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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:51:02 PM EDT
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Very Cool and ingenious. Looks awesome.
But for me 556 or bust 
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Posted: 9/29/2014 11:05:02 PM EDT
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Thanks!  No prob!
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Posted: 9/30/2014 11:43:53 AM EDT
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Placed an order with Ratworx this morning. I wasn't the only one, apparently! Looking forward to receiving this!
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Posted: 9/30/2014 4:17:03 PM EDT
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not the only one interested .... waiting on one form 3 (5.56) and just going to fill out form 4 (22) ... wife would kill me going for three
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Posted: 9/30/2014 5:44:17 PM EDT
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(cross posted from the thread in the suppressor forum, my apologies if you read this already)
FYI, we have had a few people say "it looks big and heavy" or "it looks nose heavy", and we understand that aesthetically it look s a bit more hefty out front, but remember that is a hollow tube and most of it is open volume inside. You don't have a solid block of aluminum or steel out there, it is just over a pound of weight, so it is as light or lighter as most other 9mm suppressors *and* you aren't cantilevering it way out in front of the barrel like a normal 7"-8" long suppressor. Ultimately, it is a suppressor, and yeah, it is going to add some weight to the gun. Any suppressor you add on is going to do that... Anyhow, I was trying to figure out a way to visually show how it affects the balance of the gun, and came up with and idea last night. After the production meeting out at Ratworx today we put together this little high school style experment to show where the center of gravity is on a stock Tavor and on a Tavor with the ZRX mounted: 
We simply rigged a harris bipod adapter to a piece of paracord loop, and then free slid the bipod adapter down the rail until it reached the center of gravity. You know you are at the center of gravity when the gun sits level, and not muzzle down or butt down. As you can see, the center of gravity on the stock Tavor is about 2 inches behind the pistol grip- the gun is actually butt heavy. With the ZRX mounted, it is right over the pistol grip. This is actually the sweet spot where it is ideal to have the center of gravity. As for my expression, it actually wasn't meant to be serious in the first picture and smiling in the next - I just happened to laugh at how what we were doing was sort of ridiculous in a way- hanging a gun from a piece of paracord like an episode of Mr. Peabody and Sherman or something. 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:50:58 PM EDT
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As an engineer, sometimes the simplest explanations are the best! What are you doing to ensure that the six (?) screws holding the suppressor in place don't come loose? That's my primary concern. That's going to be a large rifle to be slinging 9mm in!
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:58:32 PM EDT
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As an engineer, sometimes the simplest explanations are the best! What are you doing to ensure that the six (?) screws holding the suppressor in place don't come loose? That's my primary concern. That's going to be a large rifle to be slinging 9mm in! 12 screws actually, six top and six bottom. The easiest way to ensure they dont come loose is to install the core and then fire 2500-3000 rounds through it in one day. Then you go to remove the screws and find they are all still tight, and are sure that your calculated torque settings that you worked out as ultimately being "snug tight" by feel are good to go and screws loosening is not going to be an issue. ;) Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 10:48:54 AM EDT
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12 screws actually, six top and six bottom. The easiest way to ensure they dont come loose is to install the core and then fire 2500-3000 rounds through it in one day. Then you go to remove the screws and find they are all still tight, and are sure that your calculated torque settings that you worked out as ultimately being "snug tight" by feel are good to go and screws loosening is not going to be an issue. ;) Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As an engineer, sometimes the simplest explanations are the best! What are you doing to ensure that the six (?) screws holding the suppressor in place don't come loose? That's my primary concern. That's going to be a large rifle to be slinging 9mm in! 12 screws actually, six top and six bottom. The easiest way to ensure they dont come loose is to install the core and then fire 2500-3000 rounds through it in one day. Then you go to remove the screws and find they are all still tight, and are sure that your calculated torque settings that you worked out as ultimately being "snug tight" by feel are good to go and screws loosening is not going to be an issue. ;) Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile How about the 2 screws that hold it to the Tavor Frame and also the "lip" of the Tavor Frame where the handguard slips over? Any noticeable issues with the loads reacting into those locations? |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:31:41 AM EDT
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How about the 2 screws that hold it to the Tavor Frame and also the "lip" of the Tavor Frame where the handguard slips over? Any noticeable issues with the loads reacting into those locations? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As an engineer, sometimes the simplest explanations are the best! What are you doing to ensure that the six (?) screws holding the suppressor in place don't come loose? That's my primary concern. That's going to be a large rifle to be slinging 9mm in! 12 screws actually, six top and six bottom. The easiest way to ensure they dont come loose is to install the core and then fire 2500-3000 rounds through it in one day. Then you go to remove the screws and find they are all still tight, and are sure that your calculated torque settings that you worked out as ultimately being "snug tight" by feel are good to go and screws loosening is not going to be an issue. ;) Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile How about the 2 screws that hold it to the Tavor Frame and also the "lip" of the Tavor Frame where the handguard slips over? Any noticeable issues with the loads reacting into those locations? No issues at all. The ZRX has 2500+ rounds through it on Saturday, and there wasn't even finish wear inside the two mounting screw holes on the forend. What you have to remember is that those screws are holding through the metal of the forend, and mounted into a steel bracket on the gun. The screws are a quarter inch in diameter of steel. Take a look at a 1/2x28 or 1/2x36 muzzle thread on your rifle, the part that is holding your direct screw on suppressor or muzzle device in place- those threads have only about 0.030" of interlock with that muzzle device or suppressor, and I have yet to hear of a suppressor that launched off by shearing through the muzzle threads of the barrel! 
