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Well. I was not here yesterday, so am I looking at a Tavor that runs Glock mags or is someone making a new BP that runs them? What gives? |
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Quoted: Well. I was not here yesterday, so am I looking at a Tavor that runs Glock mags or is someone making a new BP that runs them? What gives? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A day late with this one? That was my initial reaction Well. I was not here yesterday, so am I looking at a Tavor that runs Glock mags or is someone making a new BP that runs them? What gives? Could be a variety of the micro-tavor, though....i'm not sure how they'd fandangle that magwell to work with Glock mags. |
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It's not a micro tavor because the company isn't IWI.
It isn't a tavor because there is not a buttstock take down pin in their picture. If it were a tavor, which I don't believe it is, the bolt would have to be modified to ride over the magazine. The other problem would be how the heck do you release the magazines if it were a tavor. Now that I am firmly convinced it is not a tavor, nor a tavor conversion kit, it seems someone is about sell a truckload of these IF it is a quality product. Put me on the top of that list! |
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The height over bore is pretty substantial (not that it is going to matter with what I assume is 9mm).
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I can assure you it is not a Tavor. Tavor distributors would know about it before it showed up on a new Facebook page with no other info. It's just not how IWI rolls.
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I can't be the only one to remember Ratworx saying the MSAR PCC "Is going to happen"
Well here you go. I hope all you optimist on the pre-order list have your money ready to send. |
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OP post fail- What company is showing this on Facebook?
[ETA] Was able to ID it by the image info - www.gktac.com |
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Look how big the flash hider is compared to everything else in the picture...
april fools? |
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www.gktac.com is the company website. Not an april fools joke.
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I can't be the only one to remember Ratworx saying the MSAR PCC "Is going to happen" Well here you go. I hope all you optimist on the pre-order list have your money ready to send. View Quote RatWorx saw this for the first time today as well. The gun under the blanket does seem "familiar" at first glance. |
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Glock mags alone does not a "giant leap in the evolution" make it. Now if it's fully-locked breech ala SIG MPX, and takes Glock mags I will rip my pants pulling out my wallet!!!! 9mm AUG and 9mm Tavor mean "yet another blowback 9mm bullpup" better be competing on price... IMNSHO at least.
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Glock mags alone does not a "giant leap in the evolution" make it. Now if it's fully-locked breech ala SIG MPX, and takes Glock mags I will rip my pants pulling out my wallet!!!! 9mm AUG and 9mm Tavor mean "yet another blowback 9mm bullpup" better be competing on price... IMNSHO at least. Be interesting to watch though View Quote This. If it's just another blowback action, it won't be much in the way of revolutionary. |
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Agreed that price point, performance and compactness in a PCC will make or break it's usefullness and sales. While I love the AUG platform for 5.56 I have never liked the idea of it in 9mm. Not enough bang for the weight or the buck. While I know that I am speaking heresy (it's not a bullpup), but if you can find a Kel Tek Sub2K (even with the inflated prices) it will probably still be price competitive with this new carbine and meet realistic expectations of a PCC.
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If it's reliable, lightweight, takes G19 mags and under $1k I'd be seriously interested.
As is, I'm interested enough to keep tabs on this. |
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Ok my guesses,
MSAR .9MM High Tower said a while back in a post or an email that a PCBP maybe in the future. Ok last but not least............... MAGPUL! This is where I'm putting my money. |
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Ok last but not least............... MAGPUL! This is where I'm putting my money. So they can dick us over again like they did with the Masada? Would you, of all people, prefer it to be an MSAR? |
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The company is GK Tactical. The product is a stand alone product. I am told that once the patent process is finished an unveiling will happen. I think you all will be quite pleased.
