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Posted: 7/28/2017 2:52:50 PM EDT
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I use Universal Clays, flows easily and haven't noticed any issues of being dirty.
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Posted: 7/28/2017 4:12:30 PM EDT
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AA2 will be similar in burn rate(fast) to bullseye but will flow much easier. AA5 will also work but closer in burn to unique and likes to be run on the higher side of load data, flows like water.
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Posted: 7/28/2017 4:16:29 PM EDT
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True Blue.
I have led many to see the light. |
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Posted: 7/28/2017 4:18:00 PM EDT
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True Blue. I have led many to see the light. Great powder. I buy all I can when I find it. |
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Posted: 7/28/2017 4:29:44 PM EDT
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I only use TiteGroup, i only know dirty powder
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Posted: 7/28/2017 4:35:06 PM EDT
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I like hodgdon clays.
Used it in my 38 Special loads when shooting SSR to keep the ole wheel gun clean and running smooth. Was very happy with it. |
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Posted: 7/28/2017 5:14:06 PM EDT
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I like hodgdon clays. Used it in my 38 Special loads when shooting SSR to keep the ole wheel gun clean and running smooth. Was very happy with it. |
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Posted: 7/28/2017 5:20:10 PM EDT
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I only use TiteGroup, i only know dirty powder Me too.
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Posted: 7/28/2017 10:33:02 PM EDT
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Obviously you have not been to the unique Church of using that stuff on almost all handgun cartridges
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Posted: 7/28/2017 10:41:34 PM EDT
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I've really been liking Nobel Sport Prima V. Clean, inexpensive, accurate metering, thrifty on charge weights.
My 9mm loads with coated lead bullets shoot as well as anything. Graf's has it... |
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Posted: 7/28/2017 10:45:42 PM EDT
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Unique is less filthy than it used to be. TiteGroup isn't particularly filthy, but it's not really "clean" either. True Blue is VERY clean. Another big plus for True Blue is that it isn't a "ball type" powder, it's actually tiny spheres. It meters like water, and if your powder measure is at all workable, it should be dead-on accurate every time.
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Posted: 7/28/2017 11:38:23 PM EDT
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My favorite is Winchester 231.
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Posted: 7/28/2017 11:40:27 PM EDT
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Unique is less filthy than it used to be. TiteGroup isn't particularly filthy, but it's not really "clean" either. True Blue is VERY clean. Another big plus for True Blue is that it isn't a "ball type" powder, it's actually tiny spheres. It meters like water, and if your powder measure is at all workable, it should be dead-on accurate every time. 
True Blue can do it all, light charges to full power with cast, powder coated, plated and jacketed bullets. 120 gr home cast powder coated bullet and 5.0 grs True Blue is a sweet shooting load. 6.6 grs would be max in this weight bullet. $19.99 in stock now at Grafs. 
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Posted: 7/28/2017 11:44:46 PM EDT
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WST burns pretty clean
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Posted: 7/29/2017 1:31:47 AM EDT
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I second WST. Great fast burning powder for target loads.
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Posted: 7/29/2017 3:30:33 AM EDT
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3 for WST
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Posted: 7/29/2017 6:36:31 AM EDT
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Well True Blue huh. See, that's why I ask you guys! I would not have thought about it! I've heard good things about wst, clays etc before too.
I haven't loaded much pistol for the past few years and have used VV, but, I switched to an rcbs powder measure in my hornady lnl and it just does not do well with that shape of powder. Also it hurt that when I switched to using a MR bullet feeder I couldn't see the case when loading due to how I have my dies set up. I switched back to the Hornady. But the easy to flow cfe just doesn't seem that great in terms of cleanliness at lower than max loads. |
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Posted: 7/29/2017 7:19:19 AM EDT
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Another vote here for Prima V. Very clean and uses similar charge weights as N320 at half the price.