You will see that two quarter inch diameter steel screws give PLENTY of strength to hold everything in place.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:48:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 5.56 version? I couldn't spend my money fast enough.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:58:02 AM EDT
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I couldn't spend my money fast enough.
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5.56 version? I couldn't spend my money fast enough.
I think the heat and strength that aren't issues with 9mm would be big issues with 5.56.. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:04:09 PM EDT
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No issues at all. The ZRX has 2500+ rounds through it on Saturday, and there wasn't even finish wear inside the two mounting screw holes on the forend. What you have to remember is that those screws are holding through the metal of the forend, and mounted into a steel bracket on the gun. The screws are a quarter inch in diameter of steel. Take a look at a 1/2x28 or 1/2x36 muzzle thread on your rifle, the part that is holding your direct screw on suppressor or muzzle device in place- those threads have only about 0.030" of interlock with that muzzle device or suppressor, and I have yet to hear of a suppressor that launched off by shearing through the muzzle threads of the barrel!
You will see that two quarter inch diameter steel screws give PLENTY of strength to hold everything in place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As an engineer, sometimes the simplest explanations are the best! What are you doing to ensure that the six (?) screws holding the suppressor in place don't come loose? That's my primary concern. That's going to be a large rifle to be slinging 9mm in! 12 screws actually, six top and six bottom. The easiest way to ensure they dont come loose is to install the core and then fire 2500-3000 rounds through it in one day. Then you go to remove the screws and find they are all still tight, and are sure that your calculated torque settings that you worked out as ultimately being "snug tight" by feel are good to go and screws loosening is not going to be an issue. ;) Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile How about the 2 screws that hold it to the Tavor Frame and also the "lip" of the Tavor Frame where the handguard slips over? Any noticeable issues with the loads reacting into those locations? No issues at all. The ZRX has 2500+ rounds through it on Saturday, and there wasn't even finish wear inside the two mounting screw holes on the forend. What you have to remember is that those screws are holding through the metal of the forend, and mounted into a steel bracket on the gun. The screws are a quarter inch in diameter of steel. Take a look at a 1/2x28 or 1/2x36 muzzle thread on your rifle, the part that is holding your direct screw on suppressor or muzzle device in place- those threads have only about 0.030" of interlock with that muzzle device or suppressor, and I have yet to hear of a suppressor that launched off by shearing through the muzzle threads of the barrel!
You will see that two quarter inch diameter steel screws give PLENTY of strength to hold everything in place. Understand about the screws...shear loads on screws are quite high. How about bearing from the screws into the plastic frame and the bearing loads from the handguard and where the handguards butts up against on the plastic frame? |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 3:15:26 PM EDT
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Hey everyone,
Because of the overwhelming response we've received, preorders are now open for the ZRX Suppressor! Register there for all of the latest news, including information on the production status of the suppressor. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 3:20:49 PM EDT
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Is there anyone selling a combo kit for the Tavor and 9mm conversion?
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Posted: 10/1/2014 4:17:52 PM EDT
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I have zero interest in a 9mm Tavor (already have 4-5 9mm carbines, some suppressed)...
But that's fucking bad ass. 