There is an email address on the website and facebook page for information: [email protected] |
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In that case, hang out for 4-5 years because the USPTO is waaaaaaaaaayyyyyy behind. I've got filings 3-4 years old which haven't issued yet. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I am told that once the patent process is finished an unveiling will happen. In that case, hang out for 4-5 years because the USPTO is waaaaaaaaaayyyyyy behind. I've got filings 3-4 years old which haven't issued yet. Design or process patents? have any of yours gone to pending status yet? Provisional? |
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Ok last but not least............... MAGPUL! This is where I'm putting my money. So they can dick us over again like they did with the Masada? Would you, of all people, prefer it to be an MSAR? LOL! Hell no! |
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Don't you mean "so they can sell it to Freedom Group, who will dick us over again like they did with the mysterious weight- and cost-gaining, capability-losing ACR?" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Ok last but not least............... MAGPUL! This is where I'm putting my money. So they can dick us over again like they did with the Masada? No, I'm pretty sure I meant what I wrote. Anyone with half a brain knew that Bushmaster had "issues" bringing to market designs they licensed or bought, so generating the insane amount of hype when it was the "Magpul Masada", giving a target price and release window and then selling it to BFI is in my mind, dicking us over. |
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If it's reliable, lightweight, takes G19 mags and under $1k I'd be seriously interested. As is, I'm interested enough to keep tabs on this. I think you'll be pleased. Are you associated with the company being linked to? |
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Glock mags alone does not a "giant leap in the evolution" make it. Now if it's fully-locked breech ala SIG MPX, and takes Glock mags I will rip my pants pulling out my wallet!!!! 9mm AUG and 9mm Tavor mean "yet another blowback 9mm bullpup" better be competing on price... IMNSHO at least. Be interesting to watch though This. If it's just another blowback action, it won't be much in the way of revolutionary. This. Please don't be blowback. Blowback is easy, but it sucks. Please be some form of locked breech. |
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If it's reliable, lightweight, takes G19 mags and under $1k I'd be seriously interested. As is, I'm interested enough to keep tabs on this. I think you'll be pleased. Are you associated with the company being linked to? Please let us know? Louisiana? Red Jacket connection? At least confirm or deny. |
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If it's reliable, lightweight, takes G19 mags and under $1k I'd be seriously interested. As is, I'm interested enough to keep tabs on this. I think you'll be pleased. Are you associated with the company being linked to? Please let us know? Louisiana? Red Jacket connection? At least confirm or deny. Wasn't an ex RJ employee saying he would be making a bullpup? This was here??? |
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If it's reliable, lightweight, takes G19 mags and under $1k I'd be seriously interested. As is, I'm interested enough to keep tabs on this. I think you'll be pleased. Are you associated with the company being linked to? Please let us know? Louisiana? Red Jacket connection? At least confirm or deny. Wasn't an ex RJ employee saying he would be making a bullpup? This was here??? The suspense is killing me!!!! |
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In that case, hang out for 4-5 years because the USPTO is waaaaaaaaaayyyyyy behind. I've got filings 3-4 years old which haven't issued yet. Design or process patents? have any of yours gone to pending status yet? Provisional? I assume you mean design or utility: http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ido/oeip/taf/patdesc.htm Mine are all utility, couple dozen already issued, looking back I do believe there are a few still in process but since they're with a former employer I probably won't know anything until they actually issue. In any case it's typically 3-5 years from filing to issuance and can be a lot longer if you get an examiner who either doesn't understand your filing or takes issue with it. My employer decided not to fight for one where the examiner just was NOT getting the distinction between my concept and an existing patent (despite them being quite differentiable to even a layman), and I think that was 5-6 years before we gave up. (Still bugs me as there are now a ton of products on the market which would have been covered by my idea.) Feel free to PM if you have questions as I think we're heading afield of this thread :) Richard |
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As long as it's not one of those "rifles" that uses a Glock (or whichever) pistol inserted into its frame to make it a firearm. But I guess that wouldn't qualify as a bullpup.
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If it's reliable, lightweight, takes G19 mags and under $1k I'd be seriously interested. As is, I'm interested enough to keep tabs on this. I think you'll be pleased. Are you associated with the company being linked to? Please let us know? Louisiana? Red Jacket connection? At least confirm or deny. No connection other than being in the Bayou State too. ;) |
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I assume you mean design or utility: http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ido/oeip/taf/patdesc.htm Mine are all utility, couple dozen already issued, looking back I do believe there are a few still in process but since they're with a former employer I probably won't know anything until they actually issue. In any case it's typically 3-5 years from filing to issuance and can be a lot longer if you get an examiner who either doesn't understand your filing or takes issue with it. My employer decided not to fight for one where the examiner just was NOT getting the distinction between my concept and an existing patent (despite them being quite differentiable to even a layman), and I think that was 5-6 years before we gave up. (Still bugs me as there are now a ton of products on the market which would have been covered by my idea.) Feel free to PM if you have questions as I think we're heading afield of this thread :) Richard View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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In that case, hang out for 4-5 years because the USPTO is waaaaaaaaaayyyyyy behind. I've got filings 3-4 years old which haven't issued yet. Design or process patents? have any of yours gone to pending status yet? Provisional? I assume you mean design or utility: http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ido/oeip/taf/patdesc.htm Mine are all utility, couple dozen already issued, looking back I do believe there are a few still in process but since they're with a former employer I probably won't know anything until they actually issue. In any case it's typically 3-5 years from filing to issuance and can be a lot longer if you get an examiner who either doesn't understand your filing or takes issue with it. My employer decided not to fight for one where the examiner just was NOT getting the distinction between my concept and an existing patent (despite them being quite differentiable to even a layman), and I think that was 5-6 years before we gave up. (Still bugs me as there are now a ton of products on the market which would have been covered by my idea.) Feel free to PM if you have questions as I think we're heading afield of this thread :) Richard No problem. ;) |