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Posted: 7/29/2017 1:48:57 PM EDT
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Clean burning loads come down to two things,
The first is a powder that burns clean, and the second is getting enough working pressure and the power burning up before the bullet leaves the barrel for a clean burn in the first place. So really, figure out what speeds you want to run, then figure out the fastest burning powders that will give you close to full SAAMI with that load for that bullet speed that will do a complete burn before the bullet leaves the barrel, then lastly, which of these powders are going to do a full complete burn with the least amount of soot. In USPSA loads to achieve MP of 165, its N-320 for 40, and Clays for 45. In 9mm and USPSA, you can't run it as a major power factor for limited class, and instead becomes a 9mm major loaded to make MP in the unlimited class (not only to make major power factor, but enough gas pressure out the barrel comp to make it work as well). Now if you going to run the 9mm at a minor power factor (only has to make 125mpf), then Ram shot true blue is the ticket instead. With both 115 and 124 bullet, its putting you on the edge of standard pressure, and just starting to touch the +p pressures in some cases for that complete burn with full pressures before the bullet leaves the barrel. http://www.ramshot.com/load-data/ |
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Posted: 7/29/2017 2:16:55 PM EDT
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I just don't think I did enough of this sort of thinking before buying 2lb of cfe : /
I just bought 1lb of True Blue from my local guy (and also 1500 Fiocci small pistol primers to try out later). I'll try to load up a few and chrono it today, but this morning I just got off a 2 week block of 74 hours per week working nights at the hospital. This is why I never have time to fiddle around too much with different loads. I need you guys for help! Also I like that this powder is on Quickload unlike CFE pistol. My local guy also has most of the Nobel powders but I may try that later. |
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Posted: 7/29/2017 6:01:29 PM EDT
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I have used CFE pistol for 9mm, it works fine.
during the 8 years of oppression, at times, it was the only powder I could find. I ended up liking it It's kina like a cleaner UNIQUE |
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Posted: 7/29/2017 6:36:21 PM EDT
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My favorite is Winchester 231. |
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Posted: 7/29/2017 6:44:45 PM EDT
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Dirtiest powder I ever used. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My favorite is Winchester 231. 
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Posted: 7/29/2017 7:34:38 PM EDT
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CFE Pistol
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Posted: 7/29/2017 10:15:26 PM EDT
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CFE Pistol I have found both to burn very clean. However, they also do not burn completely. I have two big matches and a local match on my USPSA Limited G35 and it looks like it has ran less than a 100 rounds of Titegroup. I like the slower powders because they burn clean and feel like they have a softer push on recoil. I don't care that I might be pushing un-burned powder towards the target. |
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Posted: 7/29/2017 10:33:45 PM EDT
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Clean shot and WST are my faves. Bullseye is good too but I wouldn't call it clean...
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Posted: 7/29/2017 11:11:59 PM EDT
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3 for WST |
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Posted: 7/29/2017 11:17:08 PM EDT
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I just don't think I did enough of this sort of thinking before buying 2lb of cfe ... I just got off a 2 week block of 74 hours per week working nights at the hospital. 2 blocks of 74h per week? Resident? |
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Posted: 7/30/2017 12:40:13 AM EDT
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I liked my first powder of CFE so much I bought 8 more pounds. 2 blocks of 74h per week? Resident?  , puts a damper on my shooting
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Posted: 7/30/2017 12:52:46 AM EDT
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Love WST in 45. Why doesn't Hodgdon lists it in 9? Where are you all getting data? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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3 for WST |
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Posted: 7/30/2017 1:04:25 AM EDT
[#31]
Me Too!! Love me some Titegroup
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Posted: 7/30/2017 7:43:28 AM EDT
[#32]
AutoComp works great at higher pressures.
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Posted: 7/30/2017 11:26:13 AM EDT
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Love WST in 45. Why doesn't Hodgdon lists it in 9? Where are you all getting data? HORNADY 4th edition has it. 
115gr WST 5.2 - 5.6gr --------------------------- 124gr 4.8 - 5.4gr |
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Posted: 7/30/2017 2:05:57 PM EDT
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I have used Bullseye for a very long time and I have never had issues with it being dirty when loaded to the proper pressures.
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Posted: 7/30/2017 4:54:39 PM EDT
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One of the disciples of light checking in. Been awhile since I've posted here.
Everyone has already covered it.
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Posted: 7/30/2017 10:45:53 PM EDT
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One of the disciples of light checking in. Been awhile since I've posted here. Everyone has already covered it.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/218019/Funshow-score-6-28-14-266977.JPG
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Posted: 7/30/2017 11:09:13 PM EDT
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I called hogdon/winchester once and asked them why no 9mmWST, they said they just never got around to it. HORNADY 4th edition has it. http://i.imgur.com/XaJxY9r.jpg 115gr WST 5.2 - 5.6gr --------------------------- 124gr 4.8 - 5.4gr Thanks for sharing. |
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Posted: 7/30/2017 11:09:23 PM EDT
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How full is a 9mm case with True Blue? Impossible to double charge?
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Posted: 7/30/2017 11:44:34 PM EDT
[#39]
I have shot a lot of Titegroup over the years. Accurate and not that dirty with 147g bullets. Meters very well.
