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Posted: 7/20/2017 4:01:25 AM EDT
I got this Lee Pro Auto Disk Powder Measure, I know it is not the best, and I will be buying later a good one (redding), but for now, I still want to give it a shot and try to do my first reload with it.
I am loading a .223 with Hornady bullet with recommended Min. charge of 24.8 gr and my powder is CFE-223. My problem is, as you know that PM has that paper showing different loads and appropriate disk size for each load, so since my powder is CFE-223 from Hodgon, I am looking at that data, but there is no CFE-223 powder in the provided table which came with this PM: 
Now.. how would you recommend me to set up this disks to make the PM do the load I showed above? |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:49:49 AM EDT
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you will have to try different disc combinations to get close. you will also have to have the double disc kit and use two disc's to get enough for rifle powder. I use two #88 disc's with 8208XBR and get 24.0.
I have found that the chart is off and you have to try disc's on either side of the ones called for to get even close. The new Lee powder measure is alot better than the disc and infinitely adjustable. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:27:23 AM EDT
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I got this Lee Pro Auto Disk Powder Measure, I know it is not the best, and I will be buying later a good one (redding), but for now, I still want to give it a shot and try to do my first reload with it. I am loading a .223 with Hornady bullet with recommended Min. charge of 24.8 gr and my powder is CFE-223. My problem is, as you know that PM has that paper showing different loads and appropriate disk size for each load, so since my powder is CFE-223 from Hodgon, I am looking at that data, but there is no CFE-223 powder in the provided table which came with this PM: http://i.imgur.com/H9Gqk8M.jpg Now.. how would you recommend me to set up this disks to make the PM do the load I showed above? CFE 223 has only been out a couple of years and your chart is not up to date, so you have to do things the hard way. Once you are close; Easy to get the exact charge you want, will just take some fiddling. Use the next larger disc combo and place cut pieces of masking take and place inside the disc to decrease the volume. Add tape, check the throw, adjust amount of tape as needed. As for no disc combo for your charge, you will have to experiment with combos of discs and see what the combo drops. CFE 223 has only been out a couple of years and your chart is not up to date. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 1:36:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:11:05 PM EDT
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Use the VMD here has a start point.
http://leeprecision.com/cgi-data/instruct/VMD.pdf .06462 CFE 223 vol cc = gr * VMD, so 24gr*.06462 = 1.551 cc - as a start, as stated you may need to go up or down in vol to get what you want. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 3:57:08 AM EDT
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i am confused, what I am using "cc" for? I know Volume cc = gr x VMD, but what is cc for in my case? If I am correct neither PM nor load data is in cc, or what am I missing?
Derek, I'll get that adjustable thingy from midway then, but, do I still need Lee Double Disk kit if I get that stuff? |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 7:50:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:....Derek, I'll get that adjustable thingy from midway then, but, do I still need Lee Double Disk kit if I get that stuff? http://leeprecision.com/adj-charge-bar.html " Adjustable between .28 cc and 1.6 cc " |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 8:47:12 AM EDT
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Through that chart away, it's pretty much useless.
Powder volume is going to change with the weather, usually not much but it can be enough to cause problems. Get a good scale, adjust disk sizes till you get close to what you want, and load away. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 11:17:25 AM EDT
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i am confused, what I am using "cc" for? I know Volume cc = gr x VMD, but what is cc for in my case? If I am correct neither PM nor load data is in cc, or what am I missing? Derek, I'll get that adjustable thingy from midway then, but, do I still need Lee Double Disk kit if I get that stuff? So looking at a disk you see a mark that is 0.32 THATS 0.32 cc So based on above, you look for 2 disks where the holes add up to 1.55cc, like a 0.80 + 0.75. OR if you are using the other lee measure, you set the dial, or bar to 1.55 and try it. Also when starting like this, I would in fact simply take the 2 disks, and a piece of cardstock on a flat table away from the ac. Stack the disks, and fill the cavity with powder by hand. Then remove the disks and let the power pile into clean cardstock. Dump this into the pan and weigh it. Use this to get 'close', then setup the measure and run 10 dumps, etc. Keep Notes. As many said the charts are off, soon you will be able to use your notes to get better at a starting guess. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 11:20:17 AM EDT
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I don't think it would work, doubled up. not sure. http://leeprecision.com/adj-charge-bar.html " Adjustable between .28 cc and 1.6 cc " It is not recommended for use in a double stack. THe disks really are the simplest way. Or the new one thats adjustable. I have the old perfect powder measure and its pretty good once setup and wiped with anti-static. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 2:53:06 PM EDT
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I'd contact Lee to see if they have data for CFE-223 available.
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Posted: 7/21/2017 3:11:28 PM EDT
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Id just set it aside and buy an AutoDrum...