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If it's reliable, lightweight, takes G19 mags and under $1k I'd be seriously interested. As is, I'm interested enough to keep tabs on this. I think you'll be pleased. Are you associated with the company being linked to? Please let us know? Louisiana? Red Jacket connection? At least confirm or deny. Wasn't an ex RJ employee saying he would be making a bullpup? This was here??? I don't know anything about that, but I can tell you GK Tactical is not affiliated with anyone from RJF. |
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Glock mags alone does not a "giant leap in the evolution" make it. Now if it's fully-locked breech ala SIG MPX, and takes Glock mags I will rip my pants pulling out my wallet!!!! 9mm AUG and 9mm Tavor mean "yet another blowback 9mm bullpup" better be competing on price... IMNSHO at least. Be interesting to watch though This. If it's just another blowback action, it won't be much in the way of revolutionary. This. Please don't be blowback. Blowback is easy, but it sucks. Please be some form of locked breech. Not a locked breech carbine. Otherwise price point would be well over 1k. |
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If it's reliable, lightweight, takes G19 mags and under $1k I'd be seriously interested. As is, I'm interested enough to keep tabs on this. I think you'll be pleased. Are you associated with the company being linked to? Yes - close in the neighborhood. |
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Quoted: Not a locked breech carbine. Otherwise price point would be well over 1k. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Glock mags alone does not a "giant leap in the evolution" make it. Now if it's fully-locked breech ala SIG MPX, and takes Glock mags I will rip my pants pulling out my wallet!!!! 9mm AUG and 9mm Tavor mean "yet another blowback 9mm bullpup" better be competing on price... IMNSHO at least. Be interesting to watch though This. If it's just another blowback action, it won't be much in the way of revolutionary. This. Please don't be blowback. Blowback is easy, but it sucks. Please be some form of locked breech. Not a locked breech carbine. Otherwise price point would be well over 1k. How is that a giant leap? Unless it will be available in quantity, which is a leap that no PCC manufacturer ever seems to make.....
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So....in that case it's just another bullpup PCC. But it takes Glock mags. How is that a giant leap? Unless it will be available in quantity, which is a leap that no PCC manufacturer ever seems to make..... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Glock mags alone does not a "giant leap in the evolution" make it. Now if it's fully-locked breech ala SIG MPX, and takes Glock mags I will rip my pants pulling out my wallet!!!! 9mm AUG and 9mm Tavor mean "yet another blowback 9mm bullpup" better be competing on price... IMNSHO at least. Be interesting to watch though This. If it's just another blowback action, it won't be much in the way of revolutionary. This. Please don't be blowback. Blowback is easy, but it sucks. Please be some form of locked breech. Not a locked breech carbine. Otherwise price point would be well over 1k. How is that a giant leap? Unless it will be available in quantity, which is a leap that no PCC manufacturer ever seems to make..... You'll have to wait to find out. ;) |
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So....in that case it's just another bullpup PCC. But it takes Glock mags. How is that a giant leap? Unless it will be available in quantity, which is a leap that no PCC manufacturer ever seems to make..... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Glock mags alone does not a "giant leap in the evolution" make it. Now if it's fully-locked breech ala SIG MPX, and takes Glock mags I will rip my pants pulling out my wallet!!!! 9mm AUG and 9mm Tavor mean "yet another blowback 9mm bullpup" better be competing on price... IMNSHO at least. Be interesting to watch though This. If it's just another blowback action, it won't be much in the way of revolutionary. This. Please don't be blowback. Blowback is easy, but it sucks. Please be some form of locked breech. Not a locked breech carbine. Otherwise price point would be well over 1k. How is that a giant leap? Unless it will be available in quantity, which is a leap that no PCC manufacturer ever seems to make..... How about the use of Beretta 92 mags? Like how the CX4 can change magwell to accommodate different mags. I have many of these mags. |
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[Not a locked breech carbine. Otherwise price point would be well over 1k. View Quote so? Marlin Camp carbine, Ruger PC, Beretta CX4, Keltec Sub-2000, Steyr AUG 9mm, CMMG, DDLES, LWD, the list goes on and on of blowback pistol caliber carbines. I wish any firearms endeavor good luck, but I can't imagine what they'd offer in blowback that would take my money. Steyr's there with a bullpup already with a huge lead in availability and an established reputation. We ban states folks are hampered by magazine limitations, but the Sig MPX will be "well over 1k" and I don't expect that will hamper their sales at all. If I could run Uzi/Colt or Beretta or Glock or Ruger or AUG 9mm mags in an MPX I'd be trampling little old ladies to get one. I've wanted a locked breech 9mm carbine ever since getting my Marlin Camp 9 ages ago. Anyway, as I said quite sincerely, best of luck! Richard |
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Best bet for a locked breech is still the MP5 or MKE. If they weren't so expensive, one could adapt that receiver into a bullpup since there isn't anything in the stock.
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Best bet for a locked breech is still the MP5 or MKE. If they weren't so expensive, one could adapt that receiver into a bullpup since there isn't anything in the stock. View Quote I did a little Solidworks tinkering a while back on an HK G11 style bullpup that would take GG mags parallel to the barrel, above or below. There are some complexities with the feeding, but it can be done, and it would be super compact without the footlong mag sticking out the bottom. It could be adapted to other calibers with stick mags as well. |
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