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v6pwr Member Joined: Jul 2010  TX, USA Posts: 200 Feedback: 100% (11) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/1/2012 5:24:21 PM yes, twigs, branches, snakes, acorns, forks, welding rods, coins, pocket lint...and many other things can potentially jam into the tiny slots and jam up the spring loaded rounds. so, please don't buy these ridiculous so-called "tacticool" shotguns. leaves more of a chance for me to pick one up
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finishman2000 Member Joined: Oct 2004  PA, USA Posts: 1991 Feedback: 100% (45) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/1/2012 8:04:09 PM i think i'll stick with my M-1 or my 590
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KS-Diesel Member Joined: Mar 2010  KS, USA Posts: 401 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/2/2012 11:33:07 PM [Last Edit: 6/3/2012 8:36:04 AM by KS-Diesel] .......
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wfctrc Member Joined: Feb 2009  VA, USA Posts: 455 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/3/2012 8:06:58 AM The GB auction for UTS-15 is back up. 25 shotguns are available.
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wfctrc Member Joined: Feb 2009  VA, USA Posts: 458 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/3/2012 11:02:53 AM Originally Posted By suprapvb: Nice pics - how are you liking it so far? Dont get mine for about another 2 weeks. cant wait. comes with flip up sights, and the breaching choke. Light and laser not ready yet. Should be a couple of months Im told and the price is expected to be under $200. I will be getting that when its available.
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ATLANTIC-FIREARMS Member Industry Partner Joined: Dec 2002  MD, USA Posts: 2659 Feedback: 100% (26) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/3/2012 4:20:43 PM [Last Edit: 6/3/2012 4:21:40 PM by ATLANTIC-FIREARMS] Atlantic Firearms will be a distributor for these shotguns and will be doing a You Tube video review in the next few weeks we will post it here for further info on this new product .
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Posted: 6/3/2012 6:25:03 PM Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: Atlantic Firearms will be a distributor for these shotguns and will be doing a You Tube video review in the next few weeks we will post it here for further info on this new product . http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/data/default/images/catalog/large/UTS15.jpg Do you know if UTAS Is planning on continuing the Direct sales via GB? Or will they be transitioning over to a traditional distribution chain model with the UTS-15 being sold through LGS?

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Posted: 6/19/2012 5:45:35 AM this just in from BULLPUP Forum Here's the response from Ted: The UTS-15 does have an open magazine tube at present, but we’re already working on tooling to enclose it. But first let me explain the evolution of the magazine loading system on the UTS-15. Originally, we were going to have tip up magazines that could be loaded from the rear. However, with controlled feed, shell release gates it was impossible to load the mag tubes from the end and tip-up tubes with an incorporated top rail for sights would be a poor design as well. Consequently, we designed loading port doors so shell could be loaded in front of the shell feed gates, but that in turn required us to design the follower with the spring plunger, so that adequate spring force could be exerted on the last shell out of the mag tube during cycling. So, to load the magazines, the magazine followers had to be moved out of the way in some manner. The original design had handles on the magazine followers which allowed then to be run to the forward end of the magazine and rotated down into a cut in the magazine tube to secure them, with the additional benefit of allowing for the numbered cartridge counter system on the side covers. This system allowed shells to be loaded very quickly, however if a follower was released accidently with the magazine spring fully compressed it could damage the monobloc or perhaps even break a finger. A new solution was devised where a spring loaded shell stop mounted in the monobloc extended into the magazine tube when the loading port door was opened and extracted when the door is closed. This new system allowed the UTS-15 to be loaded much like any other shotgun and the handle on the follower to be removed. However, the base of the handle was left in place to act as a stop to keep the mag follower from running clear out following the last shell; this in turn left the slot in the magazine tube and the cartridge counter element in place. The open slot in the magazine did not concern us to begin with because the UTS-15 was originally designed for police use in a urban setting and we liked the cartridge counter element. However, international feedback from such folks as the Kuwait Special Forces and concerns from other countries as well, has caused us to work on a solution that would completely enclose the magazine tube, but also keep the cartridge counter element as well. To enclose the magazine tube but still allow for a magazine follower that stopped at the monobloc and provide some way to keep count of the number of remaining shells in the tube, called for an innovative solution. That solution turned out to be magazine tubes of a clear polymer with a special viewing window running the entire length, that would completely fill the space between the side cover and the top rail. Injecting long thin walled tubing was a big concern, but after studying the proposed design our polymer engineers said it was doable and that the technical polymer recommended would produce magazine tubes of superior strength. As of today the magazine mold is about 90% completed, however that means the mold will come on line in 60 to 90 days if all goes well, but from our experience in polymer, no matter what the engineers say there is still a chance that it won’t work. In the mean time we’ll continue to produce the UTS-15 with the open slot magazine tubes, but when the new polymer tubes come on line we’ll give a set and the followers to anyone that has open magazine tubes and wants to change over. Sincerely, Ted Hatfield, Director of Product Development & Manufacturing UTAS-USA Des Plaines, IL