They actually cost less than the disk version and work a heck of alot better and if I remember right, you can use most of the stuff from the disk on the drum like risers and such. And honestly, the Lee drum probably throws as good charge as the Redding, so dont waste your money. If you really want a steel powder drop, just buy a Hornady. There are reasons to buy Redding equipment, and the powder drop isnt one of them. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 4:50:30 PM EDT
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Id just set it aside and buy an AutoDrum...
They actually cost less than the disk version and work a heck of alot better and if I remember right, you can use most of the stuff from the disk on the drum like risers and such. And honestly, the Lee drum probably throws as good charge as the Redding, so dont waste your money. If you really want a steel powder drop, just buy a Hornady. There are reasons to buy Redding equipment, and the powder drop isnt one of them. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 5:01:04 PM EDT
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Have you ever use a Redding measure? 
Polished with red rouge and waxed. I will say the casting is probably not as nice as the Redding though. But it is dead nuts accurate. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 5:07:37 PM EDT
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Id just set it aside and buy an AutoDrum...
They actually cost less than the disk version and work a heck of alot better and if I remember right, you can use most of the stuff from the disk on the drum like risers and such. .... |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 6:29:03 PM EDT
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I really like my Autodrum. Once you get the tension screw set it is very repeatable with little to no leakage. The autodisk is now gathering dust. I need to get some extra drums and set them up for my favorite loads...
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Posted: 7/22/2017 12:03:21 AM EDT
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I dont need to. My tuned and polished Hornady will hang right with a Redding all day long. .05gr or less deviation on 10 and 20 throw tests is good enough with ball and short cut extruded powders. I will safely say that the Lee when setup correctly can do that as well. http://i.imgur.com/NakUsf7.jpg Polished with red rouge and waxed. I will say the casting is probably not as nice as the Redding though. But it is dead nuts accurate. I also have a polished Hornady PM. |
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Posted: 7/22/2017 12:56:36 PM EDT
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If you never used a Redding, your comments are invalid. I also have a polished Hornady PM. The reality is if they both smoothly throw with .05gr consistency, what's the real difference? Absolutely nothing other than the price tag. I'll admit the Redding probably has a nicer micrometer adjustment. But I don't change mine very often as I don't build loads with a powder drop and I keep multiple inserts marked with certain loads that I load all the time. I do own the Hornady micrometer adjustable inserts and while they work, they are simply just OK. At this point, I'm going to politely disagree and step away. |
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Posted: 7/22/2017 8:45:51 PM EDT
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OP, I think this might be what you are looking for. Volumecc=grainsofpowderxVMD
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Posted: 7/22/2017 10:06:50 PM EDT
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Id just set it aside and buy an AutoDrum...
They actually cost less than the disk version and work a heck of alot better and if I remember right, you can use most of the stuff from the disk on the drum like risers and such. .... I am really happy with my Autodrum. |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 12:46:32 AM EDT
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what I do not quite get is.. do I need to buy Lee Double Disk Kit to experiment with 2 disks?
Because, I already have several disks included with that Lee PM... so can't I stack them? I am actually looking at it now... |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 12:55:25 AM EDT
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I understand that you can stack them. No experience, been watching Youtube videos and reading and that is what it appears that you need to do.
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Posted: 7/23/2017 12:59:55 AM EDT
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actually...from this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1OelxaGuAo&t=1s it seems that I need some sort of a "wings" which go with it... so I think I'll have to buy that kit anyway... well it's ok... Also I figured I need a rifle charging die.. lol for some reason I thought when I bought Lee dies it was included there, but it isnt, it only has full length die, collet neck die, bullet seating die and crimp die... |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 10:52:09 AM EDT
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actually...from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1OelxaGuAo&t=1s it seems that I need some sort of a "wings" which go with it... so I think I'll have to buy that kit anyway... well it's ok... Also I figured I need a rifle charging die.. lol for some reason I thought when I bought Lee dies it was included there, but it isnt, it only has full length die, collet neck die, bullet seating die and crimp die... My vote would be the auto drum. Save the disc measure for pistol reloading. |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 5:02:26 AM EDT
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So I just need to purchase Lee Auto Drum PM now? And I am all set to reload .223 with CFE-223?
Can you tell me what else would I need for Lee Auto Drum maybe? any other accessory needed? Will that Auto drum PM fit in my 4 hole turret classic Lee press and make all procedures as a sequential operation? Because if not... I would I guess add $140 and buy that Redding thingy maybe which dryflash3 suggested? And then ill save my Auto Disk PM for pistol stuff on same press? |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 12:38:35 PM EDT
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So I just need to purchase Lee Auto Drum PM now? And I am all set to reload .223 with CFE-223? Can you tell me what else would I need for Lee Auto Drum maybe? any other accessory needed? Will that Auto drum PM fit in my 4 hole turret classic Lee press and make all procedures as a sequential operation? Because if not... I would I guess add $140 and buy that Redding thingy maybe which dryflash3 suggested? And then ill save my Auto Disk PM for pistol stuff on same press? As in you would want to mount it to your bench and drop powder into cases in a loading block off the press. You can get the Lee equipment to work if you fiddle with it enough. I hope some of the Lee folks show up in this thread to help, as I don't know Lee equipment. |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 12:46:47 PM EDT
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So I just need to purchase Lee Auto Drum PM now? And I am all set to reload .223 with CFE-223? Can you tell me what else would I need for Lee Auto Drum maybe? any other accessory needed? Will that Auto drum PM fit in my 4 hole turret classic Lee press and make all procedures as a sequential operation? Because if not... I would I guess add $140 and buy that Redding thingy maybe which dryflash3 suggested? And then ill save my Auto Disk PM for pistol stuff on same press? |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 1:07:52 PM EDT
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OP......