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Posted: 10/1/2014 4:25:33 PM EDT
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Is there anyone selling a combo kit for the Tavor and 9mm conversion? IWI announced this Monday they are doing factory built 9mm guns, and they should start appearing in for sale in the next 2-3 weeks. 
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Posted: 10/1/2014 5:22:20 PM EDT
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Fantastic idea... I have never been interested in a 9mm carbine until I saw this. How tight is the core in the forend? It seems like there may be a chance of a lot of gas leakage with no "O" rings. just quoting, didn't get answered, and I am curious as well (not that I know jack about suppressors). |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:04:25 PM EDT
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just quoting, didn't get answered, and I am curious as well (not that I know jack about suppressors). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fantastic idea... I have never been interested in a 9mm carbine until I saw this. How tight is the core in the forend? It seems like there may be a chance of a lot of gas leakage with no "O" rings. just quoting, didn't get answered, and I am curious as well (not that I know jack about suppressors). It is a close slide in fit. Ratworx looked at doing O-rings, but to incorporate them meant the core was going to have to be heavier, installation and removal was going to be a nightmare, and in the end they really would not change the performance. Yes, in theory you get very a tiny bit of gas out the front and rear at the junction of the core and the forend, (or rather at the junction on the sides- the top and bottom of the baffle stack is solid) but it has no real life effect on performance - after all, you are letting gas out the hole in the front too. As long as the gas has the ability to expand and cool and is released at a controlled rate it is a non-issue. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 2:33:19 PM EDT
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RatWorx submitted the paperwork on my Tavor ZRX suppressor today! I can't wait!
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Posted: 10/2/2014 3:13:57 PM EDT
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They got a serial number for you already and filed the Form 3? That was much faster than I anticipated! As I was one of the first people to order, I was miffed to not be contacted by Ratworx, until I realized that I'm currently on a plane :) Hopefully I'll have a voicemail asking for payment waiting for me when I land!
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Posted: 10/2/2014 6:12:59 PM EDT
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Now you need to develop a suppresed grip version for the X95 , one that is SBR'd to 13". That I would purchase.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 5:49:28 AM EDT
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Now you need to develop a suppresed grip version for the X95 , one that is SBR'd to 13". That I would purchase. THIS
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Posted: 10/3/2014 9:09:29 AM EDT
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can you confirm that serial numbers are available ... might change my idea and go and pay some money .... must resist or wife will NOT be happy
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Posted: 10/3/2014 10:22:16 AM EDT
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can you confirm that serial numbers are available ... might change my idea and go and pay some money .... must resist or wife will NOT be happy Pre-orders being taken right here: https://www.ratworxusa.com/?q=tavor_9mm_zrx_suppressor |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:19:01 AM EDT
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Called Ratworx, and they indicated that serial numbers are not available yet.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:28:21 AM EDT
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Cool
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Posted: 10/3/2014 1:49:29 PM EDT
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Called Ratworx, and they indicated that serial numbers are not available yet. Hmm...wonder if they can make the suppressor serial match the rifle serial. |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 3:27:32 PM EDT
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Is there a time frame when this will be an "on the shelf" item ... want to spend the $400, no $600 (tax stamp) no $700 transfer ... but not wait months for it to be born.
Just curious and probably a buyer
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Posted: 10/9/2014 4:34:11 PM EDT
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Is there a time frame when this will be an "on the shelf" item ... want to spend the $400, no $600 (tax stamp) no $700 transfer ... but not wait months for it to be born. Just curious and probably a buyer The first commercially available ones are being manufactured right now. Best bet is to get on the pre-order list, as it might be a while before it is an "off the shelf" product with the insane demand for it thus far.
https://www.ratworxusa.com/?q=tavor_9mm_zrx_suppressor |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 5:45:02 PM EDT
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We have been working with Ratworx on this project for a while. The worst part? Not being able to tell anybody about it until we revealed it yesterday!
Sven Manticore Arms <a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/tavor9mmsuppressedZRX.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/tavor9mmsuppressedZRX.jpg</a> that is really cool so now the question is does it come in FDE for people that have as FDE Tavor ? |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 5:49:29 PM EDT
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They got a serial number for you already and filed the Form 3? That was much faster than I anticipated! As I was one of the first people to order, I was miffed to not be contacted by Ratworx, until I realized that I'm currently on a plane :) Hopefully I'll have a voicemail asking for payment waiting for me when I land! I will be receiving ZRX serial number 3. |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 6:09:25 PM EDT
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Do you have an "in" with those guys? Because I was told by Ratworx that it would be about a month, and that I was their third customer to place an order.