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wfctrc Member Joined: Feb 2009  VA, USA Posts: 467 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/19/2012 5:47:50 AM This is from the KTOG forum from one of our Canadian frends who has access to both UTS-15 and KSG
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HardShell Just happy to be here! Moderator Joined: Sep 2002  AL, USA Posts: 35211 Feedback: 100% (68) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/19/2012 8:20:14 AM Originally Posted By wfctrc: This is from the KTOG forum from one of our Canadian frends who has access to both UTS-15 and KSG http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o354/DmitriG/My%20Guns/UTS-15%20vs%20KSG/P6101284.jpg Well, if nothing else, the UTS-15 does accomplish the near-impossible... it makes the KSG look almost sleek. (Not that I'd turn down either one, FTR.)
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Icopy Member Joined: Jun 2004  OH, USA Posts: 565 Feedback: 100% (34) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/19/2012 8:26:21 AM Maybe I'll get one next year once the enclosed mag tubes are in place. Also would like to see how the weapon performs after some use. I've been an early adapter on new products and have had some bad experiences. The MSAR LTD was one of them.
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wfctrc Member Joined: Feb 2009  VA, USA Posts: 469 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/24/2012 7:06:35 AM Looks like the second group of UTS-15's sold out on gunbroker, I Just talked to the people at UTAS and they are boxing up completed Shotguns for shipment. Congrats to those of you who got one of the first 75 shotguns. Looks like from here on out it will be a normal distribution chain to your LGS.
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Phoenix_III Member Joined: May 2002  PA, USA Posts: 859 Feedback: 94% (17) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/26/2012 4:04:00 PM Not so, they are back on GB too with like 20+ more. You can also pre-order from an online site for <1k price tag. No sights though.
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35mm_Shooter Member Team Member Joined: Apr 2011  USA Posts: 1228 Feedback: 100% (3) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/26/2012 4:28:55 PM Originally Posted By Phoenix_III: Not so, they are back on GB too with like 20+ more. You can also pre-order from an online site for <1k price tag. No sights though. What site is that?
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Phoenix_III Member Joined: May 2002  PA, USA Posts: 861 Feedback: 94% (17) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/28/2012 8:33:30 AM Originally Posted By 35mm_Shooter: Originally Posted By Phoenix_III: Not so, they are back on GB too with like 20+ more. You can also pre-order from an online site for <1k price tag. No sights though. What site is that? Google it. somethibg arms... Rockwell maybe. If you really can't find it I will go back but make fun of you.
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gbosh Member Joined: Apr 2009  USA Posts: 191 Feedback: 100% (58) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/28/2012 8:52:09 AM Rockwell Arms
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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:26:03 PM [Last Edit: 6/28/2012 4:44:03 PM by wfctrc] When the KSG first came out I got in on a preorder for a fantastic Price of less than $700. I was number 50 on their list. After about 3 months I calculated At the rate they were recieving KSG's I was looking at a five year wait. I was able to cancel my order at no charge. The $25 non refundable pre order charge is a nice touch. I hope people that buy from this site actually get their guns.

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Blackfire The Skinwalker Guy Team Member Joined: Oct 2009  UT, USA Posts: 3496 Feedback: 100% (7) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/4/2012 3:10:43 AM This an the Saiga-12 are the only shotguns that I'm interested in. I'll never own Kel-Tec's shit. I'm not worried about anything getting in the magazine tubes because I consider shotguns to be urban weapons.
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xdmikey Member Team Member Joined: Jun 2007  TX, USA Posts: 2475 Feedback: 100% (68) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/4/2012 9:45:01 AM Originally Posted By finishman2000: i think i'll stick with my M-1 or my 590 Kind of leaning this way myself although I like the idea of it!
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xdmikey Member Team Member Joined: Jun 2007  TX, USA Posts: 2476 Feedback: 100% (68) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/4/2012 9:46:20 AM [Last Edit: 7/4/2012 10:09:49 AM by xdmikey] Originally Posted By wfctrc: The GB auction for UTS-15 is back up. 25 shotguns are available. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-nygF76xT4lM/T67ElwUsMgI/AAAAAAAADSs/3Si_8k_9cdk/w494-h328-n-k/IMG_8639.JPG Do you remember the price? Ne'mind, I didn't read far enough!
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wfctrc Member Joined: Feb 2009  VA, USA Posts: 476 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/5/2012 10:04:02 PM The first US made UTS-15's have shipped. Tracking numbers are going out.
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Icopy Member Joined: Jun 2004  OH, USA Posts: 580 Feedback: 100% (34) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/6/2012 7:32:39 AM Whoever purchased theirs already, please post pics and a range report.
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SnapperAR Member Joined: Jun 2012  OH, USA Posts: 1 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/7/2012 1:17:31 AM I will post pics and what I've learned about the UTS-15. I get mine Tues.
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Phoenix_III Member Joined: May 2002  PA, USA Posts: 865 Feedback: 94% (17) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/10/2012 8:58:52 AM That's today! Interested!
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anyshorty Member Team Member Joined: Mar 2004  WA, USA Posts: 356 Feedback: 100% (36) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/11/2012 10:52:05 PM [Last Edit: 7/11/2012 10:52:19 PM by anyshorty] ok where are the pics
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