Dude,if you want/need a double disc kit send me your address and I'll ship you one.No charge. I no longer reload and have several auto disc units that I used on various presses. IM or email me... Dana |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 6:12:32 PM EDT
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So I just need to purchase Lee Auto Drum PM now? And I am all set to reload .223 with CFE-223? Can you tell me what else would I need for Lee Auto Drum maybe? any other accessory needed? Will that Auto drum PM fit in my 4 hole turret classic Lee press and make all procedures as a sequential operation? Because if not... I would I guess add $140 and buy that Redding thingy maybe which dryflash3 suggested? And then ill save my Auto Disk PM for pistol stuff on same press? |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 6:53:23 PM EDT
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OP, you'll want a Rifle Charging Die if you don't already have one.
Whether you use the auto drum OR auto disc. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 4:11:48 AM EDT
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OP...... Dude,if you want/need a double disc kit send me your address and I'll ship you one.No charge. I no longer reload and have several auto disc units that I used on various presses. IM or email me... Dana Alright guys, I guess Ill just do almost as Bronsonburner has it in his setup: Press #1: Lee Breech Lock Reloader Single Stage Press This is used with unversal decapping die, to decap first before wet tumble Press #2: Lee Breech Lock Reloader Single Stage Press Same press as in #1, but for use with Lee Full Length sizing die for .223 Press #3: Lee Classic 4 Hole Turret Press This will be used in configuration which Bronsonburner has: Hole #1: Empty hole with Lee Safety Prime Small Hole #2: Lee Auto-Disk, Auto-Drum Rifle Powder Charging Die attached to Lee Auto-Drum Powder Measure and Lee Auto-Disk Powder Measure Riser (Or I do not need this last one since I am about to use auto-drum?) Hole #3: Lee easy Adjust Deadlength Bullet seating die Hole #4: Lee factory crimp die Does everything sound good? I have now 2 questions: 1) Will press used in #1 for decapping also work for a Lee die for full length sizing? 2) Can I still somehow fit sizing die in Turret press and have it not to interfere with priming? |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 8:15:49 AM EDT
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With any turret press, you buy one press and change out the shellplates to change the function. In your case 1 press, 3 shellplates.
If your going to buy 3 Lee presses, upgrade to a higher quality press and equipment instead. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 10:58:00 AM EDT
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OP all of those things can be done with one press. Take out the bar for rotating the turret and it will function as a single stage. The turrets and bar pop right in and out.
You will probably need the charging dies, long and short, for the auto disk measure, I believe. The die sets do not come with them. I will probably get etxra for each turret so I can leave them in. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 11:54:58 AM EDT
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one more question then, let's say I loaded my Turret with charging die, bullet seating die, and crimp die, and press also has lee safety primer system attached, and now I need to remove that turret, when I remove that turret, the Lee Auto Drum is still on? so Lee auto drum and Lee safety priming systems are still on the press attached with corner bolts each , correct?
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Posted: 7/25/2017 3:40:43 PM EDT
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Yes. You can just take it off unless you buy one for each turret. If you don't want the turret to rotate you can move it by hand when you are ready for the next stage.
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Posted: 8/1/2017 8:35:49 PM EDT
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one more question then, let's say I loaded my Turret with charging die, bullet seating die, and crimp die, and press also has lee safety primer system attached, and now I need to remove that turret, when I remove that turret, the Lee Auto Drum is still on? so Lee auto drum and Lee safety priming systems are still on the press attached with corner bolts each , correct? General comment on your proposed setup - you're buying a lot of gear to load plinking ammo. I use an Auto Disk to load plinking quality pistol rounds. I don't think the disk system offers enough adjustability to load accurate rifle ammo unles you luck out and one of the powder charges obtainable happens to lie in an accuracy node. You can do what you need with just a Lee Turret plus a better quality stand alone powder measure. 1. Turret position #1 to full length resize and cap. 2. Wet tumble brass. 3. Trim 4. Prime, either with hand primer or on press (open slot available on turret) 5. Charge off the press 6. Turret #2 to seat bullet 7. Turret #3 factory crimp This process would remove the auto index rod and run the press as a basic turret press indexing by hand. |
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