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Posted: 10/9/2014 7:10:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:I do have an "in" at RatWorx. I have known about t
Do you have an "in" with those guys? Because I was told by Ratworx that it would be about a month, and that I was their third customer to place an order. I do have an "in" with the RatWorx crew. I have known about this project since the inception. My guess is that my can and your can will ship to our SOT''s the same day. |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 8:12:51 PM EDT
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Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification!
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Posted: 10/16/2014 4:07:03 PM EDT
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The wait has started. |
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Posted: 10/16/2014 4:52:50 PM EDT
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Same here. Was contacted today for payment to start the Form 3 process. 9mm Tavor rifles are expected to sell for $1650 from Ratworx.
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Posted: 10/17/2014 6:21:39 PM EDT
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Anyone else contacted?
Im on the list but haven't heard from them yet. |
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Posted: 11/16/2014 4:36:19 PM EDT
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Just thought you all might want to know- Ratworx is predicting the 5.56 version of the ZRX should be available in summer 2015.
Also watch the news stands, you should start to see some articles with a lot more detail on the development and function of the ZRX in the next few months.
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Posted: 12/22/2014 1:06:54 PM EDT
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Is there going to be a pre-order list for the 5.56 version?
Interested in signing up if there is. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 11:48:04 AM EDT
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Is there going to be a pre-order list for the 5.56 version? Interested in signing up if there is. The design of the 5.56mm isn't even finished yet, so I can't answer that, still too early in the process... |
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Posted: 12/31/2014 11:57:50 AM EDT
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ZRX 9mm suppressors ready to head to your SOT today!
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Posted: 1/1/2015 11:50:18 PM EDT
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I guess that's my cue to place that call.
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Posted: 1/2/2015 10:11:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The design of the 5.56mm isn't even finished yet, so I can't answer that, still too early in the process... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is there going to be a pre-order list for the 5.56 version? Interested in signing up if there is. The design of the 5.56mm isn't even finished yet, so I can't answer that, still too early in the process... We know you will work out the 5.56 design. A preorder list is a great idea. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 4:15:08 PM EDT
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My Form 4 check was just cashed a few days ago. Hopefully it'll be approved in April!
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Posted: 1/3/2015 6:26:09 PM EDT
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Nothing at all against manticore or ratworx but it amazes me that suppressors can be manufactured and sold to people outside of IL but not IL residents. Damn Illinois
Sorry, jealous second rate Illinoisan rant over Looks awesome
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Posted: 1/3/2015 8:58:16 PM EDT
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Nothing at all against manticore or ratworx but it amazes me that suppressors can be manufactured and sold to people outside of IL but not IL residents. Damn Illinois Sorry, jealous second rate Illinoisan rant over Looks awesome Just get an SOT. |
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Posted: 1/5/2015 1:04:05 PM EDT
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Nothing at all against manticore or ratworx but it amazes me that suppressors can be manufactured and sold to people outside of IL but not IL residents. Damn Illinois Sorry, jealous second rate Illinoisan rant over Looks awesome Just get an SOT. I looked into this and the municipality where I live has my house zoned residential...and they view any sort of business that generates even one walk in customer "commercial" and is thus prohibited. Since the ATF says you have to obey local laws, ordnances, and zoning...that put the kibosh on that idea real quickly. I asked the township if I could, within the ordnance, hold a Tupperware party and was told, "No...that's commercial and you're zoned residential." 
If there's a way around this, I'm all ears. |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 1:40:32 AM EDT
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Totally interested in the 5.56 model!
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Posted: 1/27/2015 7:56:27 AM EDT
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Any word on the fde colored one?.
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Posted: 2/1/2015 4:57:30 PM EDT
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I test fired my ZRX yesterday. Install was easy, and the gun looks great! Running Fiocchi 158gr ammo, I was pleased with the results. The suppressor does a great job! However, due to the shooter's ear being next to the ejection port and the bolt being in the stock, the perceived noise was much louder than my suppressed MP5. It's definitely hearing safe though. I watched a friend shoot the gun, and was pretty impressed! Looking forward to taking the setup home when my paperwork clears in about 3 months!
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