigger sucks balls compared to the available options for an AR, or now the Tavor.
Sounds like you've been spoiled into using a crutch to compensate for weaknesses, how have this nations fighters managed to fight and win through many wars with triggers that 'sucked balls' far worse than either the AUG or Tavor? Sure using a machine to dig a hole instead of a shovel is great, but you end up with a weak back. and when the machine breaks down you get blisters from having soft milktoast skin.
I've got no issue with progress, tech improvements, etc, but I think people overstate things more for drama & emotion than rational thinking. Both triggers are utterly useable and can be learned, both are 'better' than many DA revolvers, so I think stating they both suck is a bit much. The AUG trigger beats the Tavor out of the box (by a bunch), the aftermarket Tavor packs greatly improve the trigger but for the price of some $300+ (20% of the rifles cost) and can alter reliability/safety. The AUGs trigger can be modded for about $30, it doesn't affect reliability/safety, and sees improvements nearly equal to one of the the Tavor packs.
Me personally, I have no intent on messing with or spending money on the triggers of either, I plan to learn and master them both, but to each his own
Not sure where you get drama or emotion from my post. I think it was clear that I was comparing an aftermarket trigger to a military issue grade trigger. I disagree that an AUG or FS2000 with a Nue trigger "approaches" the TAV-D.
I also dispute your contention that "this nations fighters managed to fight and win through many wars with triggers that 'sucked balls' far worse than either the AUG or Tavor have." Mil-spec trigger pull for an AR is 5.5-8.5 pounds, if I am not mistaken. Neither my AUG, nor my Tavor had a trigger within that range from the factory. If you care to go farther back in time, I believe you will find that the factory Tavor or AUG trigger compares very unfavorably with an M14 or Garand trigger.
As for "weaknesses", I assume NSW-Crane issued a certification for one of the Geissele models to compensate for the "weaknesses" of our Special Operations community?
Lighter, predictable triggers increase practical accuracy, precision and speed of follow-up shots. The best options do each of those things without sacrificing reliability or safety (assuming you can maintain trigger discipline). I personally don't think those points are even debatable, but feel free to try.
It is a fact that there are two aftermarket options in existence and available for the Tavor that give the shooter those benefits. I am aware that an option exists for the AUG, but if it is available, I haven't been able to wrangle one in 2 years of waiting. Whether these benefits are worth the cost, is a decision for each user based on their needs/desires.
You nailed it.
For the last +100 years the US military has built firearms with triggers that enhance operation and accuracy potential of the weapon platforms.
(Not 10 lbs or more)
People that try to justify a heavy trigger might want to contact the Army / Marines and tell them they are doing it wrong.
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