I will have to try True Blue sometime. |
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Posted: 7/30/2017 11:50:11 PM EDT
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How full is a 9mm case with True Blue? Impossible to double charge? |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 1:33:21 PM EDT
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I have shot a lot of Titegroup over the years. Accurate and not that dirty with 147g bullets. Meters very well. I will have to try True Blue sometime. As far as dirty, so long as the gun doesn't get so filthy it won't cycle, I'm not worried about how clean something is as I'm going to clean the cases and clean the gun when I'm done anyway. The exception is unburnt powder. It's a pet peeve of mine and I hate it and is the reason I won't use Universal anymore. Multiple loads in 9mm, .45 ACP, .38 Special, .44 Special, and 12ga... ALL resulted in unburnt powder. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 1:47:20 PM EDT
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Titegroup
Clean is a function of pressure too . . . |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 2:34:02 PM EDT
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Win 231. $18.90 a pound. (for 124 and 115 pills) Win Autocomp for 147gr.
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Posted: 7/31/2017 5:48:03 PM EDT
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Well just chrono'ed my first loads with TrueBlue and I am lovin it! Thanks Dryflash! It is insanely nice measuring, not smokey. It seems like my loads with VV powder, but a million times better to measure. Exactly what I was looking for. I may try to load a little higher to max, but after inputting higher temps in quickload I worry about it getting to high on hot Kansas days.
Additionally why I am wanting clean isn't so much for regular pistol shooting its also for suppressed from time to time. For my subs though I may do small batches with N320 still. I used my post-nightfloat day off well ; ) |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 6:03:37 PM EDT
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Well just chrono'ed my first loads with TrueBlue and I am lovin it! Thanks Dryflash! It is insanely nice measuring, not smokey. It seems like my loads with VV powder, but a million times better to measure. Exactly what I was looking for. I may try to load a little higher to max, but after inputting higher temps in quickload I worry about it getting to high on hot Kansas days. Additionally why I am wanting clean isn't so much for regular pistol shooting its also for suppressed from time to time. For my subs though I may do small batches with N320 still. I used my post-nightfloat day off well ; )
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Posted: 7/31/2017 10:33:52 PM EDT
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That mirrors my thoughts exactly. I hate working up new loads and 4.2gr of Titegroup under 124gr of just about anything I can cram in the case shoots well in everything I've put it through. As far as dirty, so long as the gun doesn't get so filthy it won't cycle, I'm not worried about how clean something is as I'm going to clean the cases and clean the gun when I'm done anyway. The exception is unburnt powder. It's a pet peeve of mine and I hate it and is the reason I won't use Universal anymore. Multiple loads in 9mm, .45 ACP, .38 Special, .44 Special, and 12ga... ALL resulted in unburnt powder. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have shot a lot of Titegroup over the years. Accurate and not that dirty with 147g bullets. Meters very well. I will have to try True Blue sometime. As far as dirty, so long as the gun doesn't get so filthy it won't cycle, I'm not worried about how clean something is as I'm going to clean the cases and clean the gun when I'm done anyway. The exception is unburnt powder. It's a pet peeve of mine and I hate it and is the reason I won't use Universal anymore. Multiple loads in 9mm, .45 ACP, .38 Special, .44 Special, and 12ga... ALL resulted in unburnt powder. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 11:00:03 PM EDT
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Anyone run true blue with 147's and suppressor? How did it sound?
Been using N320 for that and they are REALLY quiet, but looking for something similar at less cost... already have some TB, just looking for feedback from anyone who has tried it with a suppressor, especially with a SBR.... |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 11:07:06 PM EDT
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Anyone run true blue with 147's and suppressor? How did it sound? Been using N320 for that and they are REALLY quiet, but looking for something similar at less cost... already have some TB, just looking for feedback from anyone who has tried it with a suppressor, especially with a SBR.... |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 12:01:37 PM EDT
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Anyone run true blue with 147's and suppressor? How did it sound? Been using N320 for that and they are REALLY quiet, but looking for something similar at less cost... already have some TB, just looking for feedback from anyone who has tried it with a suppressor, especially with a SBR.... But.. it is an interesting clean burning powder so I would love to hear a review suppressed. I did try it in my Coonan (357mag). I was desperately trying every powder I could to see what would cycle action. Cycles great with suppressor off but I cant get any powder to work suppressed yet. Going to test more springs next. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 12:45:10 PM EDT
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yep, for a suppressor, you want something from the top of the burn rate chart
 Attached Filesomething fast burning |
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